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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Todo lists keep track of the tedious or boring shit that has to be done but isn't getting done now as you have something better to do. If you don't list it you will forget it (probably on purpose) and if it isn't done you could get fired. Not everyone works for themsleves and some have dependants so can't just get on with the Lounge and fuck the consequences. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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If I don't write some things down, in a to do list or somewhere else, I just forget about them. So to do lists can actually be a good thing, they help me remember my good ideas when working on larger projects. ;P - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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If I don't write some things down, in a to do list or somewhere else, I just forget about them. So to do lists can actually be a good thing, they help me remember my good ideas when working on larger projects. ;P - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
Anders I appreciate the sincerity of your post, but I must argue with you, If you have something to do, do it. Good start posting your reply, you did it. As a child my parents would not let me leave the table until I was finished eating my vegetables, maybe your parents did the same to you. :-) And work is similar if you have a big project do it, don't spend your time procrastinatingn and talking about the project do it. I understand with a larger project that you have many things to do, this is natural, maybe my advice should be, don't show your to do list to your project manager, who in turn will attempt to organise you and waste your time in sensless meetings, and even worse attempt to prioritise your work schedule. Good luck. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I love lists =) I use them to get organized and they've saved my tushie more than once. OT, I would pay good money for a good hierarchical, loosely project oriented to-do list/task organizer that is not as big as Outlook and works on both my desktop and my iPaq to a certain extent. ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
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Anders I appreciate the sincerity of your post, but I must argue with you, If you have something to do, do it. Good start posting your reply, you did it. As a child my parents would not let me leave the table until I was finished eating my vegetables, maybe your parents did the same to you. :-) And work is similar if you have a big project do it, don't spend your time procrastinatingn and talking about the project do it. I understand with a larger project that you have many things to do, this is natural, maybe my advice should be, don't show your to do list to your project manager, who in turn will attempt to organise you and waste your time in sensless meetings, and even worse attempt to prioritise your work schedule. Good luck. Regardz Colin J Davies
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But sometimes what you want to do depends on some other work. For example, you are writing a class that interacts with another class. If the other class is not ready yet, using a TODO list saves you from forgetting many things Hope you are convinced ;P ;P ;P Kind regards Mustafa Demirhan
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I love lists =) I use them to get organized and they've saved my tushie more than once. OT, I would pay good money for a good hierarchical, loosely project oriented to-do list/task organizer that is not as big as Outlook and works on both my desktop and my iPaq to a certain extent. ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
When I saw your name replying to my message, I thought here is somebody with a good solid germanic name, they will most certainly be in full support of me :-) But No :(( I was wrong. Maybe you are only of germanic heritage and not a German person of Europe, I don't know. It is wrong for me to make assumtions of a persons work ethics or to generalise based on there names. So I apologise. But you Klaus are the opposite of what I know of German engineering, Germans bulid machines that work and work well, they are famous for this, even though the same machines are well over engineered and often ugly. German people do not have lists that they work to, they work, they get things done. Everywhere you go in Germany all the machines work, not like France for example ! I see, I will never convince you, not with your lists, I am surprised you replied to my message and didn't put it on another to do list. I sincerly hope you and your iPaq with its lists will be happy. BTW: Do you know Cinda Hallman at all ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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But sometimes what you want to do depends on some other work. For example, you are writing a class that interacts with another class. If the other class is not ready yet, using a TODO list saves you from forgetting many things Hope you are convinced ;P ;P ;P Kind regards Mustafa Demirhan
Hope you are convinced No No NO, To do lists are terrible things that I believe should be used as little as possible. When I go to the Supermarket Mustafa, I never make a shopping list. I go to the supermarket and I buy things if I forget something it only teaches me that I should be more thoughtful. If I write a class that interacts with another class, I do it, I don't write a to do list. If I were to forget something whilst doing it, It shows me that I don't really know what I am doing and must improve my knowledge and skills ! Hope you are convinced;P ;P ;P Regardz Colin J Davies
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When I saw your name replying to my message, I thought here is somebody with a good solid germanic name, they will most certainly be in full support of me :-) But No :(( I was wrong. Maybe you are only of germanic heritage and not a German person of Europe, I don't know. It is wrong for me to make assumtions of a persons work ethics or to generalise based on there names. So I apologise. But you Klaus are the opposite of what I know of German engineering, Germans bulid machines that work and work well, they are famous for this, even though the same machines are well over engineered and often ugly. German people do not have lists that they work to, they work, they get things done. Everywhere you go in Germany all the machines work, not like France for example ! I see, I will never convince you, not with your lists, I am surprised you replied to my message and didn't put it on another to do list. I sincerly hope you and your iPaq with its lists will be happy. BTW: Do you know Cinda Hallman at all ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin, But No I was wrong. Er, could it be that you hate the people who force the lists upon your hapless person, rather than the lists themselves? Have you analyzed this aversion of yours before posting to the Lounge? Noooo. Maybe you are only of germanic heritage and not a German person of Europe, I don't know. 50% German, 50% Mexican (2nd generation French-Spanish). It is wrong for me to make assumtions of a persons work ethics or to generalise based on there names. So I apologise. That's... OK...? But you Klaus are the opposite of what I know of German engineering, Germans bulid machines that work and work well, they are famous for this, even though the same machines are well over engineered and often ugly. German people do not have lists that they work to, they work, they get things done. Everywhere you go in Germany all the machines work, not like France for example ! Sniff. You are truly a poet Colin :) This is a truly moving tribute to my distinguished ancestors. If only they could rise out of their musky graves and take up MFC... I see, I will never convince you, not with your lists, I am surprised you replied to my message and didn't put it on another to do list. Oh, that's OK, I had time! I sincerly hope you and your iPaq with its lists will be happy. We shall keep you updated in our progress :laugh: ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
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When I saw your name replying to my message, I thought here is somebody with a good solid germanic name, they will most certainly be in full support of me :-) But No :(( I was wrong. Maybe you are only of germanic heritage and not a German person of Europe, I don't know. It is wrong for me to make assumtions of a persons work ethics or to generalise based on there names. So I apologise. But you Klaus are the opposite of what I know of German engineering, Germans bulid machines that work and work well, they are famous for this, even though the same machines are well over engineered and often ugly. German people do not have lists that they work to, they work, they get things done. Everywhere you go in Germany all the machines work, not like France for example ! I see, I will never convince you, not with your lists, I am surprised you replied to my message and didn't put it on another to do list. I sincerly hope you and your iPaq with its lists will be happy. BTW: Do you know Cinda Hallman at all ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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Oh.. BTW: Do you know Cinda Hallman at all ? Who??? ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
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Colin, But No I was wrong. Er, could it be that you hate the people who force the lists upon your hapless person, rather than the lists themselves? Have you analyzed this aversion of yours before posting to the Lounge? Noooo. Maybe you are only of germanic heritage and not a German person of Europe, I don't know. 50% German, 50% Mexican (2nd generation French-Spanish). It is wrong for me to make assumtions of a persons work ethics or to generalise based on there names. So I apologise. That's... OK...? But you Klaus are the opposite of what I know of German engineering, Germans bulid machines that work and work well, they are famous for this, even though the same machines are well over engineered and often ugly. German people do not have lists that they work to, they work, they get things done. Everywhere you go in Germany all the machines work, not like France for example ! Sniff. You are truly a poet Colin :) This is a truly moving tribute to my distinguished ancestors. If only they could rise out of their musky graves and take up MFC... I see, I will never convince you, not with your lists, I am surprised you replied to my message and didn't put it on another to do list. Oh, that's OK, I had time! I sincerly hope you and your iPaq with its lists will be happy. We shall keep you updated in our progress :laugh: ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
