An Anti-GMail Perspective
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http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/[^] And the profile of a GMail user: http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/gprofile.html[^] Ok.. I've never used GMail so I personally have no idea what the big deal is about... sure you get 1GB of storage for your emails but whats the big deal about that!! Our internal mail server here has around 300GB of storage for use by around 50 people... around 25 of them use pop3 so the mails don't reside on the mail server for long. The rest of us use IMAP so I potentially have around 12GB of mail storage (which is also accessible through a web interface).... I've never used more than 200MB... any big files (reports, presentations, movies etc) I also store locally as it's a hell of a lot faster then downloading them and I presume most people are like that also... so I could potentially delete them from the mail server and drop my usage down to under 100 mb. My workmate said that the GMail interface is pretty fast (after an initial slow load) but I presume this is due to a lot of client side trickery. Anyway, comments? (BTW.. I'm not Anti-GMail.. I've never seen it or used it. I just don't see the big deal) Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/[^] And the profile of a GMail user: http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/gprofile.html[^] Ok.. I've never used GMail so I personally have no idea what the big deal is about... sure you get 1GB of storage for your emails but whats the big deal about that!! Our internal mail server here has around 300GB of storage for use by around 50 people... around 25 of them use pop3 so the mails don't reside on the mail server for long. The rest of us use IMAP so I potentially have around 12GB of mail storage (which is also accessible through a web interface).... I've never used more than 200MB... any big files (reports, presentations, movies etc) I also store locally as it's a hell of a lot faster then downloading them and I presume most people are like that also... so I could potentially delete them from the mail server and drop my usage down to under 100 mb. My workmate said that the GMail interface is pretty fast (after an initial slow load) but I presume this is due to a lot of client side trickery. Anyway, comments? (BTW.. I'm not Anti-GMail.. I've never seen it or used it. I just don't see the big deal) Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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http://www.briandela.com/rss/newsrss.xml RSS FeedI like the concept. I am not at all concerned about privacy issues. It is an alogrithm. If I am going to be fed ads, they might as well be on topics I care about, not on "Smily Central" or "Classmates" So far I am spam free but I am going to start requesting GMail whitelists. I'll keep CPians informed about what Google says. Spam Whitelist Plugin for Outlook and Outlook Express (I didnt write it but I use it) Microsoft .NET - Come on! I need the Traffic!
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I like the concept. I am not at all concerned about privacy issues. It is an alogrithm. If I am going to be fed ads, they might as well be on topics I care about, not on "Smily Central" or "Classmates" So far I am spam free but I am going to start requesting GMail whitelists. I'll keep CPians informed about what Google says. Spam Whitelist Plugin for Outlook and Outlook Express (I didnt write it but I use it) Microsoft .NET - Come on! I need the Traffic!
GISnet wrote: So far I am spam free but I am going to start requesting GMail whitelists. I'll keep CPians informed about what Google says. It seems like a "whitelist" would be a royal P.I.T.A. I get mail from a lot of people that I wouldn't think to put on a whitelist, and much of it is mailing list-type stuff (so replying to a mail to "authenticate" would never happen.) I can see how it would cut down on the spam, if not reduce it completely, but it would also lose a lot of legitimate e-mails. I'd rather deal with a few spams than miss real e-mails. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin
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GISnet wrote: So far I am spam free but I am going to start requesting GMail whitelists. I'll keep CPians informed about what Google says. It seems like a "whitelist" would be a royal P.I.T.A. I get mail from a lot of people that I wouldn't think to put on a whitelist, and much of it is mailing list-type stuff (so replying to a mail to "authenticate" would never happen.) I can see how it would cut down on the spam, if not reduce it completely, but it would also lose a lot of legitimate e-mails. I'd rather deal with a few spams than miss real e-mails. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin
Whitelisting is more automatic than that. And you can add the server that sends mailing list messages to your whitelist. If they are not on your list and you send them an email -- automatically added to whitelist. If they email you and are not on your whitelist, their message is moved until quarantine. Then they are sent an email that they must respond to. If they follow the directions in the automatic email, all quarantined messages FROM THEM are moved to your inbox. No worries! Spam Whitelist Plugin for Outlook and Outlook Express (I didnt write it but I use it) Microsoft .NET - Come on! I need the Traffic!
