We locked you up in jail for 25 years and you were innocent all along?
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jhaga wrote: In the last 25 years, 102 innocent people have been released from death row. Good thing we have safeguards, like appeals, etc. which allow the system to catch some mistakes. They were released, ie. did not get sentenced to death. BW CP Member Homepages
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brianwelsch wrote: which allow the system to catch some mistakes How many innocents did die though ? The tigress is here :-D
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That’ll be £80,000* please.... WHAT do you give someone who’s been proved innocent after spending the best part of their life behind bars, wrongfully convicted of a crime they didn’t commit?[^] Well, all I can say is that this is totally outrageous. There are no words strong enough to describe it. *£80,000 = US$144,000 or €116,000
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, all I can say is that this is totally outrageous. There are no words strong enough to describe it. If Blunkett was a Tory I would bet he would place a plastic bag oiver his head before his boyfriend arse fucked him. Do the Labour brigade have any of this perverted shit on the books. On Tuesday, Blunkett will fight in the Royal Courts of Justice in London for the right to charge victims of miscarriages of justice more than £3000 for every year they spent in jail while wrongly convicted. The logic is that the innocent man shouldn’t have been in prison eating free porridge and sleeping for nothing under regulation grey blankets. So can the people who were wrongly convicted and now charged board and lodging counter-sue for loss of wages? I mean this Blunkett wanker is saying that these people would have had to pay for food and housing and that is why he is charging them. But if they weren't in prison they would have had a job or at least been given unemployment benefits to achieve this. Do they get paid while in prison? Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
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brianwelsch wrote: which allow the system to catch some mistakes How many innocents did die though ? The tigress is here :-D
I couldn't find that number, but I would wager that there are significantly more families that have the murderer of their loved ones roaming free, than there are families who have an innocent family member executed. BW CP Member Homepages
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: What is wrong with the UK being in the EU? it blocks the european integration, even if it slowly evolves? (rejection of Schengen, Euroland, solidarity bigger towards the US than to the other EU members, denying for years the construction of an european defence...) There's a big misunderstanding between UK and most of the other members: UK wants a free trade zone and only that, when the others, since the Rome Treaty, seek for a biggest political integration.
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KaЯl wrote: There's a big misunderstanding between UK and most of the other members I would suggest that it is between "little Englanders"* and europe. Recent polls in show that Scotland is more welcoming of tighter integration with Europe (although the EU is pissing off Scottish fishermen so it's not winning any medals there) I for one would prefer to use the Euro, I would prefer to be signed up for the full Schengen agreement and be more close to Europe. I am broadly in support of a USE [United States of Europe] being formed. I am going to throw loads of roses on the EU however. The draft constitution has to be reduced to no more than 500 words IMO - the current 30,000 (I think) is way too much. * Those people who think that England, having lost its empire, is a now weak country in need of as much protection from its enemies (and it still has its historically blinkered view that the enemies are the centuries old ones in Europe) it can get.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, all I can say is that this is totally outrageous. There are no words strong enough to describe it. If Blunkett was a Tory I would bet he would place a plastic bag oiver his head before his boyfriend arse fucked him. Do the Labour brigade have any of this perverted shit on the books. On Tuesday, Blunkett will fight in the Royal Courts of Justice in London for the right to charge victims of miscarriages of justice more than £3000 for every year they spent in jail while wrongly convicted. The logic is that the innocent man shouldn’t have been in prison eating free porridge and sleeping for nothing under regulation grey blankets. So can the people who were wrongly convicted and now charged board and lodging counter-sue for loss of wages? I mean this Blunkett wanker is saying that these people would have had to pay for food and housing and that is why he is charging them. But if they weren't in prison they would have had a job or at least been given unemployment benefits to achieve this. Do they get paid while in prison? Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
Michael Martin wrote: the Labour brigade have any of this perverted sh*t on the books. None of the sexual stuff, but the Deputy Prime Minister did punch someone over a wall about 3 years ago.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
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KaЯl wrote: There's a big misunderstanding between UK and most of the other members I would suggest that it is between "little Englanders"* and europe. Recent polls in show that Scotland is more welcoming of tighter integration with Europe (although the EU is pissing off Scottish fishermen so it's not winning any medals there) I for one would prefer to use the Euro, I would prefer to be signed up for the full Schengen agreement and be more close to Europe. I am broadly in support of a USE [United States of Europe] being formed. I am going to throw loads of roses on the EU however. The draft constitution has to be reduced to no more than 500 words IMO - the current 30,000 (I think) is way too much. * Those people who think that England, having lost its empire, is a now weak country in need of as much protection from its enemies (and it still has its historically blinkered view that the enemies are the centuries old ones in Europe) it can get.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I would suggest that it is between "little Englanders"* and europe. I searched yesterday across the web and didn't find any data. Were polls made to evaluate how representative they are in UK? Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Recent polls in show that Scotland is more welcoming of tighter integration with Europe There's a strong nationalistic movement in Scotland, isn't it? Is this movemement pro- or anti-european? Another point, could it lead to a break with England? :confused: Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I am broadly in support of a USE [United States of Europe] being formed. :cool:! Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The draft constitution has to be reduced to no more than 500 words IMO - the current 30,000 (I think) is way too much. I totally agree, and I expect the first draft will be rejected by referedums across the UE. The simple the best.
