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      Hmm. A puzzle I actually solved almost immediately. That doesn't happen often. Do we know what it says about the psychology of the player? Dr Herbie Remember, half the people out there have below average IQs.

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        solved !!


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          i dont get it at all absolutely clueless :(


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            i dont get it at all absolutely clueless :(


            "there is no spoon"
            biz stuff   about me

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            Jorgen Sigvardsson
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            Hint: The rose is one symbol and the petals are other symbols. Think about how these are related to eachother. The petals are around the rose, right? Now, if you look at the dice, what's around what? Then count them. :) -- Booohoo!

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              Hmm. A puzzle I actually solved almost immediately. That doesn't happen often. Do we know what it says about the psychology of the player? Dr Herbie Remember, half the people out there have below average IQs.

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              The professor mentioned in the description below the puzzle explained that the smarter you are, the longer it takes to solve. I say, "BS". All those fun little IQ tests test for many things, one of which is visual acuity - something I excel at. Solving this "puzzle" was not at all puzzling.

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                Hint: The rose is one symbol and the petals are other symbols. Think about how these are related to eachother. The petals are around the rose, right? Now, if you look at the dice, what's around what? Then count them. :) -- Booohoo!

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                thanks for the hint. i finally got it. i was thinking the middle dice was the rose and the dice on either side were the petals. that didn't work. Josef Wainz Software Developer

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                  The professor mentioned in the description below the puzzle explained that the smarter you are, the longer it takes to solve. I say, "BS". All those fun little IQ tests test for many things, one of which is visual acuity - something I excel at. Solving this "puzzle" was not at all puzzling.

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                  Definitely. It is very similar to IQ style tests. They are all about spoting patterns. Even without the hint about the patterns, it's not that hard to match counts with the faces of the die that came up.


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                    Easy

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                      After I found out what "petal" means in german, it was actually quite easy. Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!

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                        Only took about 4 rolls before I figured it out. ----------------------------------------------------- Bush To Iraqi Militants: 'Please Stop Bringing It On' - The Onion

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                          A story in Hard Drive[^] mentions that Bill Gates took a very long time to answer correctly. The name of the puzzle was told to him, i.e. it wasn't written down. When he did finally get it right, one of the other players discovered that he'd written down the name of the game incorrectly. They concluded that he'd actually memorised the answers to the possible combinations of dice. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder

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                            Definitely. It is very similar to IQ style tests. They are all about spoting patterns. Even without the hint about the patterns, it's not that hard to match counts with the faces of the die that came up.


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                            I'm not so sure if that particular test is a pattern matching test. I think it's more of a test on how you abstract things. A rose and a petal for instance, differ in reality in how they look. The dots on the dice does not differ in how they look, but where they are placed. So basically it's about matching one set of differences with another. A traditional pattern matching test would be "here are 4 dies, what's the 5th?". Anyway, I agree with Heath that "smartness" isn't really measured with these tests. Take the Mensa tests for instance. I find them rather easy to solve. At the same time, I've done a whole bunch of stupid things in my life. I may have an advantage at figuring out abstract figures, but my share of disadvantages evens that out. -- Booohoo!

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                              I'm not so sure if that particular test is a pattern matching test. I think it's more of a test on how you abstract things. A rose and a petal for instance, differ in reality in how they look. The dots on the dice does not differ in how they look, but where they are placed. So basically it's about matching one set of differences with another. A traditional pattern matching test would be "here are 4 dies, what's the 5th?". Anyway, I agree with Heath that "smartness" isn't really measured with these tests. Take the Mensa tests for instance. I find them rather easy to solve. At the same time, I've done a whole bunch of stupid things in my life. I may have an advantage at figuring out abstract figures, but my share of disadvantages evens that out. -- Booohoo!

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                              Here is the same problem in a pattern matching form. ABACD, 6 AAABA, 2 ABAAA, 2 CEDBB, 8 BBBBB, ? I've definitely seen that type of problem on IQ tests.


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                                Here is the same problem in a pattern matching form. ABACD, 6 AAABA, 2 ABAAA, 2 CEDBB, 8 BBBBB, ? I've definitely seen that type of problem on IQ tests.


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                                Yep, it's a similar problem, it's just not using concrete symbols (such as dies). The thing is though that these type of problems have a common "solution" - always look for a common symbology. But I'm not sure if it's a measure in IQ. I mean, anybody can master these puzzles with training. Sure, you can make it more difficult by making the dependencies between the different symbols mathematically harder. But given time, anyone can if they have the will, to learn. In fact, I'm not even sure what intelligence really is. I've read books on the topic, but I'm still not any wiser now than before I read the books. Got any insights? :) ps. The obvious solution to this particular problem is 10; if you substitute each letter with their corresponding ordinal, the sum of all even ordinals equals the right column. I can't see any other solution, but I may be wrong. Are there any other solutions? -- Booohoo!

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                                  Yep, it's a similar problem, it's just not using concrete symbols (such as dies). The thing is though that these type of problems have a common "solution" - always look for a common symbology. But I'm not sure if it's a measure in IQ. I mean, anybody can master these puzzles with training. Sure, you can make it more difficult by making the dependencies between the different symbols mathematically harder. But given time, anyone can if they have the will, to learn. In fact, I'm not even sure what intelligence really is. I've read books on the topic, but I'm still not any wiser now than before I read the books. Got any insights? :) ps. The obvious solution to this particular problem is 10; if you substitute each letter with their corresponding ordinal, the sum of all even ordinals equals the right column. I can't see any other solution, but I may be wrong. Are there any other solutions? -- Booohoo!

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                                  doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. I was just agreeing that the comment about smart people having a hard time with it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is very similar to puzzles that people use to define intelligence. As far as intelligence goes I'm as clueless as anybody.


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                                    Hmmm. I must be fairly stupid; 30 tries and haven't missed one yet. Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.

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                                      doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. I was just agreeing that the comment about smart people having a hard time with it doesn't make a lot of sense. It is very similar to puzzles that people use to define intelligence. As far as intelligence goes I'm as clueless as anybody.


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                                      andy brummer wrote: doh, got the translation wrong. but you get the point, should have been C=2, E=4 ugh. :confused: -- Booohoo!

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                                        The professor mentioned in the description below the puzzle explained that the smarter you are, the longer it takes to solve. I say, "BS". All those fun little IQ tests test for many things, one of which is visual acuity - something I excel at. Solving this "puzzle" was not at all puzzling.

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                                        Err... I gave up :)) The tigress is here :-D

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                                          A story in Hard Drive[^] mentions that Bill Gates took a very long time to answer correctly. The name of the puzzle was told to him, i.e. it wasn't written down. When he did finally get it right, one of the other players discovered that he'd written down the name of the game incorrectly. They concluded that he'd actually memorised the answers to the possible combinations of dice. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder

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                                          http://member.melbpc.org.au/~lborrett/computing/petals-bg.htm[^]

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