A Viral Conspiracy?
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Lauren, you can't use "business" (well, "bizness") and "moral" in the same sentance these days. :) Still, though, I'd have to agree. There's plenty of hate out there for Microsoft already and the market share of Windows makes it the obvious target for worms, etc. (not to mention Outlook's problems, which are a little better in Office 2003). I don't see a need to for AV companies to do such a thing. Now, if "Longhorn" is as secure as they say it should be (managed code, emphasis on security from the ground-up, etc.) and script kiddies are shut-out (perhaps even shutting-out most real virii authors), then who knows? :suss:
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An interesting question that I've always pondered is "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this?
create criminals? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that they stay in business and that budgets keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Does drug companies create viruses? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? :rolleyes: Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
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create criminals? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that they stay in business and that budgets keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Does drug companies create viruses? It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? :rolleyes: Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
>Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Actually law enforcement all over the world has been involved in organised crime. Here in S.A. weapons are bought and sold by criminals through police channels. Drugs are lifted from evidence lockers by insiders. Police are paid to destroy or change evidence by criminals. Police run shebeens (illegal bars) knowing they won't get busted because they are the busters. Police are paid to let their guard down on key witnesses in criminal cases so that the offender can take the witness out. The list goes on. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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An interesting question that I've always pondered is "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this?
"Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" Spooky!! I read a book once (don't remember the name) in which the President decides to make drugs legal and the head of the DEA then tries to kill the President since that (the law) will put him out of a job. But it is a fabulous business move " Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill ? "
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Lauren, you can't use "business" (well, "bizness") and "moral" in the same sentance these days. :) Still, though, I'd have to agree. There's plenty of hate out there for Microsoft already and the market share of Windows makes it the obvious target for worms, etc. (not to mention Outlook's problems, which are a little better in Office 2003). I don't see a need to for AV companies to do such a thing. Now, if "Longhorn" is as secure as they say it should be (managed code, emphasis on security from the ground-up, etc.) and script kiddies are shut-out (perhaps even shutting-out most real virii authors), then who knows? :suss:
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Heath Stewart wrote: Now, if "Longhorn" is as secure as they say it should be (managed code, emphasis on security from the ground-up, etc.) and script kiddies are shut-out (perhaps even shutting-out most real virii authors), then who knows? I have a feeling that won't happen. Sure, MS does seem to be legitimately focused on security these days... but making secure programs is just plain hard, even if you never have to worry about buffer overruns. Windows has become more and more monolithic... and more and more stuff keeps going into the operating system... and you know the old proverb, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
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>Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Actually law enforcement all over the world has been involved in organised crime. Here in S.A. weapons are bought and sold by criminals through police channels. Drugs are lifted from evidence lockers by insiders. Police are paid to destroy or change evidence by criminals. Police run shebeens (illegal bars) knowing they won't get busted because they are the busters. Police are paid to let their guard down on key witnesses in criminal cases so that the offender can take the witness out. The list goes on. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Paul Watson wrote: Here in S.A. weapons are bought and sold by criminals through police channels. Drugs are lifted from evidence lockers by insiders. Police are paid to destroy or change evidence by criminals. Police run shebeens (illegal bars) knowing they won't get busted because they are the busters. Police are paid to let their guard down on key witnesses in criminal cases so that the offender can take the witness out. I don't agree: I think policemen do all this, not the police. This is a huge difference. Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
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>Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this? Actually law enforcement all over the world has been involved in organised crime. Here in S.A. weapons are bought and sold by criminals through police channels. Drugs are lifted from evidence lockers by insiders. Police are paid to destroy or change evidence by criminals. Police run shebeens (illegal bars) knowing they won't get busted because they are the busters. Police are paid to let their guard down on key witnesses in criminal cases so that the offender can take the witness out. The list goes on. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
While what you say is absolutely true... I think that's a different problem altogether. The police in this situation try *not* to get caught... not to create criminals to make more work for themselves. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
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While what you say is absolutely true... I think that's a different problem altogether. The police in this situation try *not* to get caught... not to create criminals to make more work for themselves. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
There are known cases of policeman setting people up for crimes and busting them to win aclaim. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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"Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" Spooky!! I read a book once (don't remember the name) in which the President decides to make drugs legal and the head of the DEA then tries to kill the President since that (the law) will put him out of a job. But it is a fabulous business move " Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill ? "
Ramanan Sivan wrote: Spooky!! I read a book once (don't remember the name) in which the President decides to make drugs legal and the head of the DEA then tries to kill the President since that (the law) will put him out of a job. Actually, there are some (insane? bright?) people here who propose that the government should distribute drugs freely for a while. This would break the drug dealer's economic power and bring down their empire. After a while, you slowly stop distribution, fighting drug addiction with education. Kind of a 'divide and conquer' approach. I think the risks are too high (an drug addiction explosion), but it makes sense. Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
