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Gary Kirkham wrote: The books conclusion is that there is a direct link between IQ and wealth. So one might conclude from this, that the Dems are the party of the rich, which flies in the face of the party line. i don't think it does. rich people are welcome in the Democratic party as well as poor people - it's what they want from their government that separates them from Republicans. rich or poor, Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. Gary Kirkham wrote: if you as a Democrat believe the conclusions of the book, then it forces you to admit that poor people are not as intelligent as more affluent people there's actually probably something to that. not that poor people are necessarily genetically stupid, but that richer people are probably more likely to have had a better education (...not just book-learnin, neither - but the whole developmental environment thang). tough topic to discuss without getting into prejudices and stereotypes. yuck. how that all ties into D v R , i dunno... Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
common misconception...(education != intelligence) Chris Losinger wrote: Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. The only "mechanism for positive change" I remember from the Democrats is the welfare system. It essentially enslaved a group of people and made them beholding to the government (i.e. Democrats) for their support. It gave them no hope of anything better. Most people (including some Democrats) look back on it as an abysmal failure, certainly not a "leg up". Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Who you are in Christ
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IQ averages by state.... and who they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm[^] :) tee hee hee. snicker snicker snicker. -c (doin my best to raise NC's average IQ) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
There's nothing quite like selective statistics, it tells nothing at all about the election but yet you can start a 40 messages debate and feed an ego of a democrat with it. :-D Tomaž
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common misconception...(education != intelligence) Chris Losinger wrote: Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. The only "mechanism for positive change" I remember from the Democrats is the welfare system. It essentially enslaved a group of people and made them beholding to the government (i.e. Democrats) for their support. It gave them no hope of anything better. Most people (including some Democrats) look back on it as an abysmal failure, certainly not a "leg up". Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Who you are in Christ
education and intelligence are related. intelligence is not 100% innate: it is something that can be nurtured and/or neglected, during a child's development. that's where wealth can make a difference - in the environment it provides a child to grow in. Gary Kirkham wrote: The only "mechanism for positive change" I remember from the Democrats is the welfare system. zzz. Gary Kirkham wrote: essentially enslaved a group of people and made them beholding to the government GOP propaganda. no, wait... idiotic GOP propaganda. paranoid parallel-universe fantasy nonsense. Gary Kirkham wrote: It gave them no hope of anything better. zzz. Gary Kirkham wrote: Most people (including some Democrats) look back on it as an abysmal failure, certainly not a "leg up". please, give me the survey citation for your "Most people". that "abysmal failure" helped me and my family through some pretty f'in hard times. without it, i'd never be where i am today. and, many of my friends came from pretty lousy circumstances, supported for a time by the govt., to make something pretty f'in good for themselves once they finally got their footing. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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There's nothing quite like selective statistics, it tells nothing at all about the election but yet you can start a 40 messages debate and feed an ego of a democrat with it. :-D Tomaž
Tomaž Štih wrote: There's nothing quite like selective statistics what the fuck does "selective statistics" mean? how can there be any statistics which aren't selected? do statistics float around in the air and combine themselves into charts and graphs naturally, like atoms forming molecules? Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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IQ averages by state.... and who they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm[^] :) tee hee hee. snicker snicker snicker. -c (doin my best to raise NC's average IQ) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
I kinda wonder what it might look like if he also showed the percentage win in each state. (I'm not making assumptions here about which way that would go.) I'm just wondering if the lower-IQ states would tend to be strongly Bush and higher-IQ states would be the most for strongly Gore. Anyway, it reminds me of something I read a while back. I think it was Scott Adams who wrote it. He said that we should compare people's intelligence with their voting preferences to see if there are any correlations. He said the results would probably be depressing no matter what they were because if highly intelligent people voted differently than low intelligence people, then ouch for democracy. If highly intelligent people voted the same as low intelligence people, then ouch for intelligence. ----------------------------------------------------- Bush To Iraqi Militants: 'Please Stop Bringing It On' - The Onion
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IQ averages by state.... and who they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm[^] :) tee hee hee. snicker snicker snicker. -c (doin my best to raise NC's average IQ) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
Does this take into account the IQ of actual voters? I would assume that the higher the IQ, the more likely you would be to vote. I have no evidence, but it would be interesting to see if the "dumber" states had a lower average voter turnout than the "smarter" states. This poll[^] shows Bush with a slight edge over Gore in getting the educated vote. Gore got a large majority of the high school drop outs.
