Instant Messanging Annoyance & Time
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I use MSN Messenger at home. I actually like the new look of v4.5, even if it isn't quite as stable as v3.6. Unfortunately work is shirty about IM's (which is understandable - there's real potential for abuse) which is a shame - it has got real potential for split-site working. The one ferature missing from all of them is interoperability. Just because I prefer one client and a friend/colleage another, why should we be forced to use the same one? (FYI I had to install AOL IM a week ago for that reason and it sucks). But then, the likes of AOL would throw a wobbly if their users could talk to the rest of us, wouldn't they? I haven't tried Sonark, though if it could talk to other clients I'd give it a go. I don't like ICQ. For now, Messenger is more than "good enough" , so I'll stick with it until I can see a good reason to change (Pournelle's Rule, if you read the Byte columns). :) Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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"I'm just another 'S' bend in the internet. A ton of stuff goes through my system, and some of the hairer, stickier and lumpier stuff sticks." - Chris Maunder (I just couldn't let that one past ;))Have you tried Trillian? It supports IRC, AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, and Yahoo! Messenger. Jon Sagara "After all is said and done, usually more is said than done." -- Unknown
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Have you tried Trillian? It supports IRC, AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, and Yahoo! Messenger. Jon Sagara "After all is said and done, usually more is said than done." -- Unknown
I'll have a look. Thanks for the link :) Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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"I'm just another 'S' bend in the internet. A ton of stuff goes through my system, and some of the hairer, stickier and lumpier stuff sticks." - Chris Maunder (I just couldn't let that one past ;)) -
the original Post Hijacker message (tm) My original message got sucked into Nish's joke so I am reposting, very odd IMs have really blossomed in the last year or two what with ICQ, Yahoo, AIM, MSN Messenger, Odio and now Sonork all jumping on the bandwagon. I am curious to know if anyone actually uses IM for serious purposes? e.g. business use, project communication, client communication etc. Also what really bugs you about IM and what is it that you wish IM could or would do? For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history. ICQ is better at that but it is a bit spam ridden and has a big memory footprint. Sonork has been a pleasant surprise in the last few days. In fact if more people started using it (including my clients and partners) then I would use it permanently and dump ICQ and MSN. One of the better features is that you can setup your own private IM network on your intranet (or between intranets). Is this what you or your business is looking for in an IM or is Groove an even better option? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
It would be nice of MSN messenger to have an option to start up in appear off-line mode or busy mode. The number of times I've left my computer to boot whilst going for a coffee and then coming back to find several people wanting to talk. MSN would also be better if recorded conversation historys. MSN is far superior to ICQ though, at least I haven't had any spam messages from MSN. Michael :-)
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the original Post Hijacker message (tm) My original message got sucked into Nish's joke so I am reposting, very odd IMs have really blossomed in the last year or two what with ICQ, Yahoo, AIM, MSN Messenger, Odio and now Sonork all jumping on the bandwagon. I am curious to know if anyone actually uses IM for serious purposes? e.g. business use, project communication, client communication etc. Also what really bugs you about IM and what is it that you wish IM could or would do? For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history. ICQ is better at that but it is a bit spam ridden and has a big memory footprint. Sonork has been a pleasant surprise in the last few days. In fact if more people started using it (including my clients and partners) then I would use it permanently and dump ICQ and MSN. One of the better features is that you can setup your own private IM network on your intranet (or between intranets). Is this what you or your business is looking for in an IM or is Groove an even better option? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Paul Watson wrote:
For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history.
You may try the Messenger Plus! Extension. The main features are (copied from its homepage):
- Logging (historic). Automatically keeps a text file of your chats so that you can laugh of all the stupid things you said, some months after :). This works quite like IRC logs (if you know what I am talking about).
- Personalized Away. If you want your contacts to receive a specific message when you're away, the Plus! Extension is for you! This works kinda like ICQ. Just enter your message when you change your status to Away or Busy. It will be sent at regular intervals to anyone trying to contact you.
- Messenging at work? now, with a simple shortcut you can make all your Messenger windows minimized and put your status to Busy. Your boss won't catch you anymore!
