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  • M Marc Clifton

    At a consumption rate of 20M bpd, and reserve of 660M barrles (265M sweet, 395M sour), that makes for about 33 days of reserve, give or take, depending on what's being consumed, how much, and 100% disruption of other sources. But the reality of it is, if there is a major disruption, the trading price of oil is going to go through the roof, gas prices are going escalate, and certain people are going to get very rich, regardless of whether there's a reserve or not. Expecting to control prices by having/using a reserve is ridiculous. The market responds to fear, not logic. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog

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    Mike Gaskey
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    Marc Clifton wrote: Expecting to control prices by having/using a reserve is ridiculous. I don't think the reserve is for public consumption. I believe it is a military reserve, but I could be wrong. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry

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      Chris Losinger wrote: last i heard, he just wants to stop filling it (adding to it) for a while. Same here. Each election cycle the out of office party uses the reserve as an issue. I've seen the GOP harp on it with Clinton in office, ditto the Demos with Bush in. No doubt both groups would bitch about it if Nader got the nod. I believe there's 1M barrels a day going in, wtih something like 650,000M barrels already stored. Ever wonder what would happen if terrorist dropped a match down that particular hole? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry

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      scadaguy
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      Mike Gaskey wrote: Ever wonder what would happen if terrorist dropped a match down that particular hole? Don't give them any ideas! :eek:

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      • M Mike Gaskey

        Marc Clifton wrote: Expecting to control prices by having/using a reserve is ridiculous. I don't think the reserve is for public consumption. I believe it is a military reserve, but I could be wrong. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry

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        Jeremy Falcon
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        I used to work for the SPR (Strategic Petroleum Reserve). Basically, I was told there was enough oil in there (read: more than one location) to keep the entire country going for 2-3 months without any imports. Jeremy Falcon

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        • M Mike Gaskey

          Chris Losinger wrote: last i heard, he just wants to stop filling it (adding to it) for a while. Same here. Each election cycle the out of office party uses the reserve as an issue. I've seen the GOP harp on it with Clinton in office, ditto the Demos with Bush in. No doubt both groups would bitch about it if Nader got the nod. I believe there's 1M barrels a day going in, wtih something like 650,000M barrels already stored. Ever wonder what would happen if terrorist dropped a match down that particular hole? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry

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          Chris Losinger
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          Mike Gaskey wrote: Ever wonder what would happen if terrorist dropped a match down that particular hole? the gulf coast would look like Kuwait for a few weeks. Software | Cleek

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          • J Jeremy Falcon

            I used to work for the SPR (Strategic Petroleum Reserve). Basically, I was told there was enough oil in there (read: more than one location) to keep the entire country going for 2-3 months without any imports. Jeremy Falcon

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            Chris Losinger
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            ~700m barrels at roughly 20m / day = 35 days. :sigh: Software | Cleek

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              ~700m barrels at roughly 20m / day = 35 days. :sigh: Software | Cleek

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              Jeremy Falcon
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              Well, it's also been a year since I've worked there, so I should qualify that with an "at the time" I reckon. :) Jeremy Falcon

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              • J Jeremy Falcon

                Well, it's also been a year since I've worked there, so I should qualify that with an "at the time" I reckon. :) Jeremy Falcon

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                Chris Losinger
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                our consumption has gone up pretty significantly, too... even from that 20m/day number (from 2002). damn, we're hooked on the stuff. Software | Cleek

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                  our consumption has gone up pretty significantly, too... even from that 20m/day number (from 2002). damn, we're hooked on the stuff. Software | Cleek

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                  Jeremy Falcon
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                  Chris Losinger wrote: damn, we're hooked on the stuff. Yeah, an oil slushy kicks ass. :) Jeremy Falcon

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                    ~700m barrels at roughly 20m / day = 35 days. :sigh: Software | Cleek

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                    scadaguy
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                    The maximum rate at which oil can be pumped from the reserve is 4.3m bpd[^]. So I guess we have 700 / 4.3 = 162 days :rolleyes:

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                      The maximum rate at which oil can be pumped from the reserve is 4.3m bpd[^]. So I guess we have 700 / 4.3 = 162 days :rolleyes:

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                      Chris Losinger
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                      heh... yeah, at 20% of our current usage. no problem here, i could stand working at home 80% of the time. Software | Cleek

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                        heh... yeah, at 20% of our current usage. no problem here, i could stand working at home 80% of the time. Software | Cleek

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                        Jeremy Falcon
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                        Well according to this[^], in 2003 623 million barrels would last us two months. And, this was after the 2002 20 mbd estimate. Jeremy Falcon

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                        • J Jeremy Falcon

                          Well according to this[^], in 2003 623 million barrels would last us two months. And, this was after the 2002 20 mbd estimate. Jeremy Falcon

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                          Chris Losinger
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                          calculator war! :) In 2003, 628 million barrels provide 54 days of net import protection. that only accounts for 11.5mb/day. i wonder if they're including domestic production as an offset. either way, we'd be fucked. Software | Cleek

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                            calculator war! :) In 2003, 628 million barrels provide 54 days of net import protection. that only accounts for 11.5mb/day. i wonder if they're including domestic production as an offset. either way, we'd be fucked. Software | Cleek

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                            Jeremy Falcon
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                            Chris Losinger wrote: i wonder if they're including domestic production as an offset. Maybe. I wonder how much we produce. Chris Losinger wrote: either way, we'd be f***ed. Totally. Even simple stuff like cutting grass would be effected. Jeremy Falcon

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