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http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/[^] And the profile of a GMail user: http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/gprofile.html[^] Ok.. I've never used GMail so I personally have no idea what the big deal is about... sure you get 1GB of storage for your emails but whats the big deal about that!! Our internal mail server here has around 300GB of storage for use by around 50 people... around 25 of them use pop3 so the mails don't reside on the mail server for long. The rest of us use IMAP so I potentially have around 12GB of mail storage (which is also accessible through a web interface).... I've never used more than 200MB... any big files (reports, presentations, movies etc) I also store locally as it's a hell of a lot faster then downloading them and I presume most people are like that also... so I could potentially delete them from the mail server and drop my usage down to under 100 mb. My workmate said that the GMail interface is pretty fast (after an initial slow load) but I presume this is due to a lot of client side trickery. Anyway, comments? (BTW.. I'm not Anti-GMail.. I've never seen it or used it. I just don't see the big deal) Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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http://www.briandela.com/rss/newsrss.xml RSS FeedProviding they have a junk mail filter which works as well as Hotmail's does, I don't really mind who sends me emails :) However, as a traveller, a large free web based email service would be superb! I've used Hotmail since 1998, way back when sensible names were still available. More storage space would certainly be handy :)
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Whitelisting is more automatic than that. And you can add the server that sends mailing list messages to your whitelist. If they are not on your list and you send them an email -- automatically added to whitelist. If they email you and are not on your whitelist, their message is moved until quarantine. Then they are sent an email that they must respond to. If they follow the directions in the automatic email, all quarantined messages FROM THEM are moved to your inbox. No worries! Spam Whitelist Plugin for Outlook and Outlook Express (I didnt write it but I use it) Microsoft .NET - Come on! I need the Traffic!
Still, if you get e-mail you are not expecting, you have a problem if they don't "authenticate" themselves. But I don't want the hassle of having to maintain a list of what e-mail servers are OK and what aren't. That is a royal pain when subscribing to mailing lists, or even registering with sites (you have to know the e-mail of the server that will send you the confirmation message, etc.) So while the "whitelist" concept may work for a few people, I don't see it working for people who get legitimate e-mail from automatic sources. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin
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Providing they have a junk mail filter which works as well as Hotmail's does, I don't really mind who sends me emails :) However, as a traveller, a large free web based email service would be superb! I've used Hotmail since 1998, way back when sensible names were still available. More storage space would certainly be handy :)
Look at the world about you and trust to your own convictions. - Ansel Adams
Meg's World - Blog PhotographyMegan Forbes wrote: way back when sensible names were still available So you're not megan1845398053210840948623908049ufidlsajvklz@hotmail.com? :-D "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin
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Still, if you get e-mail you are not expecting, you have a problem if they don't "authenticate" themselves. But I don't want the hassle of having to maintain a list of what e-mail servers are OK and what aren't. That is a royal pain when subscribing to mailing lists, or even registering with sites (you have to know the e-mail of the server that will send you the confirmation message, etc.) So while the "whitelist" concept may work for a few people, I don't see it working for people who get legitimate e-mail from automatic sources. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin
I understand what you're saying. However, everything still goes in Quarantine and the implementations I've used, you can simply "add to whitelist" any message in quarantine. Is spam less of a hassle than maintaining a whitlelist? Spam got so bad for me that i registered a domain and give out fake addresses that go to a catchall address. So codeproject@mydomain.com is what i'd give codeproject. Any unknown mail (codeproject@mydomain.com) is sent to my real address. If i start getting "enlargement" email addressed to codeproject@mydomain.com then i simply make a bounce that mail. I still want whitelisting abilities in google's gmail, with the option to use it or not. Spam Whitelist Plugin for Outlook and Outlook Express (I didnt write it but I use it) Microsoft .NET - Come on! I need the Traffic!
