What is it with everybody saying don't post to Programming Questions to the lounge?
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
I think most users do help if the question is more of a general development question or system problem. I have posted a few technical questions here below and have always had a polite and helpfull response. I think the problem comes from people posting questions when there are other suitable forums for them. Its a spam kind of thing, you dont want to be sifting through things which are not relevant in the forum, without the rule and the policing of the rule the forum would fill up with irrelevant posts. If people could get away with asking general questions over there, then this forum will fill up with them, and BAM the lounge will be no more. As for people monitoring the other forums, you can always find someone who constantly helps people on those forums, if I need to post I generally try and answer a few questions to even out the flow :o). I have seen some of the very impolite posts and I agree partially, they could be worded slightly nicer :-O - but the rule is a helpful one James Simpson Web Developer imebgo@hotmail.com P S - This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
Everything has its own place, here is not for programming so the CPains who comes here have the right, not to see it. At the same time they have the right, not to go to programming and answer questions although I belibe its not good and my first priorority here is first naswer to other programming questions then take a look at lounge and soapbox. Thats what I think,don't know about others. Mazy "A bank is a place that will lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it." - Bob Hope
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
I think it depends on your definition of "general". If something is specific to a language, it is NOT general and should go into the appropriate forum. However, I've seen truly general purpose questions (e.g., "Could you recommend a book on...", "Do you have any experience with this technology...") in the lounge and they tend to be received relatively well, in particular if they don't fit nicely into one of the other forums. Remember, even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
Most of the time the responses to programming questions are polite but occasionally they are downright rude which makes CP look kinda elitist. People forget that hundreds of new people join CP every day and to be flamed for posting a question in the wrong forum isn't going to inspire confidence is it? More likely that person will never post again - or, more importantly, make any positive contribution in the form of articles or helping others. Remember - courtesy costs nothing.
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I think it depends on your definition of "general". If something is specific to a language, it is NOT general and should go into the appropriate forum. However, I've seen truly general purpose questions (e.g., "Could you recommend a book on...", "Do you have any experience with this technology...") in the lounge and they tend to be received relatively well, in particular if they don't fit nicely into one of the other forums. Remember, even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
Navin wrote: in particular if they don't fit nicely into one of the other forums I've noticed that as well. Jeremy Falcon
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Most of the time the responses to programming questions are polite but occasionally they are downright rude which makes CP look kinda elitist. People forget that hundreds of new people join CP every day and to be flamed for posting a question in the wrong forum isn't going to inspire confidence is it? More likely that person will never post again - or, more importantly, make any positive contribution in the form of articles or helping others. Remember - courtesy costs nothing.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Most of the time the responses to programming questions are polite but occasionally they are downright rude which makes CP look kinda elitist. People forget that hundreds of new people join CP every day and to be flamed for posting a question in the wrong forum isn't going to inspire confidence is it? More likely that person will never post again - or, more importantly, make any positive contribution in the form of articles or helping others. Remember - courtesy costs nothing. This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's amazing how well a little bit of courtesy goes. I've been to other sites where courtesy wasn't extended and I don't go to those sites any more. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
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Everything has its own place, here is not for programming so the CPains who comes here have the right, not to see it. At the same time they have the right, not to go to programming and answer questions although I belibe its not good and my first priorority here is first naswer to other programming questions then take a look at lounge and soapbox. Thats what I think,don't know about others. Mazy "A bank is a place that will lend you money if you can prove that you don't need it." - Bob Hope
Mazdak wrote: my first priorority here is first naswer to other programming questions then take a look at lounge and soapbox. Thats what I think,don't know about others. Well said! I like this approach. I think I'll strive to do this much more. After all, this IS a programming site. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
WHAT!! WHAT!!! ANOTHER PROGRAMMING QUESTION ? :bang: :bang: WHOS NEXT ?? :bang: :bang: :smokeing gun: :goes back into the hole:
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
A more "polite" way to deal with questions is to not answer the question, but to pick out some part of the question and turn it into a discussion. If they ask a question on SQL, then go on some tangent about SQL annoyances and employment opportunities.
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Most of the time the responses to programming questions are polite but occasionally they are downright rude which makes CP look kinda elitist. People forget that hundreds of new people join CP every day and to be flamed for posting a question in the wrong forum isn't going to inspire confidence is it? More likely that person will never post again - or, more importantly, make any positive contribution in the form of articles or helping others. Remember - courtesy costs nothing.
