Gas prices
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
It may take an extreme problem to get enough support for change. $3 per gallon? $4 per gallon? I bet most people out there would sacrifice other things in life before having to find alternate transportation methods because of expensive gas. In a way, I'd like to see gas prices skyrocket just to see some better alternatives to the good 'ol combustion engine come into the mainstream. Fossil fuels are sooooo 20th century. - Mike ------------------------- "No human being would stack books like that." - Dr. Venkman
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
A more important questions is: how much more punishment must the environment take before more effort is put into research and development of non fossile fuel? -- Booohoo!
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
DavidCrow wrote: So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? Gas prices on Brazil are roughly 2~3 times what you pay. And we still do travel on weekends and holidays. Does this answer your question? :-D Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
This is a general rant, not directed at the author of the original post :-) Humans are so near sighted and stupid. Petrol prices are through the roof here as well, and everyone is grumbling, and assuming someone is getting rich. Oil is a finite resource, and it's incredibly useful stuff. It's a horrendous waste for us to burn it. Most of the affluence achieved in the last 100 odd years directly relates back to our dicovery of uses for oil. That oil will run out, by all estimates, somewhere in the next 40 years. In the meantime, prices will rise as what is there gets harder and harder to pull out of the ground. It's taken millions of years for the earth to develop this storehouse of easy energy, and we're going to wipe it out in a couple of generations. Goodness knows what will happen next. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
I predict gas prices will drop drastically just before the US Presidential election. Mark my words. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
I've heard that the largest user of crude oil is not the Gasoline/Petrol producing oil companies, but the plastics industry. Has anyone heard this too? If so post some references. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
DavidCrow wrote: According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in this weekend's holiday travels. What holiday is this weekend? I'm expecting the weekend after next, the 29/30/31, to be when people will be doing their holiday travel. Cheers, -Erik
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A more important questions is: how much more punishment must the environment take before more effort is put into research and development of non fossile fuel? -- Booohoo!
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: how much more punishment must the environment take before more effort is put into research and development of non fossile fuel? IMHO I think it is already out there, but could you imagine what that would do to the economy and the oil companys would flip out.
R.Bischoff
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It may take an extreme problem to get enough support for change. $3 per gallon? $4 per gallon? I bet most people out there would sacrifice other things in life before having to find alternate transportation methods because of expensive gas. In a way, I'd like to see gas prices skyrocket just to see some better alternatives to the good 'ol combustion engine come into the mainstream. Fossil fuels are sooooo 20th century. - Mike ------------------------- "No human being would stack books like that." - Dr. Venkman
Mike Hodnick wrote: I bet most people out there would sacrifice other things in life before having to find alternate transportation methods because of expensive gas I couldn't agree with you more, that is why traffic in Chicago sucks so bad.
R.Bischoff
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I've heard that the largest user of crude oil is not the Gasoline/Petrol producing oil companies, but the plastics industry. Has anyone heard this too? If so post some references. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
That stands a reasonable chance of being true. Think about how many plastic bottles get used once and thrown in the trash every day. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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DavidCrow wrote: So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? Gas prices on Brazil are roughly 2~3 times what you pay. And we still do travel on weekends and holidays. Does this answer your question? :-D Due to technical difficulties my previous signature, "I see dumb people" will be off until further notice. Too many people were thinking I was talking about them... :sigh:
Daniel Turini wrote: Gas prices on Brazil are roughly 2~3 times what you pay. Here in the UK, it's about the same, I think. Petrol has just hit 80 pence per litre :( (that's about $5.40 a US gallon). You Americans should count yourselves lucky...