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IQ averages by state.... and who they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm[^] :) tee hee hee. snicker snicker snicker. -c (doin my best to raise NC's average IQ) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
What were New Hampshire's and Virginia's problem? They average triple digit IQs but they still voted for Bush??? Weird...... It is good to know that some of the stupid states were able to show enough intelligence to vote for Gore though.
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Jon Sagara wrote: only that they tend to be less educated IQ has nothing to do with education -FYI Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
True, but education conditions you to the types of questions asked on the IQ test.
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Wow. However, I'm curious what *other* election results are. I'm not sure I totally buy into the "Democrats are smarter" conclusion. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
Why not? It's true.
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hmm... strange that it lists Florida as having voted for Gore (#26) --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- If my rhyme was a drug, I'd sell it by the gram.
They did vote for Gore - but the votes went to Bush.
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There's nothing quite like selective statistics, it tells nothing at all about the election but yet you can start a 40 messages debate and feed an ego of a democrat with it. :-D Tomaž
The statistics in question appear quite braod - what is the average IQ of the state? Who did that state vote for?
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Does this take into account the IQ of actual voters? I would assume that the higher the IQ, the more likely you would be to vote. I have no evidence, but it would be interesting to see if the "dumber" states had a lower average voter turnout than the "smarter" states. This poll[^] shows Bush with a slight edge over Gore in getting the educated vote. Gore got a large majority of the high school drop outs.
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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blogJason Henderson wrote: Does this take into account the IQ of actual voters? no. the IQs of the states were collected for non-voting reasons. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Does this take into account the IQ of actual voters? I would assume that the higher the IQ, the more likely you would be to vote. I have no evidence, but it would be interesting to see if the "dumber" states had a lower average voter turnout than the "smarter" states. This poll[^] shows Bush with a slight edge over Gore in getting the educated vote. Gore got a large majority of the high school drop outs.
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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Jason Henderson wrote: Gore got a large majority of the high school drop outs.... and the majority of people with post-graduate degrees. ----------------------------------------------------- Bush To Iraqi Militants: 'Please Stop Bringing It On' - The Onion
Yep. Must be those elitists. ;)
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Yep. Must be those elitists. ;)
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Or you could interperet it that "Bush appeals to dumb people" *Elaine takes a flying leap into the bunker* The tigress is here :-D
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Tomaž Štih wrote: There's nothing quite like selective statistics what the fuck does "selective statistics" mean? how can there be any statistics which aren't selected? do statistics float around in the air and combine themselves into charts and graphs naturally, like atoms forming molecules? Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
Keep it cool. :cool: Selective statistics means that one selects non-related results, obtained from different target groups using different methodology and without any proof propagates the idea of correlation. You need data to support the claim that group of voters is equally representative as group of IQ testers. Tomaz
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The statistics in question appear quite braod - what is the average IQ of the state? Who did that state vote for?
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If IQ research was serious then a representative group of people was tested having approximately same attributes as the general population of that state (age, education, sex, etc.) On the other side you can't plan which voters will decide to stay at home. So only those that actually showed up became part of the second group. Now if you could say (out of clear air and without proof!) that they were as representative as the IQ testers then I could with equal credibility say that they were a group of stupid people thus concluding that more stupid people voted for Gore. Right? Tomaz
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Keep it cool. :cool: Selective statistics means that one selects non-related results, obtained from different target groups using different methodology and without any proof propagates the idea of correlation. You need data to support the claim that group of voters is equally representative as group of IQ testers. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: You need data to support the claim that group of voters is equally representative as group of IQ testers. i agree. but given the size of the group of voters (roughly 50% of all adults in all states voted), it's probably pretty safe to assume there's a big overlap in the two groups. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer