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  • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

    I'm thinking about ditching programming and goofing around with the computer in my spare time to read instead. After having (finally) completed Gödel Escher Bach, I am going to buy The Mind's I by the same author (Douglas Hofstadter). I think I've become intrigued by philosofy about the human mind. Does anybody have any more authors / specific books in this "genre"? Artificial intelligence is an area which is very much related to this, but it's not what I seek. I am seeking the philosophical aspects, and not the technical. To tell you the truth, I'm a bit fed up with technology in general. So.. if you have any tips, line them up! -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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    Andy Brummer
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    GEB is a great book. The Quark and the Jaguar covers some of the same concepts through the view of complexity theory, and more focued on simple physical examples. I think the concept of a phase transition has many more applications people commonly realize.

    My goal is to view code like a chessmaster views a chessboard.

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    • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

      I'm thinking about ditching programming and goofing around with the computer in my spare time to read instead. After having (finally) completed Gödel Escher Bach, I am going to buy The Mind's I by the same author (Douglas Hofstadter). I think I've become intrigued by philosofy about the human mind. Does anybody have any more authors / specific books in this "genre"? Artificial intelligence is an area which is very much related to this, but it's not what I seek. I am seeking the philosophical aspects, and not the technical. To tell you the truth, I'm a bit fed up with technology in general. So.. if you have any tips, line them up! -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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      JWood
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      Get a good agent in New York


      My neighbours think I am crazy - but they don't know that I have a trampoline. All they see my head bobbing up and down over the fence every five seconds

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      • A Andy Brummer

        GEB is a great book. The Quark and the Jaguar covers some of the same concepts through the view of complexity theory, and more focued on simple physical examples. I think the concept of a phase transition has many more applications people commonly realize.

        My goal is to view code like a chessmaster views a chessboard.

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        I also highly recommend Entanglement. It covers a completely seperate topic. The quantum theory of entanglement. But it is a really facinating read and the concepts in the book bring up their own set of philisophical issues. -Andy Brummer

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        • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

          I'm thinking about ditching programming and goofing around with the computer in my spare time to read instead. After having (finally) completed Gödel Escher Bach, I am going to buy The Mind's I by the same author (Douglas Hofstadter). I think I've become intrigued by philosofy about the human mind. Does anybody have any more authors / specific books in this "genre"? Artificial intelligence is an area which is very much related to this, but it's not what I seek. I am seeking the philosophical aspects, and not the technical. To tell you the truth, I'm a bit fed up with technology in general. So.. if you have any tips, line them up! -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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          You must have read this before cause its author is from Norway. I mean Jostein Gaarder. One of his book which maybe well known so much translated in farsi with Soofy World name (something like this). He say philosophical aspect with a story. Another book I really like by him is The Solitaire Mystery. Mazy "A bank is a place that will lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it." - Bob Hope

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          • R Roger Wright

            I highly recommend The Tao of Pooh.:-D [EDIT] I forgot to include an old favorite - The Duty of Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau. It should be required reading for every child with an IQ over room temperature. [/EDIT] Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
            you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...

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            Jorgen Sigvardsson
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            Roger Wright wrote: should be required reading for every child with an IQ over room temperature I suppose we're talking Fahrenheit..? Because in Celsius, you'll be recommending the book to people who cannot even breathe without machine support. :-D -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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            • R Rob Manderson

              Roger Wright wrote: with an IQ over room temperature Man, you're setting the bar a bit high ain't you? Or do you mean room temperature elsewhere than Bullhead City? :) Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003

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              Even in Centigrade ? :laugh: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                Even in Centigrade ? :laugh: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                Heh. I'm in the land of Fahrenheit :) and also in the land of 16 fl oz to the pint Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003

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                • J John Kuhn

                  How about John Searle's Minds, Brains and Science ? What a piece of work is man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable . . . and yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? -- Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

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                  Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                  I'll look it up. Thanks! -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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                    Another good story then, is Notes from the Underground... reading it is like picking at a scab, painful yet enjoyable. It is available on Project Gutenberg btw. :)
                    --- the work, which will become a new genre unto itself, will be called...

