SUN may open source Solaris
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Now this is an interesting development. Don't know how this would affect the Linux space. Solaris may be opened up[^] There are no failures.. only extended learning opportunities.
This is just another evil plan for trashing Linux. :~
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Now this is an interesting development. Don't know how this would affect the Linux space. Solaris may be opened up[^] There are no failures.. only extended learning opportunities.
retZ wrote: Don't know how this would affect the Linux space. Open source doesnt mean free, I suspect you will still need a license to use it in a production enviroment. top secret xacc-ide 0.0.1
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Now this is an interesting development. Don't know how this would affect the Linux space. Solaris may be opened up[^] There are no failures.. only extended learning opportunities.
It may have made sense in the past, but running Solaris today is an anachronism, IMO. You get the ease of use and the learning curve of Unix with the disadvantages of non-free software, namely Windows. Yes, even I am blogging now!
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retZ wrote: Don't know how this would affect the Linux space. Open source doesnt mean free, I suspect you will still need a license to use it in a production enviroment. top secret xacc-ide 0.0.1
leppie wrote: Open source doesnt mean free, I suspect you will still need a license to use it in a production enviroment. The software itself is free..But you will have to shell out money for Support & Troubleshooting. There are no failures.. only extended learning opportunities.
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It may have made sense in the past, but running Solaris today is an anachronism, IMO. You get the ease of use and the learning curve of Unix with the disadvantages of non-free software, namely Windows. Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: It may have made sense in the past, but running Solaris today is an anachronism, IMO I have somehow found that OS to be rock solid. I think it still packs a punch in the server space although Windows & Linux are almost there.. There are no failures.. only extended learning opportunities.
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leppie wrote: Open source doesnt mean free, I suspect you will still need a license to use it in a production enviroment. The software itself is free..But you will have to shell out money for Support & Troubleshooting. There are no failures.. only extended learning opportunities.
retZ wrote: The software itself is free.. Sometimes it is not, like the OS-X.. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com
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This is just another evil plan for trashing Linux. :~
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Daniel Turini wrote: It may have made sense in the past, but running Solaris today is an anachronism, IMO I have somehow found that OS to be rock solid. I think it still packs a punch in the server space although Windows & Linux are almost there.. There are no failures.. only extended learning opportunities.
I was reading this yesterday (we have a few clients running Sun servers, and thought I had better find out) and got the impression they were going to go down the Red Hat road and essentially leave the lower end of the market to persue the enterprise market full time. They have a small market share and probably need the resources to compete with Microsoft, Linux, Unix etc if the expect to maintain and possibly expand it. Business wise it makes sense and they are not suffering from the good PR. That aside it is a solid platform and would make a viable "free" solution for smaller business/government.
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This is just another evil plan for trashing Linux. :~
AK wrote: This is just another evil plan for trashing Linux. Please don't let me interupt your explaination ... I am a devout Linux user (it is all I run at home) and I see nothing in Sun's move that is either "evil" or "trashing Linux". ... Or are you one of these clowns that see an OS (operating system, not Open Source) mentioned somewhere and try for your penguin of the month badge by talking #$%@ (sorry sis)
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AK wrote: This is just another evil plan for trashing Linux. Please don't let me interupt your explaination ... I am a devout Linux user (it is all I run at home) and I see nothing in Sun's move that is either "evil" or "trashing Linux". ... Or are you one of these clowns that see an OS (operating system, not Open Source) mentioned somewhere and try for your penguin of the month badge by talking #$%@ (sorry sis)
Lol. I'm actually the opposite of a devoted *nix person. And to heck with a "penguin of the month badge" my remark was a sarcastic remark that sun is trying to do the same thing sco did.
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Lol. I'm actually the opposite of a devoted *nix person. And to heck with a "penguin of the month badge" my remark was a sarcastic remark that sun is trying to do the same thing sco did.
AK wrote: sun is trying to do the same thing sco did Could you please refrain from using the SCO word my sister may be reading.
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It may have made sense in the past, but running Solaris today is an anachronism, IMO. You get the ease of use and the learning curve of Unix with the disadvantages of non-free software, namely Windows. Yes, even I am blogging now!
