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pankajdaga wrote: I thought Apple had the mouse long before M$. Yes indeed. But the innovative Bill Gates (sic thief) was able to perfect it. :cool: pankajdaga wrote: Unbelievable, soon we will have to pay royalties for breathing. I have started applying for this one after see your post (Reference to the stealing of ideas from above ;P). So start saving your money as the price of one breath will soon exceed the price for a gallon of gas. If this goes through, I wonder if the DOJ (Department of Justice) will see me as a monopoly??? :-D:-D:-D Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Wackatronic wrote: the price of one breath will soon exceed the price for a gallon of gas. Wackatronic wrote: wonder if the DOJ (Department of Justice) will see me as a monopoly??? I'd be more worried that the DOJ will charge you for murder if someone dies of lack of air!
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Wackatronic wrote: the price of one breath will soon exceed the price for a gallon of gas. Wackatronic wrote: wonder if the DOJ (Department of Justice) will see me as a monopoly??? I'd be more worried that the DOJ will charge you for murder if someone dies of lack of air!
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Ahh but that's your right as a patent holder. As a patent holder on air you are under no obligation to license to everyone. Only to those you want to. So if you decide to revoke our Most Glorious and Illustrious AG Ashcroft's license to breath air, then I think you are well within your rights! :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
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Microsoft patented click & double click functionality in hardware buttons. As far as I know, it can't be applied to mouse buttons, but it can be applied to any other hardware button, Palm, Watches, Handheld PCs and any other. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=6,727,830.WKU.&OS=PN/6,727,830&RS=PN/6,727,830[^]
Hey the patent office must be a lucrative going concern. I wonder if you can buy shares in it! ;P Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
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Ahh but that's your right as a patent holder. As a patent holder on air you are under no obligation to license to everyone. Only to those you want to. So if you decide to revoke our Most Glorious and Illustrious AG Ashcroft's license to breath air, then I think you are well within your rights! :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
Wow. Never thought about limiting only certain people. Opens up a whole new world for me. ;P Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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While silly, I have yet to hear of an instance where MS used a patent to bully someone in court (does anyone have any links?). I think MS is doing alot of defensive patenting - which is a strong indication of how f'ed up our patent office is. MS is, I think, scared of another 'web browser plugin' patent being shoved in their face by a company that does nothing more than buy patents and sue companies. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
With them things rarely get to court. Everyone knows how much money they have so merely the threat of action usually terrifies people. Even when they have a legitimate issue. __________________________________________ a two cent stamp short of going postal.
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pankajdaga wrote: I thought Apple had the mouse long before M$. Yes indeed. But the innovative Bill Gates (sic thief) was able to perfect it. :cool: pankajdaga wrote: Unbelievable, soon we will have to pay royalties for breathing. I have started applying for this one after see your post (Reference to the stealing of ideas from above ;P). So start saving your money as the price of one breath will soon exceed the price for a gallon of gas. If this goes through, I wonder if the DOJ (Department of Justice) will see me as a monopoly??? :-D:-D:-D Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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Wackatronic wrote: I wonder if the DOJ (Department of Justice) will see me as a monopoly??? No, because apparently Microsoft is the only monopoly that exists. Ticketmaster isn't, nope. No unfair practices there! Neither are regional cable providers like Mediacom, ComCast, etc. Nope, not like they've got a monopoly on the region they cover (your only choice is a different medium or move). I think the big problem here is money. Think of all the taxes the gov't makes from ticket prices from Ticketmaster (TM takes the largest percentage, though artists make more from concerts than they do from CD sales since RIAA takes a majority of that). Think of all the taxes generated from the rising cost of cable. Now think of the relatively small amount of taxes made from software sales, especially in volume and developer licensing that are becoming more and more popular, or how you can buy software online without paying taxes (depending on location) while the same isn't true for tickets online (there may be no state tax, but other taxes are rolled-in like with airline ticketS). It's all about money. While our representatives are supposed to represent us, they typically come from higher classes than the majority of people (middle-middle class). They get rich and stay rich any way they can. Although I'm republican, I think anyone who thinks "trickle down" works is insane and an idiot. The brunt of money only exchanges between the un-worked hands. Okay - got a little side-tracked there (I can't stand incombent politicians - any of them). I'm also not arguing for or against Microsoft being a monopoly, just that money seems to be the driving factor. If the government made more money through taxes I doubt we'd see a struggle here. So, when you get your patent on breathing (and it'll pass since the USPTO is too stupid and doesn't check for prior art), make sure you incorporate a "shload" of taxes to pass of to the government and I'm sure you'll be fine. PS: For that legal/financial advice, do you think I can get a kick-back on breathing? :)
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I thought Apple had the mouse long before M$. Unbelievable, soon we will have to pay royalties for breathing. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
pankajdaga wrote: I thought Apple had the mouse long before M$. Yes, a guy at the stanford research institute created the mouse. Xerox Parc picked up the work, and then Apple picked it up from them. (Which I'm mentioning only so that people don't think Apple created the mouse.) http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/[^] ----------------------------------------------------- Bush To Iraqi Militants: 'Please Stop Bringing It On' - The Onion "Moore's prominent presence in the news brings to light some serious questions, such as 'Can't he at least try to look presentable?'" - The Onion
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Microsoft patented click & double click functionality in hardware buttons. As far as I know, it can't be applied to mouse buttons, but it can be applied to any other hardware button, Palm, Watches, Handheld PCs and any other. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=6,727,830.WKU.&OS=PN/6,727,830&RS=PN/6,727,830[^]
Do note that this patent is actually extremely narrow (unlike, say, Amazon's "one-click" patent.) I do question it's validity since digital watches have done what this patent describes for years. Even most CD players do essentially this with fast forward/reverse. Even if prior art is not cited, the process described is extremely obvious which should have discounted it. Unfortunately, current patent office in all countries are not staffed by the best or the brightest, to be generous. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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The patent covers a) only a button that oepns an application b) various possibilities to modify the startup behavior (such as opening a new document, start recording, running a user-defined action etc.) depending on how the button is pressed [edit]c) only "limited resource computing devices"
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While silly, I have yet to hear of an instance where MS used a patent to bully someone in court (does anyone have any links?). I think MS is doing alot of defensive patenting - which is a strong indication of how f'ed up our patent office is. MS is, I think, scared of another 'web browser plugin' patent being shoved in their face by a company that does nothing more than buy patents and sue companies. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
There was a discussion about this on /. some time back. Basically, defensive patents are completely pointless. You know how you defend against patents? Make sure any prior art it published as soon as possible. Yeah, the USPTO - being full of lazy dumbasses - will probably grant a patent to someone else (who spent quite a bit of money filing for the patent and for up-keep) but making sure that prior art is published is how you defend against the patent.
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There was a discussion about this on /. some time back. Basically, defensive patents are completely pointless. You know how you defend against patents? Make sure any prior art it published as soon as possible. Yeah, the USPTO - being full of lazy dumbasses - will probably grant a patent to someone else (who spent quite a bit of money filing for the patent and for up-keep) but making sure that prior art is published is how you defend against the patent.
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I agree - the outcome will be the same. But there is still the legal cost to the defense process that companies are going to try and mitigate. I'm willing to bet that companies have determined (correctly or not) that it costs less to maintain a 'defense' patent portfolio than it does to provide an affirmative defense of prior art everytime some jackass company-of-patent-lawyers tries to grab some of your cash via the utterly broken patent system. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy