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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Kind of ironic that you signed up your email on CP, in so doing didn’t you enable it to send you a TODO list of flames to respond to ;) Ben Burnett "It's all absolutely devastatingly true -- except the bits that are lies" - Douglas Adams
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Kind of ironic that you signed up your email on CP, in so doing didn’t you enable it to send you a TODO list of flames to respond to ;) Ben Burnett "It's all absolutely devastatingly true -- except the bits that are lies" - Douglas Adams
_Kind of ironic that you signed up your email on CP, in so doing didn’t you enable it to send you a TODO list of flames to respond to . _[Colin] scratches head. You sound like a blo*dy mainlander ! I get enough Spam without worrying about Flames, 3 indecipherable Chinese Spam messages every day now :mad: not that I have anything against Chinese but I can't tell if they are giving me a tech update or selling medicine to make my old fellow grow, :-) Back on topic, Oh I don't understand your message, there's something missing in the grammer. (or maybe its me) Responding to flames privatly is a waste of time, I'd much prefer to be held up to public ridicule and post in public with my full name. :-) Interesting enough programming use to be sequential just like a To Do list. Now we use messaging and we multitask our applications, so if OS developers can move forward so can us plebic developers in our personal lives. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Well, if programming is as simple as shopping you are COMPLETELY right. ;) But I dont think that circulating around a 40,000 line code would be as easy as buying some corn-flakes in a supermarket :(( Also, if you forgot to buy your corn-flakes, you can eat some cheese for the breakfast. But this is not the case for my classes (may be your classes are clever enough to cover your mistakes, but mine are just dubm classes) ;P ;P ;P Kind regards Mustafa Demirhan
Well, if programming is as simple as shopping you are COMPLETELY right Food for thought :-) But I dont think that circulating around a 40,000 line code would be as easy as buying some corn-flakes in a supermarket Glad to hear you like cornflakes also :-) Also, if you forgot to buy your corn-flakes, you can eat some cheese for the breakfast. Hey we have agreement I lke cheese to ! :-) our opinion are not so far apart after all. But this is not the case for my classes (may be your classes are clever enough to cover your mistakes, but mine are just dubm classes) Ok now we disagree first of, I believe you misspelt "dumb" as "dubm", I won't be pendantic about it since I'm not your English teacher, but never the less it is a syntax error and your code will not compile if you do that. I don't know your classes so I can't make a comparrison with mine, and I admit to making mistakes and doing some real bad code production at times (quite often actually). But i believe Mustafa my fellow brother coder that you are missing my point entirely. When you have something to do, do it, don't spend your life procrastinating about it. Maybe you should consider just doing the documentation first to make your life simpler. Don't worry at all first whether your application will run. What I'm really against Mustafa, is the to do lists that are held from one day to the next or which reach a project managers desk. Of course it's easier to do tasks in sequence. But wouldn't you like to do your job and then have fun for the rest of the day, like the expression, "Play hard, work hard". Unfortunatly I believe the institution of to do lists these days, now has meant that programmers are always working or attending meetings. Rather than getting the job done. So often we buy on emotion and then justify our decisions unfortunatly with logic. :-) Have a good day or night, whatever your timezone ! Regardz Colin J Davies
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The real benefit of a ToDo list for me is when I am in the middle of a project or demanding task and I get requests from various people to do this or that. Things which I cannot do at the time of asking and things which are sure to be forgotten unless I put it on a to do list. Bigger issues should be in the project plan, not on a to do list. hehe and yes I do do project management so yes I like to do lists and unorganised developers ;) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
As you posted a similar well worded post twice, I see your To Do list is hectic ! :-) Bigger issues should be in the project plan, not on a to do list. At last some agreement, I can visualise the S.A software industry going ahead in leaps and bounds now. Now the big questions :- Whats your Sonork:ID Paul ? How is S.A. playing I can get TV coverage here. :(( Regardz Colin J Davies
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The real benefit of a ToDo list for me is when I am in the middle of a project or demanding task and I get requests from various people to do this or that. Things which I cannot do at the time of asking and things which are sure to be forgotten unless I put it on a to do list. Bigger issues should be in the project plan, not on a to do list. hehe and yes I do do project management so yes I like to do lists and unorganised developers ;) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
As you posted a similar well worded post twice, I see your To Do list is hectic ! :-) Bigger issues should be in the project plan, not on a to do list. At last some agreement, I can visualise the S.A software industry going ahead in leaps and bounds now. Now the big questions :- Whats your Sonork:ID Paul ? How is S.A. playing I can't get TV coverage here. :(( Regardz Colin J Davies