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
DavidCrow wrote: how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? Well, in my neck of the woods "gas" prices are in the region of $5.70 per US Gallon. And the traffic on the road each morning is backed up a few miles. I'm looking to a Toyota Prius as my next car - Not that I drive much these days, I'm 10 minutes walk to a railway station and so is my work.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
Gas makes up such a small percentage of my income and my bills that it doesn't really matter. If gas went up another $1/gallon, I'd think "gee, gas prices are kind high", but it would be with casual indifference and I'd never notice an effect on the amount of money I have in my checking account. As far as I can tell, the only people who complain about this are driving inefficient vehicles, living at or above their means, and/or are simply overreacting to the price of gas when it really has very little effect on their lives. ----------------------------------------------------- Bush To Iraqi Militants: 'Please Stop Bringing It On' - The Onion
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
Problem: Wealthy people do not care. It is nothing more than extra digits to their stuffed bank accounts. If fuel as $30 per gallon, they would still consume just as much driving their Hummers! And there are enough wealthy people in the USA, it will not change anything. Now if we had gas shortages like the 70's, that would be diffent. There is good and bad news to the fuel prices though. The bad news is that a small group of people control the price and desire to get as much as they can for each gallon. They know that there are ample supplies for decades to come and that people will make fuel cell (yuck) vehicles a reality and thus greatly reduce demand. I would even imagine you will see regulation go into play forcing people to move to fuel cell vehicles. At that time, thier lakes of oil will be worth far less and they want to get every dime they can right now. The current price of a barrel of crude at $40 means about $1 per gallon just on the crude, before it is refined, delivered and taxed. Over $2 per gallon is no surprise at that price. The funny part of the news though, is that they are saying it is our refining capacity that is the problem. How would our refining capacity change the price of crude? If anything that would mean there was a glut since we could not process it fast enough. The good news is, the higher prices force people to evaluate if it is time to move on to something else. How long can you put up with small groups of people control your income without looking for alternatives? People think buying a Hybrid is really going to matter. They are now paying as much to drive as they did last year without the Hybrid. I would imagine that the chop shops which convert cars to pure electic vehicles are running full steam now and cannot keep up with the demand. Of course, these high prices are great for auto manufactures since may people will run out and buy new vehicles that get them better milage. Fuel is like diamonds, they are currently plentiful but because a small group have control of the majority of them, they have a preceived value far greater than they are. Yes, we consume fuel. Do we consume three times more fuel now than four years ago? Four years ago in Columbus Ohio I bought gas at $.78 per gallon. It is now over $2 per gallon. What has changed in four years to tripple the price? There are people making tons of money, that is just a fact. I personally do not mind paying $10 per gallon if I knew it was due to shortage, but when I know it is just greed,
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According to the Associated Press and AAA, the high gas prices are not a deterrent in next weekend's holiday travels. People are still going to travel, and lake activity is expected to be as high, if not higher, than normal. So how high must gas prices go before folks finally decide it's not worth it? When the price regulators see that the high prices are being adequately absorbed (i.e., tolerated), they'll just keep inching them up. :mad:
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
It's almost to the breaking point for me. I usually drive ~28 miles to and from work (that includes going home for lunch) and I'm seriously considering taking my lunch to work to cut that mileage in half. At 15mpg in my truck that would save about $4 per day, $80 per month, $960 per year when gas is $2/gallon.
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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It's almost to the breaking point for me. I usually drive ~28 miles to and from work (that includes going home for lunch) and I'm seriously considering taking my lunch to work to cut that mileage in half. At 15mpg in my truck that would save about $4 per day, $80 per month, $960 per year when gas is $2/gallon.
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
Jason Henderson
blogHere in the LA area, regular has hit $2.30 and premium $2.51 Steve
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: how much more punishment must the environment take before more effort is put into research and development of non fossile fuel? IMHO I think it is already out there, but could you imagine what that would do to the economy and the oil companys would flip out.
R.Bischoff
They'd only flip out as they would not be able to add billions to their already collected billions (dollar, pound, kronor, euro, whatever). Humanity as a whole did not dissappear and die when we stopped using horses in favor for steam, or fossile fuel in favor for steam. -- Booohoo!
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It may take an extreme problem to get enough support for change. $3 per gallon? $4 per gallon? I bet most people out there would sacrifice other things in life before having to find alternate transportation methods because of expensive gas. In a way, I'd like to see gas prices skyrocket just to see some better alternatives to the good 'ol combustion engine come into the mainstream. Fossil fuels are sooooo 20th century. - Mike ------------------------- "No human being would stack books like that." - Dr. Venkman
Mike Hodnick wrote: ...see some better alternatives to the good 'ol combustion engine come into the mainstream. I've been saying this for nearly a decade now. It's actually been tried a few times (e.g., battery cars, hybrid cars, natural gas), all with none to some degree of success. The problem is that the folks that would lose money on the deal (i.e., oil & gas industry) have enough power to keep the alternative fuel sources out of the mainstream. It's sad really that money is their primary object, instead of what's right for our future.
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
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A more important questions is: how much more punishment must the environment take before more effort is put into research and development of non fossile fuel? -- Booohoo!
I'm not dissatisfied with the amount of R&D, although I don't know exactly how much that is, but too many folks would lose money if we lessened our need for oil and gas. I think that is the long pole in the tent.
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)