Killing a 68 yrs old man in a wheel chair?
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Even if you have some valid points, there no way they can be a justification to blow up women and children. By using violence, even to answer to violence, Palestinians are making for decades a terrible mistake. The best way to fight a democracy is Ghandi's way, that is non-violence. It would change dramatically the world's opinion on your cause, showing then Israel as the bad guys if they continue to use the same means. In the Bible there's a psalm saying "The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth". I would be surprized if the Quran didn't tell the same. You also believe Jesus was a prophet, right? So remember his words: "But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" Compare the results of the different struggles for liberation during the last century. Quiet each time violence and guerillas were used, it led when independence was acquired to another dictatorship, political violence and corruption.
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You have many good points there. The only thing is that, it they don't fight for their land, they will be forgotten by the world. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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what are you talking about,what about all the mascures the Israeli army did to all kind of people including women and children, or this is not counted as terrorism ,what about steeling palastinian houses every day,what do you expect from a man who suddenly find his home destroyed and an israeli is building a home for himeself instead,what would you do if you were in his shoe? do you think that palastineans and mouslims will not respond no we will respond and it says in the holy Quran,that we are not people of war ,we are people of peace but if you tried talking our freedom ,our home we will badly and strongly respond,no matter the price because if the price is your life ,you are going to heaven defending your religion any way ,it depends on what you hear ,you are from the pther part of the world and you dont know any of the truth regards D La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah
I just told you the whole truth you need to know. The other side are the Jews. The most battered nation in human history. Each and every one of them once in their life visits the Masada site and promises to set the price tag on every single jewish life and they fanatically follow this policy. You need new approach. Try peace. Tomaz
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Mr.Prakash wrote: If that is true, all the muslims who died during the war between iran and iraq must be in heaven... Sort of a win / win proposition, no? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
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You have many good points there. The only thing is that, it they don't fight for their land, they will be forgotten by the world. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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There is a word called Religon which ruin lifes when govermnets use it. Religous gevernment explain it as they want to force people do what they want. The think you say about war between Iran and Iraq is right, I don't know what they say in Iraq i that time but our government send young people to war by saying you will go to heaven, now which side go to heaven? They explain whatever they want by saying protect the religon. I can feel it with deep in my heart and I hate it. Fanatic is fanatic. Mazy "Man is different from animals in that he speculates, a high risk activity." - Edward Hoagland
Dont take this personally Mazy, Most of the muslim nations have a religious person who is sort of leader (I guess Iran has one too) When this Religious person mixes politics with faith then he tends to mislead ppl who are his followers.
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Fighting doesn't mandatory mean using violence, according to my comprehension of what a fight is.
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We should more often discuss what is the responsability of the media. If you have a peacefull demonstration it will be ignored by the media, but a bomb will never be ignored. That's why I have been saying that too much media hysteria about terrorism is as bad as terrorism itself. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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And when referring to yourself maybe the term "cock-jockey" would be appropriate? Dipshit
Rhys666 wrote: And when referring to yourself maybe the term "cock-jockey" would be appropriate? That would only in your twisted fantasies. If you're gonna come out on the board, that's fine, but I'm not bent that way. Rhys666 wrote: Dipshit Why did you sign your post with the term "Dipshit"? Maybe you have a self-esteem problem (and that would probably be the case if you're gay and think everyone else should be as well). Maybe you really are just a dipshit... ------- sig starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- sig ends
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Dont take this personally Mazy, Most of the muslim nations have a religious person who is sort of leader (I guess Iran has one too) When this Religious person mixes politics with faith then he tends to mislead ppl who are his followers.
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:omg:if the forum was not a pg forum I would have sent you a link that all would not enjoy,can any one tell me why,of course you are totaly controlled by media , well I got nothing to say , because of this more blood will be on the way , dig out more http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage Regards to all peace lovers :rose: La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah
That evil old bastard is burning in hell - which is where he should have been sent long ago. "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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DODO&Semsem wrote: it says in the holy Quran,that we are not people of war ,we are people of peace Too bad you people don't follow what is written. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
Mike Gaskey wrote: Too bad you people don't follow what is written. peace does not mean that we can sacrifce our rights and lands, it does not disallow fighting against occupation.
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Even if you have some valid points, there no way they can be a justification to blow up women and children. By using violence, even to answer to violence, Palestinians are making for decades a terrible mistake. The best way to fight a democracy is Ghandi's way, that is non-violence. It would change dramatically the world's opinion on your cause, showing then Israel as the bad guys if they continue to use the same means. In the Bible there's a psalm saying "The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth". I would be surprized if the Quran didn't tell the same. You also believe Jesus was a prophet, right? So remember his words: "But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" Compare the results of the different struggles for liberation during the last century. Quiet each time violence and guerillas were used, it led when independence was acquired to another dictatorship, political violence and corruption.
