When do you think IE will support locally ASP without PWS or IIS?
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I wasn't sure whether this should be a programming question or not so please don't flame me... I know the policies. I was just wondering when/if we'll be able to have ASP support on a local client without the need of IIS or PWS installed.... Thanks,
IIS 5.0 comes free with Win2K. So what's the need for a free web server integrated inside IE? Nish
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I wasn't sure whether this should be a programming question or not so please don't flame me... I know the policies. I was just wondering when/if we'll be able to have ASP support on a local client without the need of IIS or PWS installed.... Thanks,
Dino Esposito already done it... Furor fit laesa saepius patientia
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Dino Esposito already done it... Furor fit laesa saepius patientia
A Client-side ASP Object Model isn't exactly what Matt was suggesting, But I guess if it works then its a solution. Dino Sure is one clever dude. Regardz Colin J Davies colin@vmtu.com
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
Bring back the EMBED tag
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I wasn't sure whether this should be a programming question or not so please don't flame me... I know the policies. I was just wondering when/if we'll be able to have ASP support on a local client without the need of IIS or PWS installed.... Thanks,
Why would you want this functionality? Michael :-)
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Why would you want this functionality? Michael :-)
I think he wants to do ASP without a web server. I wonder whether someone will now ask for DB capabilities in IE so we can do without SQL server and Oracle Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain
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I wasn't sure whether this should be a programming question or not so please don't flame me... I know the policies. I was just wondering when/if we'll be able to have ASP support on a local client without the need of IIS or PWS installed.... Thanks,
ASP without a web server. Er, Active Server Pages without the Active Server? Right. In answer to your question: never. It would not be practical, nor useful. David Wulff, Founder of The BLA dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com New's flash - Bob caught in kitchen incident.
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I think he wants to do ASP without a web server. I wonder whether someone will now ask for DB capabilities in IE so we can do without SQL server and Oracle Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain
I still don't see why. Surely ASP without a web server is a pointless exercise, it would be simplier to create a Win32 Application using VB or MFC? Michael :-)
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I wasn't sure whether this should be a programming question or not so please don't flame me... I know the policies. I was just wondering when/if we'll be able to have ASP support on a local client without the need of IIS or PWS installed.... Thanks,
I suppose I'll reply to myself then rather than try to answer the same basic reply from everyone... maybe I should have given more information but I didn't want it to become a programming question. Anyway, we are developing a very large scale web application. I've "complained" about it on here before because it has no business being a web application but sometimes you do what the client wants... Anyway, the application has to run in Online mode (from a webfarm of IIS 5.0 Servers running on Windows 2000 Advanced Server). However, it ALSO has to run in "Offline" mode. This is because the application has to function in an environment where internet access may be available in the office, but not everywhere the application has to go (on laptops). When online the application is fully functional. Among other things the application retrieves data while online to work offline if necessary. When offline, the application can do most of the same things as long as the user first retrieved certain necessary data (stored as XML) while onlne. (Breath) In order to provide as much functionality as possible in either situation, we decided to write the application in such that the application would know whether it was online or offline.... which allows us to just write the application ONCE without tons of special rules to allow it to still funciton without being connected to a server.... and as you have all pointed out, ASP without a server doesn't happen which is my whole point. PWS is crap and doesn't even support Windows ME out of the box (it's very difficult to install on ME). IIS is hugely bloated and by installing it on a client's machine not only puts a tremendous strain on what's likely not going to be a very powerful computer, it opens that computer up to all these new viruses floating around and makes the people we're supporting all of a sudden have to try and keep up with Microsoft "Hotfixes" and all that nonsense to continually try and keep their computers up. Also, it makes these "client" laptops available as a website while internet connected which is not the intention at all. So, I guess what I need is the ability to interpret and run ASP pages WITHOUT a server. Thanks, Matt Philmon
