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Ian Darling

Jeff Bogan wrote: It's balance off by the airheads in Hollywood. Ah, of course :-)

Ian Darling "If we've learned anything from history, it's that those who feed trolls are condemned to repetitive conversations. Or something like that." - Eric Lippert

Richard Stringer

Jeremy Kimball wrote: they require more than trivial education In what manner ? A true IQ test measures cognitive ability. For example ones score at different ages should not be very far apart when adjusted for a few age variables. Spatial awareness and reasoning ability normally is not a factor of education as it is a function of brain development. Oh well Richard ( a 23 year memeber of Mensa ) "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare

Jeremy Kimball

No, you're absolutely right. A true IQ test measures cognitive and spatial reasoning. The problem is the only true tests I've seen are the government-sponsored ones. Every other test I've seen relies on an accumulation of knowledge. Is MENSA actually worth joining? I got the nice letter after I took my first test (they screwed up - I was 6 at the time), but I've never looked into it any further... ps: you spelled "member" wrong ;)

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Gary Kirkham

A different take. The IQ data that was quoted was from the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations". That book seeks to draw a correlation between average IQ of a nation (or state) and the wealth of the nation (not voting record). The books conclusion is that there is a direct link between IQ and wealth. So one might conclude from this, that the Dems are the party of the rich, which flies in the face of the party line. More importantly, if you as a Democrat believe the conclusions of the book, then it forces you to admit that poor people are not as intelligent as more affluent people. I don't think that you really want to go there. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Who you are in Christ

Richard Stringer

Jeremy Kimball wrote: Is MENSA actually worth joining? I got the nice letter after I took my first test (they screwed up - I was 6 at the time), but I've never looked into it any further Its kinda fun. You get to meet some nice people and such stuff but thats about it. The discussions are QUITE eclectic ranging from micro tonal music composition to warping spacetime to exceed the speed of light on a local basis. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare

Chris Losinger

Gary Kirkham wrote: The books conclusion is that there is a direct link between IQ and wealth. So one might conclude from this, that the Dems are the party of the rich, which flies in the face of the party line. i don't think it does. rich people are welcome in the Democratic party as well as poor people - it's what they want from their government that separates them from Republicans. rich or poor, Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. Gary Kirkham wrote: if you as a Democrat believe the conclusions of the book, then it forces you to admit that poor people are not as intelligent as more affluent people there's actually probably something to that. not that poor people are necessarily genetically stupid, but that richer people are probably more likely to have had a better education (...not just book-learnin, neither - but the whole developmental environment thang). tough topic to discuss without getting into prejudices and stereotypes. yuck. how that all ties into D v R , i dunno... Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer

Gary Kirkham

common misconception...(education != intelligence) Chris Losinger wrote: Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. The only "mechanism for positive change" I remember from the Democrats is the welfare system. It essentially enslaved a group of people and made them beholding to the government (i.e. Democrats) for their support. It gave them no hope of anything better. Most people (including some Democrats) look back on it as an abysmal failure, certainly not a "leg up". Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Who you are in Christ

Tomaz Stih 0

There's nothing quite like selective statistics, it tells nothing at all about the election but yet you can start a 40 messages debate and feed an ego of a democrat with it. :-D Tomaž

Chris Losinger

education and intelligence are related. intelligence is not 100% innate: it is something that can be nurtured and/or neglected, during a child's development. that's where wealth can make a difference - in the environment it provides a child to grow in. Gary Kirkham wrote: The only "mechanism for positive change" I remember from the Democrats is the welfare system. zzz. Gary Kirkham wrote: essentially enslaved a group of people and made them beholding to the government GOP propaganda. no, wait... idiotic GOP propaganda. paranoid parallel-universe fantasy nonsense. Gary Kirkham wrote: It gave them no hope of anything better. zzz. Gary Kirkham wrote: Most people (including some Democrats) look back on it as an abysmal failure, certainly not a "leg up". please, give me the survey citation for your "Most people". that "abysmal failure" helped me and my family through some pretty f'in hard times. without it, i'd never be where i am today. and, many of my friends came from pretty lousy circumstances, supported for a time by the govt., to make something pretty f'in good for themselves once they finally got their footing. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer

Chris Losinger

Tomaž Štih wrote: There's nothing quite like selective statistics what the fuck does "selective statistics" mean? how can there be any statistics which aren't selected? do statistics float around in the air and combine themselves into charts and graphs naturally, like atoms forming molecules? Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer

Brit

I kinda wonder what it might look like if he also showed the percentage win in each state. (I'm not making assumptions here about which way that would go.) I'm just wondering if the lower-IQ states would tend to be strongly Bush and higher-IQ states would be the most for strongly Gore. Anyway, it reminds me of something I read a while back. I think it was Scott Adams who wrote it. He said that we should compare people's intelligence with their voting preferences to see if there are any correlations. He said the results would probably be depressing no matter what they were because if highly intelligent people voted differently than low intelligence people, then ouch for democracy. If highly intelligent people voted the same as low intelligence people, then ouch for intelligence. ----------------------------------------------------- Bush To Iraqi Militants: 'Please Stop Bringing It On' - The Onion

Jason Henderson

Does this take into account the IQ of actual voters? I would assume that the higher the IQ, the more likely you would be to vote. I have no evidence, but it would be interesting to see if the "dumber" states had a lower average voter turnout than the "smarter" states. This poll[^] shows Bush with a slight edge over Gore in getting the educated vote. Gore got a large majority of the high school drop outs.

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Terry ONolley

What were New Hampshire's and Virginia's problem? They average triple digit IQs but they still voted for Bush??? Weird...... It is good to know that some of the stupid states were able to show enough intelligence to vote for Gore though.