Argh...
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If most of Britons are against the European Union, it would be better for both that UK leaves the EU. EU in its current shaê will crumble in a few years anyway. Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: I wonder if these same people would like the UK to become the next state of the US? Oh, so it isn't the case already, then... ;P
Il n'y a que deux puissances au monde, le sabre et l'esprit : à la longue, le sabre est toujours vaincu par l'esprit.
Fine, if people have the facts, but they don't Karl - they get fed a load of shit by certain sections of the media. If we leave the EU based on some of the xenophobic crap they print in The Sun, Daily Mail, etc. then that would be very sad for all.
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Fine, if people have the facts, but they don't Karl - they get fed a load of shit by certain sections of the media. If we leave the EU based on some of the xenophobic crap they print in The Sun, Daily Mail, etc. then that would be very sad for all.
I don't believe xenophobic crap is limited to UK only, far from that: for example, look at the results of the "Vlaams Blok" in Belgium or the infamous "Front National" in France. The media are propagating fear worldwide, people get terrified of everything, leading to mistrust, closed minds, rejection of the difference... and it's just a beginning :|
Il n'y a que deux puissances au monde, le sabre et l'esprit : à la longue, le sabre est toujours vaincu par l'esprit.
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I got a piece of mail the other day (under voter registration I put not affiliated [if it was a true multiparty system and a democracy why the f*k do they even ask that]) and i got a mid-sized envolope that had a color flag the words "Bush" "Photo" and "Enclosed" that was enough my brain identified it as spam and teh removal process begain, thus promptly destorying the envolope and contents beyond recognition. -Steven Hicks
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(Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: "Bush" "Photo" and "Enclosed" You may have made your decision too hastily. ;)
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Yeh, the ballot paper was most amusing - I had to fold it again and again and again before the bloody thing would fit in the ballot box! I do hope George Galloway's "Respect" party loses its deposit. I think the guys a total wanker. Iraq war aside, his new party is a bunch of Socialists who want to re-nationalise all the utilities and "put the brakes on big business". Fuck off back to your enormous Portuguese villa George, you fucking tosspot. I think UKIP will do very well when the final count is in - nicely splitting the Tory vote (which is good news as far as I am concerned). A lot of bullshit about Europe has been spouted by the right-wing press, and people lap it up and hence are voting to get the UK out of Europe altogether. What madness. I'm not the EUs biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination, but even I can see the writing is on the wall and I'd rather we were on the inside with some influence than outside with no fucking say whatsoever. I wonder if these same people would like the UK to become the next state of the US? Perhaps they are harbouring dewy-eyed feelings about how we can stand on our own two feet like we did back in the Colonial days when we ruled half the world! If we leave Europe then one day we'll be crawling back to them or to Washington with our cap in hands, begging to be saved. Also, according to Newsnight, Blair still has a higher approval/trustworthy rating than Michael Howard - even with so many against the Iraq war, it's nice to know that people can see what an odious toad the Tory leader is! How I grinned when I saw that. Blair must have wet his pants laughing so hard the day Howard become Tory leader - "something of the night" indeed. The guys a fucking vampire.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: I think UKIP will do very well when the final count is in - nicely splitting the Tory vote (which is good news as far as I am concerned). I wonder how many people voted UKIP because they couldn't vote in good conscience for one of the three main ones? A lot of the interviews in the news last night suggested that many UKIP voters were protest voting generally, and will switch back to their usual paarties for the General Election next year. Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Also, according to Newsnight, Blair still has a higher approval/trustworthy rating than Michael Howard - even with so many against the Iraq war, it's nice to know that people can see what an odious toad the Tory leader is! I'd guess that is a result of the Poll Tax effect on Howard. And the only Home Secretary worse than Howard ever was is 'Big' Blunkett himself (who really needs to be kicked out for crimes against humanity. I think his odious US counterpart Ashcroft might even be preferable to him).
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: I think UKIP will do very well when the final count is in - nicely splitting the Tory vote (which is good news as far as I am concerned). I wonder how many people voted UKIP because they couldn't vote in good conscience for one of the three main ones? A lot of the interviews in the news last night suggested that many UKIP voters were protest voting generally, and will switch back to their usual paarties for the General Election next year. Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Also, according to Newsnight, Blair still has a higher approval/trustworthy rating than Michael Howard - even with so many against the Iraq war, it's nice to know that people can see what an odious toad the Tory leader is! I'd guess that is a result of the Poll Tax effect on Howard. And the only Home Secretary worse than Howard ever was is 'Big' Blunkett himself (who really needs to be kicked out for crimes against humanity. I think his odious US counterpart Ashcroft might even be preferable to him).
Ian Darling wrote: many UKIP voters were protest voting generally, Isn't it the same for the votes for Liberal Democrats? Or is the rise of a "new" major party?
Il n'y a que deux puissances au monde, le sabre et l'esprit : à la longue, le sabre est toujours vaincu par l'esprit.
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Ian Darling wrote: many UKIP voters were protest voting generally, Isn't it the same for the votes for Liberal Democrats? Or is the rise of a "new" major party?
Il n'y a que deux puissances au monde, le sabre et l'esprit : à la longue, le sabre est toujours vaincu par l'esprit.
I think it's different for the LibDems - I can't see many people voting for a single issue party like UKIP when the next general election comes around. I still think they need a "None of the above" box on the ballot paper + mandatory voting. Then we'd see just how many people are disenchanted with party politics.
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(Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: "Bush" "Photo" and "Enclosed" You may have made your decision too hastily. ;)
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Putting the laughter back into slaughter
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Possibly, but I doubt it. You usually have to pay for those.;P Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.
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Ian Darling wrote: many UKIP voters were protest voting generally, Isn't it the same for the votes for Liberal Democrats? Or is the rise of a "new" major party?
Il n'y a que deux puissances au monde, le sabre et l'esprit : à la longue, le sabre est toujours vaincu par l'esprit.
KaЯl wrote: Isn't it the same for the votes for Liberal Democrats? Or is the rise of a "new" major party? Not really either way - the various incarnations of the Liberal parties in the UK have been the "third" party since the 1920s (when Labour started) - Liberal Democrat support is usually around the 20% mark - and higher in local elections (which is where their strength is). http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/vote2004/locals/html/scoreboard.stm[^] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democrats_%28UK%29[^]
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:laugh::laugh::laugh: Possibly, but I doubt it. You usually have to pay for those.;P Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.
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Navin wrote: I'd hate to live in a country with more than 2 major political parties. Oh, it's not so bad. I only got junk mail from the Conservative party, and one email from a lobby group I'd never heard of. Although my voting form yesterday for the EU elections was a mile foot long, and more than half of it was taken up by crank single issue parties (Respect, ProLife, UKIP, Christian Alliance, BNP, etc) - so that's the downside. At least we have three more-or-less sane parties, rather than two insane ones :-)