Christian Reconstructionism...
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That would be a scary prospect if we were not already living in a world in which the Secularists had successfully accomplished precisely the same goal.
Opps! not logged in. Hope everyone recognized my input! "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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Roger Wright wrote: they don't want anyone as old and out of date as I am So that was why Rob Manderson had to leave. ;)
"if you vote me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" - Michael P. Butler.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: I'll tell him you said that, just in case he misses it...:-D Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.
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The growing trend of (mostly religous) extremism in the US over recent years disturbs me. I remember one definition of a fanatic "You turn into what you fight against" :~ Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
'I remember one definition of a fanatic "You turn into what you fight against"' Maybe the secularist among us should take that warning to heart. I continue to be surprised that anyone would not expect this reaction from any community that has taken the sort of public beating that Christianity has over the last several decades. Of course they are going to become defensive. Of course they are going to react to actions takne against them. It is only natural. In the US at least Christianity does not have a history of this sort of behavior. It is only as they are driven out of every public sector that they now begin to turn and fight. Who the hell can blame them? "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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"Christian Reconstructionism - The Foundation of Modern Conservativism By revscat Sat May 22nd, 2004 at 03:47:58 PM EST "He presses the crown rights of the Lord Jesus Christ in every sphere, expecting eventual triumph." Christian Reconstructionism is a little heard of religious philosophy that preaches that every aspect of society must come under biblical law. In their view, secular governments are in opposition to the word of God, and therefore they seek to eliminate all legal barriers between church and state. Founded in 1973 by R.J. Rushdoony, it has had wide influence in the modern Republican party. The overriding goal of Reconstructionism is the absolute control of the reigns of government so that the world may be properly prepared for Jesus's return, and that achieving this goal will demonstrate the fulfillment of God's will...." http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/21/13392/6893[^] Keep voting for those Reps and Dems. Oh YEAH!!! :sigh: What's the deal with Christian extremists??? I don't get it.:confused: So I am thinking Canada or Australia for my next home.:) Later, JoeSox ""Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: it has had wide influence in the modern Republican party. Is there any proof of this?
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Jason Henderson
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JoeSox wrote: There is no mention of Ceasar in the bible. To the contrary, there are quite a few references: Mathew: Mt 22:17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” Mt 22:18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Mt 22:19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, Mt 22:20 and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?” Mt 22:21 “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Mark: Mk 12:14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Mk 12:15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?” But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” Mk 12:16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. Mk 12:17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” Luke: Lk 20:22 Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” Lk 20:23 He saw through their duplicity and said to them, Lk 20:24 “Show me a denarius. Whose portrait and inscription are on it?” Lk 20:25 “Caesar’s,” they replied. He said to them, “Then give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” There are another 10 or so references to Caesar in other contexts. John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
What Bible version is that? Mine was The New American version. Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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JoeSox wrote: There is no mention of Ceasar in the bible. To the contrary, there are quite a few references: Mathew: Mt 22:17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” Mt 22:18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Mt 22:19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, Mt 22:20 and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?” Mt 22:21 “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Mark: Mk 12:14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Mk 12:15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?” But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” Mk 12:16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. Mk 12:17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” Luke: Lk 20:22 Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” Lk 20:23 He saw through their duplicity and said to them, Lk 20:24 “Show me a denarius. Whose portrait and inscription are on it?” Lk 20:25 “Caesar’s,” they replied. He said to them, “Then give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” There are another 10 or so references to Caesar in other contexts. John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
My bad. Looks like this search engine let me down when I searched from "Caesar" http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/home.html[^] My NAB has the same passages. Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Ian Darling wrote: and we have a good ratio of loonies to mostly sane people So which way does JoeSox tip the balance?? :-D Dave
DRHuff wrote: So which way does JoeSox tip the balance?? :rolleyes: :eek: Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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JoeSox wrote: it has had wide influence in the modern Republican party. Is there any proof of this?