- You like the cool alpha-bending (transparency) effects of Windows 2000/XP? what about adding some in your Messenger windows? the Plus! Extension brings that feature to your feet.
Regards Thomas PS: Chris, how about a quote button for replies? I see everyone here has his own style for quoting previous postings, but it would like to see an automatism :rolleyes:.
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Paul Watson wrote:
For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history.
You may try the Messenger Plus! Extension. The main features are (copied from its homepage):
- Logging (historic). Automatically keeps a text file of your chats so that you can laugh of all the stupid things you said, some months after :). This works quite like IRC logs (if you know what I am talking about).
- Personalized Away. If you want your contacts to receive a specific message when you're away, the Plus! Extension is for you! This works kinda like ICQ. Just enter your message when you change your status to Away or Busy. It will be sent at regular intervals to anyone trying to contact you.
- Messenging at work? now, with a simple shortcut you can make all your Messenger windows minimized and put your status to Busy. Your boss won't catch you anymore!
- You like the cool alpha-bending (transparency) effects of Windows 2000/XP? what about adding some in your Messenger windows? the Plus! Extension brings that feature to your feet.
Regards Thomas PS: Chris, how about a quote button for replies? I see everyone here has his own style for quoting previous postings, but it would like to see an automatism :rolleyes:.
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Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.Thanks for the awesome download Thomas! Very helpful indeed. PS: Chris, how about a quote button for replies? I see everyone here has his own style for quoting previous postings, but it would like to see an automatism . Good idea, maybe post it in the Suggestions forum and he can implement it when he has a chance :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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It would be nice of MSN messenger to have an option to start up in appear off-line mode or busy mode. The number of times I've left my computer to boot whilst going for a coffee and then coming back to find several people wanting to talk. MSN would also be better if recorded conversation historys. MSN is far superior to ICQ though, at least I haven't had any spam messages from MSN. Michael :-)
MSN would also be better if recorded conversation historys. Check Thomas's reply to my post, there he points out an app that plugs into MSN and enables logging :-D MSN is far superior to ICQ though, at least I haven't had any spam messages from MSN. I would have to disagree. ICQ is a better app and service in almost every respect. Yes you get spam but you can ignore, ban and also not publish your details publicly which helps a lot (I get maybe one ICQ spam a week now, not bad). MSN has no history function (withouth a 3rd party app) while ICQ has this built in. Also if an MSN user is offline you can only email them! What a farce! ICQ you can just leave an instant messange which they get as soon as they login. Just those two gripes keep me from switching all together to MSN. However MSN does have a better interface and is simpler to use. It is also smaller which is a bonus. Also with ICQ you can set it up to not connect on boot, or go into automatic Busy mode straight away. Also ICQ has only ever crashed once on my machine, MSN crashes quite regularly. ICQ is also a lot more configurable and, for the fun concious, skinnable :) However Sonork is FAST becoming my preferred IM. All it needs is more users :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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Thanks for the awesome download Thomas! Very helpful indeed. PS: Chris, how about a quote button for replies? I see everyone here has his own style for quoting previous postings, but it would like to see an automatism . Good idea, maybe post it in the Suggestions forum and he can implement it when he has a chance :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
Paul Watson wrote:
Good idea, maybe post it in the Suggestions forum and he can implement it when he has a chance :-)
Done :cool:
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the original Post Hijacker message (tm) My original message got sucked into Nish's joke so I am reposting, very odd IMs have really blossomed in the last year or two what with ICQ, Yahoo, AIM, MSN Messenger, Odio and now Sonork all jumping on the bandwagon. I am curious to know if anyone actually uses IM for serious purposes? e.g. business use, project communication, client communication etc. Also what really bugs you about IM and what is it that you wish IM could or would do? For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history. ICQ is better at that but it is a bit spam ridden and has a big memory footprint. Sonork has been a pleasant surprise in the last few days. In fact if more people started using it (including my clients and partners) then I would use it permanently and dump ICQ and MSN. One of the better features is that you can setup your own private IM network on your intranet (or between intranets). Is this what you or your business is looking for in an IM or is Groove an even better option? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
Timex Corporation has always been a "new technology" beta site for Microsoft. We had done some joint developments with them in the past (Data Link watches), so we were kind of "lucky" to be given this "honor." We rolled out Windows 2000 8 months before it went public, and we are now rolling out Windows XP (albeit a little late :)). We are using Passport accounts with our timex.com mail addresses for in-house use. I frequently have IM discussions with our graphics design department when I do Shockwave development. The company believes that everyone should have the ability to communicate with everyone anywhere/anytime. In fact, IM use is encouraged because it doesn't clutter up the mail server with useless diatribes. I think that IM'ing is a great idea, and I think more companies should take advantage of it. Brigg Thorp Software Engineer Timex Corporation
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Paul Watson wrote:
For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history.
