ETA or Islamic terrorism
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Why should it be Islamic terrorism ? Does that make ETA Catholic terrorists ? Funny that... It could even be an extremist group opposed to ETA trying to swing things against the Basques before the election ? The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: Does that make ETA Catholic terrorists ? Funny that... Er, maybe because they have a nationalist agenda, not a primarily religious one. Ryan
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Juan Carlos Cobas wrote: ETA or Islamic terrorism The explosives used are the same as ETA uses. And they obviously tried to blow up the whole railway-station.:eek: jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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Juan Carlos Cobas wrote: ETA or Islamic terrorism The explosives used are the same as ETA uses. And they obviously tried to blow up the whole railway-station.:eek: jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
AFAIK, the explosives used in the attack are still being investigated by the police. Anyway, I believe ETA has commited the massacre. Besides Setp 11th, we have another 11th tragic day to count :((:((:((:((
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AFAIK, the explosives used in the attack are still being investigated by the police. Anyway, I believe ETA has commited the massacre. Besides Setp 11th, we have another 11th tragic day to count :((:((:((:((
Juan Carlos Cobas wrote: Besides Setp 11th, we have another 11th tragic day to count yes, and I am still checking if somebody I know was injuried. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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Trollslayer wrote: Does that make ETA Catholic terrorists ? Funny that... Er, maybe because they have a nationalist agenda, not a primarily religious one. Ryan
Except that, for some, it is important to find some way to blame most terrorism on religion (if it can be even remotely associated with Christianity) unless, or course, it actually is done in the name of religion (namely Islam). "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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Except that, for some, it is important to find some way to blame most terrorism on religion (if it can be even remotely associated with Christianity) unless, or course, it actually is done in the name of religion (namely Islam). "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
Religion can serve as both a convienient marker for 'the other' and as a way to justify murder. People who throw rocks at primary school children are not debating theology, but they are certainly objectifying the victims by labling them using shorthand like 'catholic'. As people tend to follow the religeon of their parents you can end up with a MCoy's vs Hatfield's feud that can span generations. At least that's today's choice of simplistic explinations for the Nothern Island (ex..)problem. With the Jehadi's it seems to be directly religeously inspired, pedal to the metal Iron Age god of war stuff. There is a surfit of slaughter in both the Bible and Quran. The fact that Mohamed was a bloody tyrant probably gives Islam a slight lead in the justifying murder stakes. Right, flame me, I dissed a prophet. Ryan
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I'm from Barcelona and beyond the origin of terrorism, terrorism is despicable in all of forms. I'm very disconsolate and solidary whith people of Madrid, a brutal attack against modest people, same that the 'first' world is doing in some points of the world. Shame for this despreciable 'people'. :((:((:((
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I'm from Barcelona and beyond the origin of terrorism, terrorism is despicable in all of forms. I'm very disconsolate and solidary whith people of Madrid, a brutal attack against modest people, same that the 'first' world is doing in some points of the world. Shame for this despreciable 'people'. :((:((:((
I agree... this is why I hate the term "suicide bomber". The bombers life deserves no recognition.. a better name would be homicide bomber or crimes against humanity. 60% of statistics are made up on the spot
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Religion can serve as both a convienient marker for 'the other' and as a way to justify murder. People who throw rocks at primary school children are not debating theology, but they are certainly objectifying the victims by labling them using shorthand like 'catholic'. As people tend to follow the religeon of their parents you can end up with a MCoy's vs Hatfield's feud that can span generations. At least that's today's choice of simplistic explinations for the Nothern Island (ex..)problem. With the Jehadi's it seems to be directly religeously inspired, pedal to the metal Iron Age god of war stuff. There is a surfit of slaughter in both the Bible and Quran. The fact that Mohamed was a bloody tyrant probably gives Islam a slight lead in the justifying murder stakes. Right, flame me, I dissed a prophet. Ryan
Ryan Roberts wrote: The fact that Mohamed was a bloody tyrant ... That is a little hard. He and his followers simply had a cultural background where mass murder of helpless victims was a perfectly valid behaviour for a gentleman. The high culture of islam came a few generations later, with the incorporation of the mesopotamic traditions into the mainly tribal arabic culture, resulting in the Caliphate of Baghdad. And please remember that our western ideals of fairness and compassion were coined by the troubadours as late as high to late medival. Christian kings like Charlemagne or Willam the conqueror had a great tradition of senseless and cruel (by any modern standards) slaugther. It were the troubadours, telling great tales of imaginary heros like , who changed the behavioural standards of the western knights (and this was subsequently copied by the emerging class of urban citizens).
"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising: and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation." -- Caius Petronius, Roman Consul, 66 A.D.
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Ryan Roberts wrote: The fact that Mohamed was a bloody tyrant ... That is a little hard. He and his followers simply had a cultural background where mass murder of helpless victims was a perfectly valid behaviour for a gentleman. The high culture of islam came a few generations later, with the incorporation of the mesopotamic traditions into the mainly tribal arabic culture, resulting in the Caliphate of Baghdad. And please remember that our western ideals of fairness and compassion were coined by the troubadours as late as high to late medival. Christian kings like Charlemagne or Willam the conqueror had a great tradition of senseless and cruel (by any modern standards) slaugther. It were the troubadours, telling great tales of imaginary heros like , who changed the behavioural standards of the western knights (and this was subsequently copied by the emerging class of urban citizens).
"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising: and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation." -- Caius Petronius, Roman Consul, 66 A.D.
jhwurmbach wrote: That is a little hard. He and his followers simply had a cultural background where mass murder of helpless victims was a perfectly valid behaviour for a gentleman. Agreed, I was not singling him out as a bloodthirsty Arab, rather as pretty much typical for the time. jhwurmbach wrote: The high culture of islam came a few generations later I believe the Persians and Berbers were less than enhusiastic about the whole Islam thing initialy.. the Bedioun were quite relectant about giving up the wine and sodomy too. Interestingly, the theology of some of the great intelectual figures of the golden age of Islam would be considered pretty suspect today by some. I guess diversity is easier to deal with in a confident society. The Prophets, too, among us come to teach, Are one with those who from the pulpit preach; They pray, and slay, and pass away, and yet Our ills are as the pebbles on the beach. al-Ma'arri (973-1057) http://members.tripod.com/scohel/page53.html[^] Ryan