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I understand what you're saying. However, everything still goes in Quarantine and the implementations I've used, you can simply "add to whitelist" any message in quarantine. Is spam less of a hassle than maintaining a whitlelist? Spam got so bad for me that i registered a domain and give out fake addresses that go to a catchall address. So codeproject@mydomain.com is what i'd give codeproject. Any unknown mail (codeproject@mydomain.com) is sent to my real address. If i start getting "enlargement" email addressed to codeproject@mydomain.com then i simply make a bounce that mail. I still want whitelisting abilities in google's gmail, with the option to use it or not. Spam Whitelist Plugin for Outlook and Outlook Express (I didnt write it but I use it) Microsoft .NET - Come on! I need the Traffic!
GISnet wrote: Is spam less of a hassle than maintaining a whitlelist? Maintaining a whitelist would be more hassle. I'd rather have a filter which lets 1 or 2% of the spam through (which is about the results I get with most spam) but doesn't block the good stuff than have to deal with a whitelist. Like I said, IMHO it is much worse to miss e-mail that I need, rather than to get e-mail I don't. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin
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http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/[^] And the profile of a GMail user: http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/gprofile.html[^] Ok.. I've never used GMail so I personally have no idea what the big deal is about... sure you get 1GB of storage for your emails but whats the big deal about that!! Our internal mail server here has around 300GB of storage for use by around 50 people... around 25 of them use pop3 so the mails don't reside on the mail server for long. The rest of us use IMAP so I potentially have around 12GB of mail storage (which is also accessible through a web interface).... I've never used more than 200MB... any big files (reports, presentations, movies etc) I also store locally as it's a hell of a lot faster then downloading them and I presume most people are like that also... so I could potentially delete them from the mail server and drop my usage down to under 100 mb. My workmate said that the GMail interface is pretty fast (after an initial slow load) but I presume this is due to a lot of client side trickery. Anyway, comments? (BTW.. I'm not Anti-GMail.. I've never seen it or used it. I just don't see the big deal) Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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http://www.briandela.com/rss/newsrss.xml RSS FeedThe GMail obsessive nuts are sad and the anti-GMail obsessive nuts are sad. It is a useful service, sounds better than Hotmail and Yahoo mail and the like but not revolutionary so. Use it, don't use it, really people, we have world hunger to solve! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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The GMail obsessive nuts are sad and the anti-GMail obsessive nuts are sad. It is a useful service, sounds better than Hotmail and Yahoo mail and the like but not revolutionary so. Use it, don't use it, really people, we have world hunger to solve! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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GISnet wrote: Is spam less of a hassle than maintaining a whitlelist? Maintaining a whitelist would be more hassle. I'd rather have a filter which lets 1 or 2% of the spam through (which is about the results I get with most spam) but doesn't block the good stuff than have to deal with a whitelist. Like I said, IMHO it is much worse to miss e-mail that I need, rather than to get e-mail I don't. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin
>MHO it is much worse to miss e-mail that I need, rather than to get e-mail I don't. But the "missed" email goes in the Whitelist Quarantine folder which you monitor just as you have to monitor your SPAM folder. But hey, different strokes for different folks. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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The GMail obsessive nuts are sad and the anti-GMail obsessive nuts are sad. It is a useful service, sounds better than Hotmail and Yahoo mail and the like but not revolutionary so. Use it, don't use it, really people, we have world hunger to solve! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: we have world hunger to solve! Let them eat Spam!;) Some people think of it as a six-pack; I consider it more of a support group.
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Well there certainly seems to be a valid concern voiced in those web pages. EMail used to be such a convenient communications tool. EMail-2004 not so much.
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palbano wrote: EMail used to be such a convenient communications tool. EMail-2004 not so much. Agreed, I can't wait for an accepted replacement to email to appear. Regardz Colin J Davies
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The GMail obsessive nuts are sad and the anti-GMail obsessive nuts are sad. It is a useful service, sounds better than Hotmail and Yahoo mail and the like but not revolutionary so. Use it, don't use it, really people, we have world hunger to solve! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: we have world hunger to solve! Exactly! Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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