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: Is there any proof of this? Did you read the conclusion of the article? Perhaps more research could be found asking/searching about the Representatives and Senators listed below. "Reconstructionists would be of less concern if it were not so widely influential in American political circles. Rep. Tom DeLay, Rep. Joseph R. Pitts, Rep. Ron Young, Sen. Sam Brownback, and others are all supporters of the Reconstructionist agenda. Pres. Bush's policies are more often than not in total synchrony with Reconstructionist desires, and he has been energetically embraced by them. Most of the current administration's policies can be tied together under a common thread when looked at as an execution of Reconstructionist thought, and this is truly frightening for Americans of all religious traditions." Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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What Bible version is that? Mine was The New American version. Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: What Bible version is that? New International Version (NIV). For finding such things I use the on-disk Zondervan Bible Study Library (it has lots of other versions besides the NIV --- how many depends on which edition of the library you get). http://www.zondervan.com/features/Software/biblestudylibrary/default.htm[^] John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
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Aaron Eldreth wrote: Your summary of this is incorrect. The idea was if a child were to curse his parents (not swear, but to curse them with witchcraft), they would be put to death. Think about this. If they were to curse their parents using witchcraft, they wouldn't be following God would they? I think you got this confused with another point. So I'll reiterate. Under biblical law, if a male was not circumcised (and this is his parents responsibility), then he had to be punished through exile. As for my other points, there is a degree of tongue-in-cheekness going on (like my apron comment) - which also does try to interpret the law in the context of applying it to Western civilisation. You might also consider the needs to the transgendered (where's Anna when you want her?). Many people undergoing gender reassignment do exactly what that law opposes - present themselves to the world as their preferred/opposite sex, even if they haven't completed all their surgery. Nasty thoughts run through your head? Well, next time you see someone walking down the street - consider that it might be someone suffering from gender dysphoria - and are presenting themselves as the gender they wish to be, not the gender many would assume they are. Aaron Eldreth wrote: Would I personally like it? No. But, it would make a rapeist think twice before raping a girl. Wouldn't it? That is moronic on so many levels. Sorry - but it is. Given the tendency today for rapists frequently to be serial rapists, rapists in various regions of Africa to rape virgins because they think it will cure their AIDS, plus the existence of paedophilia, and other nonsense, that law is so undesirable, immoral (and results in some rapists getting multiple wives, and some even child brides), it doesn't bear thinking about. And no, it wouldn't make them think twice. So please go and reconsider your statement in light of the real world. It is evil and stupid.
Ian Darling wrote: Nasty thoughts run through your head? Well, next time you see someone walking down the street - consider that it might be someone suffering from gender dysphoria - and are presenting themselves as the gender they wish to be, not the gender many would assume they are. Thank you Ian. :rose: Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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JoeSox wrote: What Bible version is that? New International Version (NIV). For finding such things I use the on-disk Zondervan Bible Study Library (it has lots of other versions besides the NIV --- how many depends on which edition of the library you get). http://www.zondervan.com/features/Software/biblestudylibrary/default.htm[^] John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
John Carson wrote: "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy :omg::omg::omg: </sarcasm>What a communist! Good thing he is still not alive or Bush would behead him!</sarcasm> :rolleyes: Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Jason Henderson wrote: Is there any proof of this? Did you read the conclusion of the article? Perhaps more research could be found asking/searching about the Representatives and Senators listed below. "Reconstructionists would be of less concern if it were not so widely influential in American political circles. Rep. Tom DeLay, Rep. Joseph R. Pitts, Rep. Ron Young, Sen. Sam Brownback, and others are all supporters of the Reconstructionist agenda. Pres. Bush's policies are more often than not in total synchrony with Reconstructionist desires, and he has been energetically embraced by them. Most of the current administration's policies can be tied together under a common thread when looked at as an execution of Reconstructionist thought, and this is truly frightening for Americans of all religious traditions." Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
Granted, some politicians may favor Reconstructionism or whatever, but to say or imply that a majority of republicans subscribe to it does not sit well with me. Also, most Christians do think differently than non-christians so its not beyond the realm of possibility that Christians may govern in a way that reflects their values and beliefs. It may even seem like they are trying to change the world to suit their beliefs. But isn't that what everybody does that holds a position of power/influence? To tell you the truth, I would be much more frightened by someone without moral grounding trying to govern. But thats just my biased, right-wing, closed-minded, ignorant, homophobic, fanatical Christian opinion. :sigh:
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My bad. Looks like this search engine let me down when I searched from "Caesar" http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/home.html[^] My NAB has the same passages. Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Roger Wright wrote: they don't want anyone as old and out of date as I am So that was why Rob Manderson had to leave. ;)
"if you vote me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" - Michael P. Butler.