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Kind of ironic that you signed up your email on CP, in so doing didn’t you enable it to send you a TODO list of flames to respond to ;) Ben Burnett "It's all absolutely devastatingly true -- except the bits that are lies" - Douglas Adams
Oh, Ok I understand now, LOL silly me ! :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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As you posted a similar well worded post twice, I see your To Do list is hectic ! :-) Bigger issues should be in the project plan, not on a to do list. At last some agreement, I can visualise the S.A software industry going ahead in leaps and bounds now. Now the big questions :- Whats your Sonork:ID Paul ? How is S.A. playing I can't get TV coverage here. :(( Regardz Colin J Davies
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As you posted a similar well worded post twice, I see your To Do list is hectic ! *scratches my head* oops :-O At last some agreement, I can visualise the S.A software industry going ahead in leaps and bounds now While our government does everything in it's power to cock things up we stride forward... next thing you know I will be using C++! :-D Whats your Sonork:ID Paul ? Errrr it is: Null... :) No Sonork yet. Just installed XP and already have *cough* MSN Messenger *cough* and ICQ installed. What I really want is an IM that can talk to all the other major IMs. Half my contacts are on *spit* MSN Messenger *spit* and the other half are on ICQ. Running both is a pain. How is S.A. playing I can't get TV coverage here. Muwahahaha! Poor Indians got a bit of a thrashing. Shaun Pollock pulled off a ten (10) wicket haul! Wooohooo. Final result was: nine wicket win Go SA! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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As you posted a similar well worded post twice, I see your To Do list is hectic ! *scratches my head* oops :-O At last some agreement, I can visualise the S.A software industry going ahead in leaps and bounds now While our government does everything in it's power to cock things up we stride forward... next thing you know I will be using C++! :-D Whats your Sonork:ID Paul ? Errrr it is: Null... :) No Sonork yet. Just installed XP and already have *cough* MSN Messenger *cough* and ICQ installed. What I really want is an IM that can talk to all the other major IMs. Half my contacts are on *spit* MSN Messenger *spit* and the other half are on ICQ. Running both is a pain. How is S.A. playing I can't get TV coverage here. Muwahahaha! Poor Indians got a bit of a thrashing. Shaun Pollock pulled off a ten (10) wicket haul! Wooohooo. Final result was: nine wicket win Go SA! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
Well done S.A. Shaun Pollock must be bathed in champers on his return home , I say. Well done. Ok dump the ICQ and move to sonork, It's the wave now and it executes MSM Messenger for you. If security is at all a concern move over to Sonork. Try it for a while and you'll agree. Psst... don't tell anyone but I'm trying to get sonorkdev to dump there messenger source code on CP, although it is in Delphi. I'll inform Chris M later, so he doesn't get uppity with me! Bloody Aussies try to do them a favor and the get all poncy and start abusing you ! Regardz Colin J Davies
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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HiYall, I'm new to this forum.. lovely! Colin, thanks for giving Sonork a try ;) I *agree* with you in the sense that the NEW version should NOT be released along with a "TO-DO" list that includes bugs... When I release a new version of Sonork, I test it, bend it, break it, fix it, hit it, until I'm sure there aren't any bugs.. but then.. some user runs Sonork on WinME in a Linux emulator inside an Excel cell embedded in a Word document inside a webpage and kaboom!.. he finds a new bug. The to-do list then, comes AFTER the product version is on the air and BEFORE the fix is available.. in other words: Its only intention is to: a) Tell the others: "Please stop reporting this bug.. I know about it and I'm fixing it" b) Tell yourself: "This bug has X priority" AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: c) You _MUST_ attach the "bug report" to the _OLDER_ version of the source code - so when you (or your team members) re-use the code or revert to a backup, you/them are aware of the bug on that version. That's all.. where do I get cofee around here? Sonork ID: 0.2
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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HiYall, I'm new to this forum.. lovely! (2nd post.. 1st post did not appear?) Colin, thanks for giving Sonork a try ;) I *agree* with you in the sense that the NEW version should NOT be released along with a "TO-DO" list that includes bugs... When I release a new version of Sonork, I test it, bend it, break it, fix it, hit it, until I'm sure there aren't any bugs.. but then.. some user runs Sonork on WinME in a Linux emulator inside an Excel cell embedded in a Word document inside a webpage and kaboom!.. he finds a new bug. The to-do list then, comes AFTER the product version is on the air and BEFORE the fix is available.. in other words: Its only intention is to: a) Tell the others: "Please stop reporting this bug.. I know about it and I'm fixing it" b) Tell yourself: "This bug has X priority" AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: c) You _MUST_ attach the "bug report" to the _OLDER_ version of the source code - so when you (or your team members) re-use the code or revert to a backup, you/them are aware of the bug on that version. That's all.. where do I get coffee around here? Sonork ID: 0.2