You may try the Messenger Plus! Extension. The main features are (copied from its homepage):
- Logging (historic). Automatically keeps a text file of your chats so that you can laugh of all the stupid things you said, some months after :). This works quite like IRC logs (if you know what I am talking about).
- Personalized Away. If you want your contacts to receive a specific message when you're away, the Plus! Extension is for you! This works kinda like ICQ. Just enter your message when you change your status to Away or Busy. It will be sent at regular intervals to anyone trying to contact you.
- Messenging at work? now, with a simple shortcut you can make all your Messenger windows minimized and put your status to Busy. Your boss won't catch you anymore!
- You like the cool alpha-bending (transparency) effects of Windows 2000/XP? what about adding some in your Messenger windows? the Plus! Extension brings that feature to your feet.
Regards Thomas PS: Chris, how about a quote button for replies? I see everyone here has his own style for quoting previous postings, but it would like to see an automatism :rolleyes:.
Disclaimer:
Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.Looks interesting. I'll try it out at home tonight. :-D Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++ 5.0/6.0
"I'm just another 'S' bend in the internet. A ton of stuff goes through my system, and some of the hairer, stickier and lumpier stuff sticks." - Chris Maunder (I just couldn't let that one past ;)) -
the original Post Hijacker message (tm) My original message got sucked into Nish's joke so I am reposting, very odd IMs have really blossomed in the last year or two what with ICQ, Yahoo, AIM, MSN Messenger, Odio and now Sonork all jumping on the bandwagon. I am curious to know if anyone actually uses IM for serious purposes? e.g. business use, project communication, client communication etc. Also what really bugs you about IM and what is it that you wish IM could or would do? For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history. ICQ is better at that but it is a bit spam ridden and has a big memory footprint. Sonork has been a pleasant surprise in the last few days. In fact if more people started using it (including my clients and partners) then I would use it permanently and dump ICQ and MSN. One of the better features is that you can setup your own private IM network on your intranet (or between intranets). Is this what you or your business is looking for in an IM or is Groove an even better option? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
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Paul Watson wrote:
For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history.
You may try the Messenger Plus! Extension. The main features are (copied from its homepage):
- Logging (historic). Automatically keeps a text file of your chats so that you can laugh of all the stupid things you said, some months after :). This works quite like IRC logs (if you know what I am talking about).
- Personalized Away. If you want your contacts to receive a specific message when you're away, the Plus! Extension is for you! This works kinda like ICQ. Just enter your message when you change your status to Away or Busy. It will be sent at regular intervals to anyone trying to contact you.
- Messenging at work? now, with a simple shortcut you can make all your Messenger windows minimized and put your status to Busy. Your boss won't catch you anymore!
- You like the cool alpha-bending (transparency) effects of Windows 2000/XP? what about adding some in your Messenger windows? the Plus! Extension brings that feature to your feet.
Regards Thomas PS: Chris, how about a quote button for replies? I see everyone here has his own style for quoting previous postings, but it would like to see an automatism :rolleyes:.