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I suppose I'll reply to myself then rather than try to answer the same basic reply from everyone... maybe I should have given more information but I didn't want it to become a programming question. Anyway, we are developing a very large scale web application. I've "complained" about it on here before because it has no business being a web application but sometimes you do what the client wants... Anyway, the application has to run in Online mode (from a webfarm of IIS 5.0 Servers running on Windows 2000 Advanced Server). However, it ALSO has to run in "Offline" mode. This is because the application has to function in an environment where internet access may be available in the office, but not everywhere the application has to go (on laptops). When online the application is fully functional. Among other things the application retrieves data while online to work offline if necessary. When offline, the application can do most of the same things as long as the user first retrieved certain necessary data (stored as XML) while onlne. (Breath) In order to provide as much functionality as possible in either situation, we decided to write the application in such that the application would know whether it was online or offline.... which allows us to just write the application ONCE without tons of special rules to allow it to still funciton without being connected to a server.... and as you have all pointed out, ASP without a server doesn't happen which is my whole point. PWS is crap and doesn't even support Windows ME out of the box (it's very difficult to install on ME). IIS is hugely bloated and by installing it on a client's machine not only puts a tremendous strain on what's likely not going to be a very powerful computer, it opens that computer up to all these new viruses floating around and makes the people we're supporting all of a sudden have to try and keep up with Microsoft "Hotfixes" and all that nonsense to continually try and keep their computers up. Also, it makes these "client" laptops available as a website while internet connected which is not the intention at all. So, I guess what I need is the ability to interpret and run ASP pages WITHOUT a server. Thanks, Matt Philmon
Also, it makes these "client" laptops available as a website while internet connected which is not the intention at all. No it wouldn't. First they’d need to be connected to the Internet somehow (I know, I'm being pedantic ;)), but you can also use the Internet Services Manager snap in to remove the default website in one easy step. (i.e. "Select... Delete"). Makes the people we're supporting all of a sudden have to try and keep up with Microsoft "Hotfixes" and all that nonsense to continually try and keep their computers up. Err... I would hope you’d recommend this to them regardless of the platform or software. Anyway, ASP would be a bad choice for the offline 'version' as it just wasn't designed for that kind of environment, and it really isn't worth the hassle. If you can be sure the end users will have IE5.x and MSXML 2.x or later, you should be able to write the application in straight HTML and JScript (keep clear of VBScript -- it is s..l..o..w), and have most of the functionality it seems you would need. If you need additional 'features' such as database access, etc, you can always write/use ActiveX controls. You could use this solution for both online and offline operation. However, if you are absolutely positive you cannot accomplish the task like that, you could always use PHP. You can run that with pretty much any webserver, including IIS and PWS, and/or you can write your own basic server, and if you know ASP you are three quarters of the way to knowing PHP. I don’t know –maybe it’s just me – but I’d feel uneasy using a webserver just to run a local application. It just doesn’t seem the “correct” way of doing things. David Wulff, Founder of The BLA dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com New's flash - Bob caught in kitchen incident.
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I suppose I'll reply to myself then rather than try to answer the same basic reply from everyone... maybe I should have given more information but I didn't want it to become a programming question. Anyway, we are developing a very large scale web application. I've "complained" about it on here before because it has no business being a web application but sometimes you do what the client wants... Anyway, the application has to run in Online mode (from a webfarm of IIS 5.0 Servers running on Windows 2000 Advanced Server). However, it ALSO has to run in "Offline" mode. This is because the application has to function in an environment where internet access may be available in the office, but not everywhere the application has to go (on laptops). When online the application is fully functional. Among other things the application retrieves data while online to work offline if necessary. When offline, the application can do most of the same things as long as the user first retrieved certain necessary data (stored as XML) while onlne. (Breath) In order to provide as much functionality as possible in either situation, we decided to write the application in such that the application would know whether it was online or offline.... which allows us to just write the application ONCE without tons of special rules to allow it to still funciton without being connected to a server.... and as you have all pointed out, ASP without a server doesn't happen which is my whole point. PWS is crap and doesn't even support Windows ME out of the box (it's very difficult to install on ME). IIS is hugely bloated and by installing it on a client's machine not only puts a tremendous strain on what's likely not going to be a very powerful computer, it opens that computer up to all these new viruses floating around and makes the people we're supporting all of a sudden have to try and keep up with Microsoft "Hotfixes" and all that nonsense to continually try and keep their computers up. Also, it makes these "client" laptops available as a website while internet connected which is not the intention at all. So, I guess what I need is the ability to interpret and run ASP pages WITHOUT a server. Thanks, Matt Philmon
PWS is crap and doesn't even support Windows ME out of the box (it's very difficult to install on ME). Nah, I had Windows ME, and I installed PWS (from some NT Option Pack or something), no hacks required. So, I guess what I need is the ability to interpret and run ASP pages WITHOUT a server. Can't you just cache the XML somewhere? I guess if you can get your users to run web servers, you sure can get them to store an XML file. You could also use the userData behavior to store XML on the client. And have you considered ActiveX controls? A web server would be pretty radical in your case, and either userData or ActiveX can fulfill your needs IMHO.
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