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Hope you are convinced No No NO, To do lists are terrible things that I believe should be used as little as possible. When I go to the Supermarket Mustafa, I never make a shopping list. I go to the supermarket and I buy things if I forget something it only teaches me that I should be more thoughtful. If I write a class that interacts with another class, I do it, I don't write a to do list. If I were to forget something whilst doing it, It shows me that I don't really know what I am doing and must improve my knowledge and skills ! Hope you are convinced;P ;P ;P Regardz Colin J Davies
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"When I go to the Supermarket Mustafa, I never make a shopping list." Apparently, you are single. Otherwise you would have remembered the many occasions in the Supermarket when you forgot what to buy and didn't carry the shopping list your manager (i.e. your wife) gave to you. ;P ;P ;P
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I hate To Do lists, Don't you, what point are they ! If you have got to do something do it, don't waste your time putting it on a to do list, then measure your performance doing the lists items. I suppose some of you work in larger organisations that insist on having such meaningless time wasting things. Have you ever thought why you or your team has a to do list? I'm sure it's one of two things, the first being that haven't done what you should have already completed, so you are obviously unorganised, or the second reason being that your project manager noddy or middle management insists on retaining there respective employment. Eg if they didn't keep you disorganised they wouldn't have an excuse for a job. Next time you have contact with an organisation and you mention an implentation or function of there product or service, and they respond "Its on our to do list". Think to yourself what blo*dy use is it on a to do list, if it's a good idea implement the blo*dy thing don't write it down on a useless to do list and then have unproductive meetings about what should be done on the to do list and in which order. The to do list mentality is so stupid that you would think an MBA had created it ! Bug lists are just as bad, if your application has a bug, well stupid you for writing a buggy application. And if you have to fix buggy code "fix it" don't go to all the unneccessary work of documenting the bug and finding blame for it, and then taking it to a useless project manager who'll hold a meeting about the bug. The best thing is if you get sacked (pink slip) for following my advice you'll have more time to post in the lounge at CodeProject, or worse your sacking will probably just end up on your PM's to do list anyhow, so you haven't got much to worry about. :-) Thats my 2 cents that you didn't ask for, so consider yourself richer! :-) Warning Flame me publicly if you flame me privatly, I'll just post it in the lounge, OK. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I'm guessing your post was an attempt at starting a flame war but I love a good troll myself :-) You'll really hate me but I have bug to-do lists. I'll be going through some code looking for one bug and find another unrelated bug. This new bug I put down on my to-do list as a reminder that it needs to be fixed. If the bug is serious and may be spotted by somebody else, I record it in the bug-tracking database. My IPAQ has a large to-do list where I write down everything that I need to remember to-do. Mainly because my short-term memory is crap and tend to forgot lots of things. Michael :-)
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Anders I appreciate the sincerity of your post, but I must argue with you, If you have something to do, do it. Good start posting your reply, you did it. As a child my parents would not let me leave the table until I was finished eating my vegetables, maybe your parents did the same to you. :-) And work is similar if you have a big project do it, don't spend your time procrastinatingn and talking about the project do it. I understand with a larger project that you have many things to do, this is natural, maybe my advice should be, don't show your to do list to your project manager, who in turn will attempt to organise you and waste your time in sensless meetings, and even worse attempt to prioritise your work schedule. Good luck. Regardz Colin J Davies
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As a child my parents would not let me leave the table until I was finished eating my vegetables, maybe your parents did the same to you. Ohh, they did :-) But when I'm working on a project I get a lot of ideas that might take some weeks to implement. If I don't write those ideas in a to do list, I might forget about them... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Well, if programming is as simple as shopping you are COMPLETELY right Food for thought :-) But I dont think that circulating around a 40,000 line code would be as easy as buying some corn-flakes in a supermarket Glad to hear you like cornflakes also :-) Also, if you forgot to buy your corn-flakes, you can eat some cheese for the breakfast. Hey we have agreement I lke cheese to ! :-) our opinion are not so far apart after all. But this is not the case for my classes (may be your classes are clever enough to cover your mistakes, but mine are just dubm classes) Ok now we disagree first of, I believe you misspelt "dumb" as "dubm", I won't be pendantic about it since I'm not your English teacher, but never the less it is a syntax error and your code will not compile if you do that. I don't know your classes so I can't make a comparrison with mine, and I admit to making mistakes and doing some real bad code production at times (quite often actually). But i believe Mustafa my fellow brother coder that you are missing my point entirely. When you have something to do, do it, don't spend your life procrastinating about it. Maybe you should consider just doing the documentation first to make your life simpler. Don't worry at all first whether your application will run. What I'm really against Mustafa, is the to do lists that are held from one day to the next or which reach a project managers desk. Of course it's easier to do tasks in sequence. But wouldn't you like to do your job and then have fun for the rest of the day, like the expression, "Play hard, work hard". Unfortunatly I believe the institution of to do lists these days, now has meant that programmers are always working or attending meetings. Rather than getting the job done. So often we buy on emotion and then justify our decisions unfortunatly with logic. :-) Have a good day or night, whatever your timezone ! Regardz Colin J Davies
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Unfortunatly I believe the institution of to do lists these days, now has meant that programmers are always working or attending meetings. Rather than getting the job done. That's right! I agree. :) Mustafa Demirhan
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Hope you are convinced No No NO, To do lists are terrible things that I believe should be used as little as possible. When I go to the Supermarket Mustafa, I never make a shopping list. I go to the supermarket and I buy things if I forget something it only teaches me that I should be more thoughtful. If I write a class that interacts with another class, I do it, I don't write a to do list. If I were to forget something whilst doing it, It shows me that I don't really know what I am doing and must improve my knowledge and skills ! Hope you are convinced;P ;P ;P Regardz Colin J Davies
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Well, in that case you've just moved the "To Do List" into your head rather than on a sheet of paper or in a computer. ... Does that mean that your head is a terrible thing? ;P John
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HiYall, I'm new to this forum.. lovely! (2nd post.. 1st post did not appear?) Colin, thanks for giving Sonork a try ;) I *agree* with you in the sense that the NEW version should NOT be released along with a "TO-DO" list that includes bugs... When I release a new version of Sonork, I test it, bend it, break it, fix it, hit it, until I'm sure there aren't any bugs.. but then.. some user runs Sonork on WinME in a Linux emulator inside an Excel cell embedded in a Word document inside a webpage and kaboom!.. he finds a new bug. The to-do list then, comes AFTER the product version is on the air and BEFORE the fix is available.. in other words: Its only intention is to: a) Tell the others: "Please stop reporting this bug.. I know about it and I'm fixing it" b) Tell yourself: "This bug has X priority" AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: c) You _MUST_ attach the "bug report" to the _OLDER_ version of the source code - so when you (or your team members) re-use the code or revert to a backup, you/them are aware of the bug on that version. That's all.. where do I get coffee around here? Sonork ID: 0.2
Colin, thanks for giving Sonork a try No Problem Migs Sonork is really brilliant ! Hey let me welcome you to the lounge as Chris is probably asleep again, and get you a coffee. I take it you like a little black coffee in a tiny cup, lots of sugar and no milk, right ! Four simple rules in here will hold you in good shape. 1. Read all the posts every day. 2. Don't answer back to John Simmons(outlaw programmer). 3. Never take me seriously. 4. Don't step on the cat. Page me on Sonork some time I'm nearly always friendly AOR available. Anyhow good to see you relaxing in the lounge. :-) BTW: When are you going to impliment the GSM system, Shucks I hope it's not at the back of a to do list! :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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I'm guessing your post was an attempt at starting a flame war but I love a good troll myself :-) You'll really hate me but I have bug to-do lists. I'll be going through some code looking for one bug and find another unrelated bug. This new bug I put down on my to-do list as a reminder that it needs to be fixed. If the bug is serious and may be spotted by somebody else, I record it in the bug-tracking database. My IPAQ has a large to-do list where I write down everything that I need to remember to-do. Mainly because my short-term memory is crap and tend to forgot lots of things. Michael :-)
but I love a good troll myself Of cause it was I too have a short to do list that I keep in my head, luckily enough ! I think a troll is Ok if it isn't personalised or inflamatory and or abusive. Who knows maybe I got somebody to think about how they can reorganize there to do list better and be more productive. Sh*t If you enter the Lounge be prepared to waste your time. If you couldn't waste your time it wouldn't be a lounge , now would it. Mainly because my short-term memory is crap and tend to forgot lots of things. yeah I do memory execises etc to improve mine. Regardz Colin J Davies
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