Disclaimer:
Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.> Automatically keeps a text file of your chats so that you can laugh of all > the stupid things you said, some months after Paul's log would be full after only a few minutes (mostly with glowing praise of how good VB programmers are at UI design). :) "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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the original Post Hijacker message (tm) My original message got sucked into Nish's joke so I am reposting, very odd IMs have really blossomed in the last year or two what with ICQ, Yahoo, AIM, MSN Messenger, Odio and now Sonork all jumping on the bandwagon. I am curious to know if anyone actually uses IM for serious purposes? e.g. business use, project communication, client communication etc. Also what really bugs you about IM and what is it that you wish IM could or would do? For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history. ICQ is better at that but it is a bit spam ridden and has a big memory footprint. Sonork has been a pleasant surprise in the last few days. In fact if more people started using it (including my clients and partners) then I would use it permanently and dump ICQ and MSN. One of the better features is that you can setup your own private IM network on your intranet (or between intranets). Is this what you or your business is looking for in an IM or is Groove an even better option? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
I use MSN Messenger to answer quick questions from the freelancers that I manage. It's easier than getting stuck in long phone calls. But most of the time, I chat to my mates. :) Cheers, Paul
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Paul Watson wrote:
For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history.
You may try the Messenger Plus! Extension. The main features are (copied from its homepage):
- Logging (historic). Automatically keeps a text file of your chats so that you can laugh of all the stupid things you said, some months after :). This works quite like IRC logs (if you know what I am talking about).
- Personalized Away. If you want your contacts to receive a specific message when you're away, the Plus! Extension is for you! This works kinda like ICQ. Just enter your message when you change your status to Away or Busy. It will be sent at regular intervals to anyone trying to contact you.
- Messenging at work? now, with a simple shortcut you can make all your Messenger windows minimized and put your status to Busy. Your boss won't catch you anymore!
- You like the cool alpha-bending (transparency) effects of Windows 2000/XP? what about adding some in your Messenger windows? the Plus! Extension brings that feature to your feet.
Regards Thomas PS: Chris, how about a quote button for replies? I see everyone here has his own style for quoting previous postings, but it would like to see an automatism :rolleyes:.
Disclaimer:
Because of heavy processing requirements, we are currently using some of your unused brain capacity for backup processing. Please ignore any hallucinations, voices or unusual dreams you may experience. Please avoid concentration-intensive tasks until further notice. Thank you.I have forgot to mention, that the Messenger Plus! Extensions is able to remove the annoying advertisment banner Messenger.
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Have you tried Trillian? It supports IRC, AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, and Yahoo! Messenger. Jon Sagara "After all is said and done, usually more is said than done." -- Unknown
I tried Trillian for a while. At first it seems really nice. It has a support for skins, ...etc. But it is not as fast as Sonork. Also it is not stable at all. Moreover, its functionality is limited. Sonork is really very nice. it is clear, fast, stable and offers some really nice features! It just needs MORE USERS... :(( Kind regards Mustafa Demirhan Sonork ID 100.9935 - zoltrix
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the original Post Hijacker message (tm) My original message got sucked into Nish's joke so I am reposting, very odd IMs have really blossomed in the last year or two what with ICQ, Yahoo, AIM, MSN Messenger, Odio and now Sonork all jumping on the bandwagon. I am curious to know if anyone actually uses IM for serious purposes? e.g. business use, project communication, client communication etc. Also what really bugs you about IM and what is it that you wish IM could or would do? For instance MSN Messenger is fine but for business use it is useless as it has no message history. ICQ is better at that but it is a bit spam ridden and has a big memory footprint. Sonork has been a pleasant surprise in the last few days. In fact if more people started using it (including my clients and partners) then I would use it permanently and dump ICQ and MSN. One of the better features is that you can setup your own private IM network on your intranet (or between intranets). Is this what you or your business is looking for in an IM or is Groove an even better option? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa
I've noticed people putting Sonork in their sigs, but didn't know what it was. I'm working on a project with people in two other countries at the moment and we are using MSN Messenger ( when the network is up ) to keep abreast of what we are all doing. I just save the discussion as a txt file if I was told anything I want to refer back to. I finally evicted ICQ recently, we only had that up because sometimes the boss gets some really dumb people in ( like people who come and tell him about their projects in 3D that after three years are almost as good as the maze screen saver ), and we amuse ourselves by commenting in ICQ to each other. No more, I was sick of the daily roll of pr0n spam. I must check out this Sonork thing of which you speak.... Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