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Opps! not logged in. Hope everyone recognized my input! "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
We had our suspicions. ;) Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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Granted, some politicians may favor Reconstructionism or whatever, but to say or imply that a majority of republicans subscribe to it does not sit well with me. Also, most Christians do think differently than non-christians so its not beyond the realm of possibility that Christians may govern in a way that reflects their values and beliefs. It may even seem like they are trying to change the world to suit their beliefs. But isn't that what everybody does that holds a position of power/influence? To tell you the truth, I would be much more frightened by someone without moral grounding trying to govern. But thats just my biased, right-wing, closed-minded, ignorant, homophobic, fanatical Christian opinion. :sigh:
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: Granted, some politicians may favor Reconstructionism or whatever, but to say or imply that a majority of republicans subscribe to it does not sit well with me. Really? Who is the Republican leader currently? "God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear." —George W. Bush, Los Angeles, Calif., March 3, 2004 "I don't bring God into my life to — to, you know, kind of be a political person." —George W. Bush, interview with Tom Brokaw aboard Air Force One, April 24, 2003 "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." --Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger Fear controls it is a fact that can not be ignored and is why seperation of church and state is critical for any democratic/republic. "I have faith that with God's help we as a nation will move forward together as one nation, indivisible." DECEMBER 13, 2000 SPEAKER: PRESIDENT-ELECT GEORGE W. BUSH Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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'I remember one definition of a fanatic "You turn into what you fight against"' Maybe the secularist among us should take that warning to heart. I continue to be surprised that anyone would not expect this reaction from any community that has taken the sort of public beating that Christianity has over the last several decades. Of course they are going to become defensive. Of course they are going to react to actions takne against them. It is only natural. In the US at least Christianity does not have a history of this sort of behavior. It is only as they are driven out of every public sector that they now begin to turn and fight. Who the hell can blame them? "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
I firmly believe that the best advert for the Christian Faith is to act as Jesus taught us too - not to beat others up because they are different to any particular interpretation of what Christianity means. That's not "fighting" by any means. There's absolutely no place in my Faith for fundamentalism or literalism. I'll vote for a secular society (but without the PC rubbish that some seem to think goes with that) every time. Unfortunately Christianity does have a history of fundamentalism (look up the Defenestration of Prague, for example), so the danger is always there. I imagine life would become a lot less free in the West if more literal forms of Christianity took a hold again - and I doubt those in my position would survive that. For me at least, that's a very chilling prospect. Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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Jason Henderson wrote: Granted, some politicians may favor Reconstructionism or whatever, but to say or imply that a majority of republicans subscribe to it does not sit well with me. Really? Who is the Republican leader currently? "God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear." —George W. Bush, Los Angeles, Calif., March 3, 2004 "I don't bring God into my life to — to, you know, kind of be a political person." —George W. Bush, interview with Tom Brokaw aboard Air Force One, April 24, 2003 "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." --Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger Fear controls it is a fact that can not be ignored and is why seperation of church and state is critical for any democratic/republic. "I have faith that with God's help we as a nation will move forward together as one nation, indivisible." DECEMBER 13, 2000 SPEAKER: PRESIDENT-ELECT GEORGE W. BUSH Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: "God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear." —George W. Bush, Los Angeles, Calif., March 3, 2004 This is a general religious statement. He makes no reference to Christianity and trying to lead America to Jesus. JoeSox wrote: "I don't bring God into my life to — to, you know, kind of be a political person." —George W. Bush, interview with Tom Brokaw aboard Air Force One, April 24, 2003 This one just doesn't make sense. Classic Bushism, but I see no Reconstructionism as they define it. JoeSox wrote: "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." --Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular Hearsay. JoeSox wrote: "I have faith that with God's help we as a nation will move forward together as one nation, indivisible." DECEMBER 13, 2000 SPEAKER: PRESIDENT-ELECT GEORGE W. BUSH Another generally religious statement. JoeSox wrote: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" -- Apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 1:20) JoeSox wrote: Fear controls it is a fact that can not be ignored and is why seperation of church and state is critical for any democratic/republic. Which should be feared more: church or state?