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KaЯl wrote: The best way to fight a democracy is Ghandi's way do you consider israel a democracy ?
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KaЯl wrote: The best way to fight a democracy is Ghandi's way do you consider israel a democracy ?
Don't you? Looks pretty democratic from where I'm sitting. Not many others in the region are there eh? When Iraq is a success - which will happen eventually - perhaps the idea of democracy will spread. Of course, there are many people in the regtion that are scared of this and I hope their days are numbered.
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:omg:if the forum was not a pg forum I would have sent you a link that all would not enjoy,can any one tell me why,of course you are totaly controlled by media , well I got nothing to say , because of this more blood will be on the way , dig out more http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage Regards to all peace lovers :rose: La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah
I for one am glad the old murderous bastard is dead. He had much innocent blood on his hands, regardless of his age or physical condition. The tactics employed by Israel may be heavy-handed, and they may leave a sour taste in many peoples mouths, but the majority of Israelis think the assasination of Yassin was a good thing and let's face it, they are in the firing line. I'm afraid that groups like Hamas only understand one thing - violence - and I think it's poor of many governments (including my own) to act as if Yassin was some kind of saint. His death should be welcomed and his successor should know they will soon be joining him. I will say this however - it is a very important point. Had the UK government adopted similar tactics to fight the IRA at the height of The Troubles - assasinating the likes of Gerry Adams, Martin McGuiness, etc. and bulldozing the houses of Catholic families related to terrorists - then we would of been total fucking pariahs in the eyes of the world - especially to the USA. The Palestinians need to take a leaf out of Ghandis book and adopt mass non-violent protest. The Israeli economy pretty much depends on their labour, so they could deal a serious blow without hurting anyone. And who is the world more likely to side with? The peaceful protestors sitting down in front of tanks or the Israeli army?
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You have many good points there. The only thing is that, it they don't fight for their land, they will be forgotten by the world. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
They will have more support and respect if they adopt a peaceful struggle - right now the likes of Hamas are setting back the Palestinian cause decades.
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KaЯl wrote: The best way to fight a democracy is Ghandi's way do you consider israel a democracy ?
Israel has a constitution, a parliament freely elected by its citizen. It also respects the separation of Legislative, Executive and Judiciary powers. So I don't see why we should consider Israel as not a democracy? :confused:
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You tell me something that I live all of my life with it in my country. Its really disgusting, I'm glad that I'm not religous. Mazy "Man is different from animals in that he speculates, a high risk activity." - Edward Hoagland
Mazdak wrote: I'm glad that I'm not religous "A man without a religion is like a fish without a bicycle". ;)
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:omg:if the forum was not a pg forum I would have sent you a link that all would not enjoy,can any one tell me why,of course you are totaly controlled by media , well I got nothing to say , because of this more blood will be on the way , dig out more http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage Regards to all peace lovers :rose: La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah
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DODO&Semsem wrote: or this is not counted as terrorism Of course it isn't terrorism, it's simply retaliation. There is a big difference. Regardz Colin J Davies
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No idea, I'd have probably argued that it's pretty damn obvious that not all Muslims are people of peace and that that particular statement was a crock, otherwise Osama Bin Ladin et al wouldn't exist. Thanks for the appreciation of my explaining the vote though, it bloody annoying when someone doesn't isn't it?
Rhys666 said: I'd have probably argued that it's pretty damn obvious that not all Muslims are people of peace and that that particular statement was a crock of course not all mouslims are people of peace as not all christians are people of peace and not all Israelis are criminals or ealse there would not have been Israelis that does not approve with the pig Sharon's acts La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah
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You're right - that could mean anyone. He meant to say "towel-head". An alternative term would be "camel-jockey". I was wondering how long it would be before someone brought up the Nazis. Personally, I'm fed up with the nonsense going on in the middle east, and I think someone should just bulldoze the whole fucking place and start from scratch. ------- sig starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- sig ends
why don't we just bulldoze your ho;e fucken country along with your baby Israel and start from the scratch,how many times do I have to explain ,well I did my best and I gave it a try ,of course you are blinded by the media the Israeli does ,notice that I did not say Jwes ,I belive in Moses "Pease be upon him" and I dont think you know a single arab so don't judge a book by it;s tiltle which is brought to you from an un reliable source ,please when you know something talk about it if you dont so please try to dig it out first,and who are you to judge a place as historic as the middle east ,when your country is 300 yrs old,mine is 4000 yrs old ,I have roots here in the middle east do you have roots back in your country ,why doesn't the french says the same,why is America controlled by Xionist Jews,and many people doubted the hollowcoast well I tried my best La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah