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Most of the time the responses to programming questions are polite but occasionally they are downright rude which makes CP look kinda elitist. People forget that hundreds of new people join CP every day and to be flamed for posting a question in the wrong forum isn't going to inspire confidence is it? More likely that person will never post again - or, more importantly, make any positive contribution in the form of articles or helping others. Remember - courtesy costs nothing.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Remember - courtesy costs nothing. Except time and energy, which coincidentally, isn't nothing. But don't get me wrong, I believe courtesy should be used heavily, but that some people just lack the effort. -- Joel Lucsy
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
Nick Jacobs wrote: What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. Well, I don't have particularly strong feelings on the matter myself. However, civility is always a two way street. When you knowingly and intentionally disregard the rules of etiquette and courtesy here, you shouldn't be at all surprised when others follow your lead and display little regard for civility in their treatment of you. It's only natural. Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
It's a social experiment._
Q: How much is necessary to stop people from posting programming questions in the lounge.
_First it was almost funny: people who are supposed to have above-average technical intelligence overunning all stop signs put in place with happy ignoranceSome locals flipped, some enjoyed it, some watched. But the sides hardened, prototypical enemy images emerged, and it soon seemed to become an uneven war of the technocrats againt the ignorant: the tone got more harsh, elaborate schemes to weed out programming questions were proposed - and "elaborate" means exactl that: pushing technoloy to the limits. But the solution was simpler: social engineering. Stigmatize everybody who violates the rules of the group, and you are (mostly) done. Nick Jacobs wrote: how many of you actually monitor those other forums That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions.
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It's a social experiment._
Q: How much is necessary to stop people from posting programming questions in the lounge.
_First it was almost funny: people who are supposed to have above-average technical intelligence overunning all stop signs put in place with happy ignoranceSome locals flipped, some enjoyed it, some watched. But the sides hardened, prototypical enemy images emerged, and it soon seemed to become an uneven war of the technocrats againt the ignorant: the tone got more harsh, elaborate schemes to weed out programming questions were proposed - and "elaborate" means exactl that: pushing technoloy to the limits. But the solution was simpler: social engineering. Stigmatize everybody who violates the rules of the group, and you are (mostly) done. Nick Jacobs wrote: how many of you actually monitor those other forums That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions.
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mlog || Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions :laugh: Fantastic! BW CP Member Homepages
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It's a social experiment._
Q: How much is necessary to stop people from posting programming questions in the lounge.
_First it was almost funny: people who are supposed to have above-average technical intelligence overunning all stop signs put in place with happy ignoranceSome locals flipped, some enjoyed it, some watched. But the sides hardened, prototypical enemy images emerged, and it soon seemed to become an uneven war of the technocrats againt the ignorant: the tone got more harsh, elaborate schemes to weed out programming questions were proposed - and "elaborate" means exactl that: pushing technoloy to the limits. But the solution was simpler: social engineering. Stigmatize everybody who violates the rules of the group, and you are (mostly) done. Nick Jacobs wrote: how many of you actually monitor those other forums That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions.
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mlog || Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions. :omg: Damn, and to think I've been hanging around here because I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I've just gotta have a talk with my tour guide... Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
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Ok, I understand a valid reason for not posting hardcore programming questions to the general lounge (Like coding technique, how do I solve this particular problem, here's what I've got, why doesn't it work, etc. So let's begin there. But, so many times, and mostly in the last couple of months, it seems that people are getting down right nasty abot sending a response back to the person who does post here with general "Could be one person's programming question, could be another person's, hey, how What ever happened to the civility of the lounge. What I'm really talking about, are those kinds of questions that are of a very GENERAL nature. Mostly people looking for an opinion? And another thing, before those of you say "It doesn't matter, they should all be in other forums", how many of you actually monitor those other forums? I can honestly say I don't look at them nearly as much as I look at the lounge. Also, if you look at the churn for those other forums, they don't get nearly the amount of activity that this lounge does. So, how do I get my questions answered the fastest? Simple, ask my general questions here, and ask my detailed questions over there. Oh well, just a rant and obsevation. Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
I suspect that having established a culture of not asking programming questions in the lounge, and the site clearly telling people that, sometimes folks get over eager to respond to a question in that way. And I do my best to keep an eye on the forums where I can answer questions regularly. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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I suspect that having established a culture of not asking programming questions in the lounge, and the site clearly telling people that, sometimes folks get over eager to respond to a question in that way. And I do my best to keep an eye on the forums where I can answer questions regularly. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: I suspect that having established a culture of not asking programming questions in the lounge, I don't know. I've been around for a while now and have always seen _some_ sorts of programming questions in the lounge. It just seems that people are much more "Don't ask here" lately. More so in the last couple of months than in the last ~2.5 years I've been hanging around this place. Christian Graus wrote: And I do my best to keep an eye on the forums where I can answer questions regularly. Here, Here! Nick This are my own opinions. You know the rest.....
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peterchen wrote: That's exactly the point: We are in the Lounge because we don't want to be bothered with other peoples programming questions. :omg: Damn, and to think I've been hanging around here because I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I've just gotta have a talk with my tour guide... Christopher Duncan Today's Corporate Battle Tactic Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World
Christopher Duncan wrote: I heard there was free food and half price drinks during Happy Hour. I just hang around here to meet chicks. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small