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                    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                    Is also a very nice album by Clan of Xymox[^]... :) -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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                    • J JWood

                      Get a good agent in New York


                      My neighbours think I am crazy - but they don't know that I have a trampoline. All they see my head bobbing up and down over the fence every five seconds

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                      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                      Is that the title of a book, or are you tell me to actually get a good agent in New York? ;) -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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                      • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                        I'm thinking about ditching programming and goofing around with the computer in my spare time to read instead. After having (finally) completed Gödel Escher Bach, I am going to buy The Mind's I by the same author (Douglas Hofstadter). I think I've become intrigued by philosofy about the human mind. Does anybody have any more authors / specific books in this "genre"? Artificial intelligence is an area which is very much related to this, but it's not what I seek. I am seeking the philosophical aspects, and not the technical. To tell you the truth, I'm a bit fed up with technology in general. So.. if you have any tips, line them up! -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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                        Marc Clifton
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                        "Man or Matter" by Ernst Lehrs "A Philosophy Of Freedom" by Rudolf Steiner (renamed Intuitive Thinking as a Spritual Path, for some reason) Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C#

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                          "Man or Matter" by Ernst Lehrs "A Philosophy Of Freedom" by Rudolf Steiner (renamed Intuitive Thinking as a Spritual Path, for some reason) Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C#

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                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                          Thank you! Every february in Sweden, there's something called "Book sell out" (freely translated). All book stores lower the prices and people buy books like crazy. Hopefully I'll find one of the titles mentioned in this thread. :cool: -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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                          • I Ian Darling

                            Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm thinking about ditching programming and goofing around with the computer in my spare time to read instead. I've been doing that the last year or so - I've rarely programmed outside work, although learning C# has dragged me back in somewhat :-) Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Gödel Escher Bach I've been thinking about getting that book. Is it worth the effort? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Does anybody have any more authors / specific books in this "genre" Hmmm. I'd say Robert Pirsig's Zen and The Art Of Motorcycle Maintainence, although I'm not sure if that's exactly in line with what you are looking for. It's certainly worth a read.


                            Ian Darling "One of the few systems...which has had “no deaths” in the reliability requirements." - Michael Platt

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                            Ian Darling wrote: Zen and The Art Of Motorcycle Maintainence Excellent book.


                            Software Zen: delete this;

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                            • R Roger Wright

                              Russian authors are so dark and depressing... Even their music makes me want to suicide sometimes. Haven't they ever had a happy time in their history? Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
                              you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...

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                              Gary R Wheeler
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                              I always liked what Virginia Heinlein (Robert Heinlein, the science fiction author's wife) had to say. She learned Russian, and read several Russian literary classics in the original. They were even more dark and depressing. It's as if the translators made an effort to lighten them up. :suss:


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                              • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                                Is that the title of a book, or are you tell me to actually get a good agent in New York? ;) -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.

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                                I don't know - it just sounded like the sort of thing to say to some asking about book publishing.


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                                • I Ian Darling

                                  Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm thinking about ditching programming and goofing around with the computer in my spare time to read instead. I've been doing that the last year or so - I've rarely programmed outside work, although learning C# has dragged me back in somewhat :-) Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Gödel Escher Bach I've been thinking about getting that book. Is it worth the effort? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Does anybody have any more authors / specific books in this "genre" Hmmm. I'd say Robert Pirsig's Zen and The Art Of Motorcycle Maintainence, although I'm not sure if that's exactly in line with what you are looking for. It's certainly worth a read.


                                  Ian Darling "One of the few systems...which has had “no deaths” in the reliability requirements." - Michael Platt

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                                  I happen to have just started re-reading Zen and the Art, and I would recommend it any time. I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning. - Aleister Crowley

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