Well I think for places that have really big server requirements, i.e. 32-64 + processors, etc. Solaris/Sun hardware are still pretty hard to beat, stuff like hot swappable CPU's, really high io throughput and other things that I think Windows just doesn't quite have yet. As I understand it, there are things that you can do to the kernel that on Solaris do *not* require rebooting, whereas on other *nix OS's (and certainly Windows) it would. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
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Well I think for places that have really big server requirements, i.e. 32-64 + processors, etc. Solaris/Sun hardware are still pretty hard to beat, stuff like hot swappable CPU's, really high io throughput and other things that I think Windows just doesn't quite have yet. As I understand it, there are things that you can do to the kernel that on Solaris do *not* require rebooting, whereas on other *nix OS's (and certainly Windows) it would. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
Yes, for all the hype surrounding Linux, people forget that Solaris is an extremely stable (and for the past few years, free) platform. I've used it for about 7 years now, and the only time it's crashed was due to user-stupidity (I wont go into this, but it involved me removing an essential system library) - I know a lot of big companies, with even bigger servers, will swear by this stability. As Jim correctly states, there is a lot more to Solaris than it just being an old Unix clone, and Sun provide a vast array of support options and ancillary server programs that Linux doesn't yet have. I don't see the release of the source code affecting anyone other than big companies who want to tweak the kernel for their specific requirements (and surprisingly, this does happen). Maybe it's also an open challenge to their new best friend Microsoft...
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Well I think for places that have really big server requirements, i.e. 32-64 + processors, etc. Solaris/Sun hardware are still pretty hard to beat, stuff like hot swappable CPU's, really high io throughput and other things that I think Windows just doesn't quite have yet. As I understand it, there are things that you can do to the kernel that on Solaris do *not* require rebooting, whereas on other *nix OS's (and certainly Windows) it would. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
You do have a point that its rock solid but I reciently took a course in writting system level code for various unixes and the main problem i have with Solaris is that its not fully posix complient. Usually if you write a program you dont want all sorts of special cases based on the OS and unfortunatly i did not find this with solaris. Some of the libraries had functions that didnt have the same prototypes as their posix bretheren did and at times it was completely missing functions from the SYSV library assuming it had it at all. Im not gonna say its not a good platform because its definitly stable but you cant expect to write portable c code for unix and expect it to work on solaris. If you want something to work on solaris design it for solaris in the first place.
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You do have a point that its rock solid but I reciently took a course in writting system level code for various unixes and the main problem i have with Solaris is that its not fully posix complient. Usually if you write a program you dont want all sorts of special cases based on the OS and unfortunatly i did not find this with solaris. Some of the libraries had functions that didnt have the same prototypes as their posix bretheren did and at times it was completely missing functions from the SYSV library assuming it had it at all. Im not gonna say its not a good platform because its definitly stable but you cant expect to write portable c code for unix and expect it to work on solaris. If you want something to work on solaris design it for solaris in the first place.
DQuigley wrote: If you want something to work on solaris design it for solaris in the first place. Or use Java. :-D Yes, even I am blogging now!
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You do have a point that its rock solid but I reciently took a course in writting system level code for various unixes and the main problem i have with Solaris is that its not fully posix complient. Usually if you write a program you dont want all sorts of special cases based on the OS and unfortunatly i did not find this with solaris. Some of the libraries had functions that didnt have the same prototypes as their posix bretheren did and at times it was completely missing functions from the SYSV library assuming it had it at all. Im not gonna say its not a good platform because its definitly stable but you cant expect to write portable c code for unix and expect it to work on solaris. If you want something to work on solaris design it for solaris in the first place.
DQuigley wrote: but you cant expect to write portable c code for unix and expect it to work on solaris Absolutely right. Forget about different Unix flavors, portability is a pain even within the different Solaris versions itself . I have spent many a long hour just trying to make an app developed in Solaris 2.6 work in Solaris 2.8. Dont know how far this is true..but my project mgr always claims that the biggest mistake Sun did was to move from SUN OS to Solaris without ensuring backward compatibility for apps developed in SUN OS. Users were forced to rewrite their SUN OS apps...HOwever, instead of rewriting it in Solaris, they started re-writing it in Windows. Rest is history :) There are no failures.. only extended learning opportunities.