Ashes to ashes, And clay to clay If the enemy doesn’t get you, Your own folk may
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I would suggest that it is between "little Englanders"* and europe. I searched yesterday across the web and didn't find any data. Were polls made to evaluate how representative they are in UK? Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Recent polls in show that Scotland is more welcoming of tighter integration with Europe There's a strong nationalistic movement in Scotland, isn't it? Is this movemement pro- or anti-european? Another point, could it lead to a break with England? :confused: Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I am broadly in support of a USE [United States of Europe] being formed. :cool:! Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The draft constitution has to be reduced to no more than 500 words IMO - the current 30,000 (I think) is way too much. I totally agree, and I expect the first draft will be rejected by referedums across the UE. The simple the best.
Ashes to ashes, And clay to clay If the enemy doesn’t get you, Your own folk may
KaЯl wrote: There's a strong nationalistic movement in Scotland, isn't it? It's a bit tide like - at the moment the SNP (Scottish National Party) have been doing worse in Elections - Their new leader is not so effective. KaЯl wrote: Is this movemement pro- or anti-european? The SNP themselves are pro-european. They have campaigned for Scotland to be treated as a separate country within the EU as Scotland consistently disagrees with what the London government negociates. The London Government says that Scotland should be greatful that they have such a strong voice fighting for them. Some anti-Europeans come up with the argument that we'd be ruled from a foreign country, but Scotland has been ruled by a foreign country for 297 years already so that argument doesn't make sense to me. The UK has an island view of Europe and there are two ways that this can go. (1) Become insular and cut off from the mainland, like the UK government would have us or (2) Do everything to stay in the main stream and join in and make sure that geography doesn't mean lagging behind, like Ireland. KaЯl wrote: Another point, could it lead to a break with England? Possibly. The SNP has already pointed out that Scotland could potentially switch to the Euro without the rest of the UK as the Scottish Parliament could mandate it. However it would mean that dealings with centralised government departments in London would become strained. For instance, consider the senario where I get paid in Euros, but I have to pay my taxes to London in Sterling. The history of the Act of Unions between Scotland and England is filled with scandal. Broadly the Scottish parliament in the early 1700s was against the idea, but the English government at the time sunk Scottish Merchant ships trading with the Americas, it bribed about a third of the representatives in the Scottish Parliament and it promised the moon on a string if Scotland were to agree to the Union.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
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KaЯl wrote: There's a strong nationalistic movement in Scotland, isn't it? It's a bit tide like - at the moment the SNP (Scottish National Party) have been doing worse in Elections - Their new leader is not so effective. KaЯl wrote: Is this movemement pro- or anti-european? The SNP themselves are pro-european. They have campaigned for Scotland to be treated as a separate country within the EU as Scotland consistently disagrees with what the London government negociates. The London Government says that Scotland should be greatful that they have such a strong voice fighting for them. Some anti-Europeans come up with the argument that we'd be ruled from a foreign country, but Scotland has been ruled by a foreign country for 297 years already so that argument doesn't make sense to me. The UK has an island view of Europe and there are two ways that this can go. (1) Become insular and cut off from the mainland, like the UK government would have us or (2) Do everything to stay in the main stream and join in and make sure that geography doesn't mean lagging behind, like Ireland. KaЯl wrote: Another point, could it lead to a break with England? Possibly. The SNP has already pointed out that Scotland could potentially switch to the Euro without the rest of the UK as the Scottish Parliament could mandate it. However it would mean that dealings with centralised government departments in London would become strained. For instance, consider the senario where I get paid in Euros, but I have to pay my taxes to London in Sterling. The history of the Act of Unions between Scotland and England is filled with scandal. Broadly the Scottish parliament in the early 1700s was against the idea, but the English government at the time sunk Scottish Merchant ships trading with the Americas, it bribed about a third of the representatives in the Scottish Parliament and it promised the moon on a string if Scotland were to agree to the Union.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
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Thanks for all these precisions, it's very interesting. You seem rather bitter about the Act of Union, don't you? :)
Ashes to ashes, And clay to clay If the enemy doesn’t get you, Your own folk may
KaЯl wrote: You seem rather bitter about the Act of Union, don't you? Well I didn't vote for it! And as a result all of England's enemies became Scotland's enemies so we lost a lot of allies (including the French) as a result.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
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FUCK FUCK FUCK! Outrageous! Who the fuck is that Blunkett, and why does he still have a job!? The guy who did the time should have £800,000 back - at least! Someone ought to make Blunkett do the 25 years. -- Futue te et ipsum caballum.
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KaЯl wrote: You seem rather bitter about the Act of Union, don't you? Well I didn't vote for it! And as a result all of England's enemies became Scotland's enemies so we lost a lot of allies (including the French) as a result.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
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I didn't think you hated pratts that much ! The tigress is here :-D
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