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Paul Watson wrote: Here in S.A. weapons are bought and sold by criminals through police channels. Drugs are lifted from evidence lockers by insiders. Police are paid to destroy or change evidence by criminals. Police run shebeens (illegal bars) knowing they won't get busted because they are the busters. Police are paid to let their guard down on key witnesses in criminal cases so that the offender can take the witness out. I don't agree: I think policemen do all this, not the police. This is a huge difference. Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
Fair enough but the chap above was asking whether anti-virus companies create what they claim to stop. It doesn't matter if the dictionary says an anti-virus company is one which stops a virus when the companies calling themselves anti-virus companies are making the viruses*. And when does "policemen are doing it" become "the police are doign it"? 1 out of 5? 1 out of 2? All of them? Or are you arguing semantics and intent of the institution? * What is the conclusion on the plural of virus anyway? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Ramanan Sivan wrote: Spooky!! I read a book once (don't remember the name) in which the President decides to make drugs legal and the head of the DEA then tries to kill the President since that (the law) will put him out of a job. Actually, there are some (insane? bright?) people here who propose that the government should distribute drugs freely for a while. This would break the drug dealer's economic power and bring down their empire. After a while, you slowly stop distribution, fighting drug addiction with education. Kind of a 'divide and conquer' approach. I think the risks are too high (an drug addiction explosion), but it makes sense. Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
You're right. It makes no sense to legalize drugs. IF something is availabe more freely more and more people would be tempted to use it and they would become commonplace. And I think the reason that society will never tolerate it the way it tolerates cigarettes is that the effects in this case are drastic and immediate not to mention far more destructive (to users and those around them). " Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill ? "
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Fair enough but the chap above was asking whether anti-virus companies create what they claim to stop. It doesn't matter if the dictionary says an anti-virus company is one which stops a virus when the companies calling themselves anti-virus companies are making the viruses*. And when does "policemen are doing it" become "the police are doign it"? 1 out of 5? 1 out of 2? All of them? Or are you arguing semantics and intent of the institution? * What is the conclusion on the plural of virus anyway? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Thanks. Now how do you pronounce that? vi-ri, ve-ree, vi-ree? And just who makes these rules anyway? *paul wanders off to find an oxford dictionary* regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Thanks. Now how do you pronounce that? vi-ri, ve-ree, vi-ree? And just who makes these rules anyway? *paul wanders off to find an oxford dictionary* regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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There are known cases of policeman setting people up for crimes and busting them to win aclaim. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
What do you define as "setup"? Sure, police often try to use "sting" or "setup" operations to try to catch somebody they already think is a criminal but need difinitive proof. But you may be talking about something different. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
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What do you define as "setup"? Sure, police often try to use "sting" or "setup" operations to try to catch somebody they already think is a criminal but need difinitive proof. But you may be talking about something different. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
I believe they are referring more to cases where police have actually planted evidence on a person, in their vehicle, in their home, etc.
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What do you define as "setup"? Sure, police often try to use "sting" or "setup" operations to try to catch somebody they already think is a criminal but need difinitive proof. But you may be talking about something different. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
Right, different to that. What will happen is a cop will approach a potential or known criminal and offer them a sweet deal without approval from his superiors. Sting operations require tons of paperwork, in this case the cop won't do any of this. He will then wait for the criminal to do the deed and bust him in the process. He then hauls the criminal in front of his peers and superiors and they applaud him for his good work. The criminal can squeal of course but it is the cop's word against the criminal's. The cop can then get promotion or accolades for his good work. So it is an illegal sting of sorts. The cop is creating the situation for the criminal to commit a crime but without approval. He may rope in other cops to help him out and then they all get rewards. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Right, different to that. What will happen is a cop will approach a potential or known criminal and offer them a sweet deal without approval from his superiors. Sting operations require tons of paperwork, in this case the cop won't do any of this. He will then wait for the criminal to do the deed and bust him in the process. He then hauls the criminal in front of his peers and superiors and they applaud him for his good work. The criminal can squeal of course but it is the cop's word against the criminal's. The cop can then get promotion or accolades for his good work. So it is an illegal sting of sorts. The cop is creating the situation for the criminal to commit a crime but without approval. He may rope in other cops to help him out and then they all get rewards. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
I think encouraging renegade cops is a dangerous game. I'm not some wuss who screams about human rights violations. While giving cops a free rein to do things in gray areas can give results now ,in the long run I think it'll hurt society badly. Atleast in India I think there are more than a few incidents of police high handedness in dealing with citizens. The point I'm trying to make is once they get used to doing things their way we may not be able to rein them in " Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill ? "
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What do you define as "setup"? Sure, police often try to use "sting" or "setup" operations to try to catch somebody they already think is a criminal but need difinitive proof. But you may be talking about something different. Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
I remember a case where a police officer in New Orleans robbed a store and came back to handle the case.
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An interesting question that I've always pondered is "Do antivirus companies write virii and worms themselves?" It would be the perfect way to guarantee that their companies stay in business and that profits keep growing. Anyone have any personal opinions or thoughts on this?
An old friend told me that he made his living like that when he was just starting out. I don't remember what company it was that he worked for, but he was an honest guy in general. Regards, Jeff Varszegi EEEP! An Extensible Expression Evaluation Package