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
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JoeSox wrote: "God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear." —George W. Bush, Los Angeles, Calif., March 3, 2004 This is a general religious statement. He makes no reference to Christianity and trying to lead America to Jesus. JoeSox wrote: "I don't bring God into my life to — to, you know, kind of be a political person." —George W. Bush, interview with Tom Brokaw aboard Air Force One, April 24, 2003 This one just doesn't make sense. Classic Bushism, but I see no Reconstructionism as they define it. JoeSox wrote: "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." --Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular Hearsay. JoeSox wrote: "I have faith that with God's help we as a nation will move forward together as one nation, indivisible." DECEMBER 13, 2000 SPEAKER: PRESIDENT-ELECT GEORGE W. BUSH Another generally religious statement. JoeSox wrote: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -- Seneca the Younger "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" -- Apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 1:20) JoeSox wrote: Fear controls it is a fact that can not be ignored and is why seperation of church and state is critical for any democratic/republic. Which should be feared more: church or state?
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: "God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear." —George W. Bush, Los Angeles, Calif., March 3, 2004 This is a general religious statement. He makes no reference to Christianity and trying to lead America to Jesus. True but context man. What is his concept of God? Jason Henderson wrote: Hearsay. I agree but it is still a possibility with the crap that comes out of GWB's mouth. Jason Henderson wrote: Another generally religious statement. Yes. Good thing for speech writers and GWB's ability to read them. Jason Henderson wrote: Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" -- Apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 1:20) "21 For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. ........ [21-25] True wisdom and power are to be found paradoxically where one would least expect them, in the place of their apparent negation. To human eyes the crucified Christ symbolizes impotence and absurdity." Supports the paradoxical statement of Seneca the Younger "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Jason Henderson wrote: Which should be feared more: church or state? Silly question in regards to this conversation, imo. I am talking about Power(State) using Religion(Church) to send fear to control. So I still stand by my statement "Fear controls it is a fact that can not be ignored and is why separation of church and state is critical for any democratic/republic." State should be control by logic, not decisions based upon fear. Later, JoeSox "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein joeswammi.com ↔
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Ian Darling wrote: Now you mention it, that is curious. It's really just a throwback to two things 1. people not knowing how the Bible works ( in terms of OT vs NT ) 2. people naturally being drawn to lists of rules. Ian Darling wrote: Why not just stick up some variation of the Golden Rule instead Jesus said that the law is contained in two things, love God with all your being, and love other people the way you want to be loved. That's definately something worth putting on the wall, but even then, words on a wall are pretty useless IMO. If you show those attitudes ( or just the second, if you don't believe in God ), then you're far more likely to pass them on than if you just write them somewhere and forget about them. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: Why not just stick up some variation of the Golden Rule Golden Rule #1 Do unto others as they would do unto you - only do it first. Golden Rule # 2 Them that has the gold - makes the rules. Religion causes wars. Peace begats religion. Its a circle folks. Makes you dizzy. Richard "He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice. --Albert Einstein