Er, could it be that you hate the people who force the lists upon your hapless person, rather than the lists themselves? Have you analyzed this aversion of yours before posting to the Lounge? Noooo. Good assumption Klaus, but incorrect. In my old age now I am self-employed, I will tolerate being on someones list. :-) They might ask me to come to a meeting, :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Hope you are convinced No No NO, To do lists are terrible things that I believe should be used as little as possible. When I go to the Supermarket Mustafa, I never make a shopping list. I go to the supermarket and I buy things if I forget something it only teaches me that I should be more thoughtful. If I write a class that interacts with another class, I do it, I don't write a to do list. If I were to forget something whilst doing it, It shows me that I don't really know what I am doing and must improve my knowledge and skills ! Hope you are convinced;P ;P ;P Regardz Colin J Davies
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Well, if programming is as simple as shopping you are COMPLETELY right. ;) But I dont think that circulating around a 40,000 line code would be as easy as buying some corn-flakes in a supermarket :(( Also, if you forgot to buy your corn-flakes, you can eat some cheese for the breakfast. But this is not the case for my classes (may be your classes are clever enough to cover your mistakes, but mine are just dubm classes) ;P ;P ;P Kind regards Mustafa Demirhan
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I checked your Bio and saw you worked at Spherion, Someone else I know of is involved with a company called Spherion. Maybe another Spherion company, Don't worry I've crossed my connections up again ! Hey maybe I should make an addresss list, No No No, :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Er, could it be that you hate the people who force the lists upon your hapless person, rather than the lists themselves? Have you analyzed this aversion of yours before posting to the Lounge? Noooo. Good assumption Klaus, but incorrect. In my old age now I am self-employed, I will tolerate being on someones list. :-) They might ask me to come to a meeting, :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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To Do : 1. Get Colin a life. 2. Get Colin a life outside of Golf 3. Get Colin a new pen and 'ToDo' list pad. 4. Get Colin. ----------------------------- "I leave no turn un-stoned. " - John Simmons, Nov 6 2001 -----------------------------
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I checked your Bio and saw you worked at Spherion, Someone else I know of is involved with a company called Spherion. Maybe another Spherion company, Don't worry I've crossed my connections up again ! Hey maybe I should make an addresss list, No No No, :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Ah. OK. I was getting worried there :) ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
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Er, could it be that you hate the people who force the lists upon your hapless person, rather than the lists themselves? Have you analyzed this aversion of yours before posting to the Lounge? Noooo. Good assumption Klaus, but incorrect. In my old age now I am self-employed, I will tolerate being on someones list. :-) They might ask me to come to a meeting, :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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1.- I 2.- See 3.- Now 4.- OK 5.- :) ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
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Ah. OK. I was getting worried there :) ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
Klaus, I found this truly amazing search engine called Google ? :-) I typed in Spherion Cinda Hallamn :-) and it gave me this link http://www.itworld.com/Career/1918/CWD010411STO59519/ Amazing thing search engines, Now I remember thats why I don't need an address book! :-) Then I typed in Spherion Klaus Probst and it gave me this link http://www.vbpj.com/upload/free/features/vbpj/2001/bg0104/dat0104/dat2_0104.asp And I find out you are a published chap, Well done even if you are a to do list chap. So I then typed in the box Spherion Technology Architects and it gave me this link http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Spherion+Technology+Architects&btnG=Google+Search Same company ! (amazing thing these searh engines) Must be a big company with lots of meetings and To DO lists and you never get to meet anyone, :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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The real benefit of a ToDo list for me is when I am in the middle of a project or demanding task and I get requests from various people to do this or that. Things which I cannot do at the time of asking and things which are sure to be forgotten unless I put it on a to do list. Bigger issues should be in the project plan, not on a to do list. Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. We should publish their names and yell Aussie, Kiwi, South African humour all day at them. hehe and yes I do do project management so yes I like to do lists and unorganised developers ;) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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The real benefit of a ToDo list for me is when I am in the middle of a project or demanding task and I get requests from various people to do this or that. Things which I cannot do at the time of asking and things which are sure to be forgotten unless I put it on a to do list. Bigger issues should be in the project plan, not on a to do list. hehe and yes I do do project management so yes I like to do lists and unorganised developers ;) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Kind of ironic that you signed up your email on CP, in so doing didn’t you enable it to send you a TODO list of flames to respond to ;) Ben Burnett "It's all absolutely devastatingly true -- except the bits that are lies" - Douglas Adams