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Chris Losinger wrote: Mike Mullikin wrote: Where did we go wrong that spam-sucking trailer trash is the best we can put in the whitehouse? it's been that way as long as i've been alive. I won't disagree with you but just what sort of person are you looking for in the role of president? What qualifies someone for the job? Successful... Businessman? Lawyer? Senator? Governor? Actor? Wrestler? Mayor? Garbage man? Photomat attendant? What qualifications are necessary for POTUS? Dave
DRHuff wrote: I won't disagree with you but just what sort of person are you looking for in the role of president? What qualifies someone for the job? Successful... Businessman? Lawyer? Senator? Governor? Actor? Wrestler? Mayor? Garbage man? Photomat attendant? What qualifications are necessary for POTUS? You know, a software engineer would be nice... :) "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin
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Chris Losinger wrote: i forget... how many CIA agents did clinton's team expose for political purposes? can't have been many. making an assuumption, aren't you? for all you know it was the spook's husband who talked to Novack. Children. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Chris Losinger wrote: i forget... how many CIA agents did clinton's team expose for political purposes? can't have been many. making an assuumption, aren't you? for all you know it was the spook's husband who talked to Novack. Children. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
Mike Gaskey wrote: for all you know it was the spook's husband who talked to Novack well that's the stupidest thing i've heard all day. if Wilson himself outed his wife, that would be a phenomenal scoop and it would've been conveniently leaked by one of the 5 or so reporters who were contacted to one of their colleagues. and, of course Bush, Cheney, Libby and the rest of the criminals wouldn't be speaking to the Grand Jury. but beside all that Novak himself said the information came from a "senior administration official". and that means someone in W or Cheney's staff, or a high-level cabinet member. Mike Gaskey wrote: Children without question. it defies logic that these people should be in charge of our country. Software | Cleek
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John Carson wrote: Democrats believe in democracy, the rule of law, human rights and market capitalism. Compared to Republicans, they might set tax rates at slightly different levels, support stronger legislation to protect the environment and be less interventionist in the bedrooms of the nation, but these are comparatively minor variations around a capitalist-democratic consensus. You are referring to the democratic party of JFK. THose guys no longer exist. Today the democratic party consists of fear mongering socialitst determined to eradicate every last vestage of American culture and replace it with a European social welfare state. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Celebs Turn Out for Kerry-Edwards[^] Whoopi Goldberg delivered an X-rated rant full of sexual innuendoes against President Bush last night at a Radio City gala that raised $7.5 million for the newly minted Democratic ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards. Waving a bottle of wine, she fired off a stream of vulgar sexual wordplays on Bush's name in a riff about female genitalia, and boasted that she'd refused to let Team Kerry clear her material. ... Kerry could be seen laughing uproariously during part of Goldberg's tirade — and neither he nor Edwards voiced a single objection to its tone when they spoke to the crowd. They hailed the fund-raiser as a great event. Edwards said it was "a great honor" to be there and insisted, "This campaign will be a celebration of real American values." Kerry thanked all the performers for "an extraordinary evening," hailed the "great producers" — Harvey Weinstein of Miramax and Jann Wenner - and said "every performer tonight ... conveyed to you the heart and soul of our country." Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Where did we go wrong that spam-sucking trailer trash is the best we can put in the whitehouse? "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
Good thing Whoopi isn't Kerry's running mate. BW The Biggest Loser
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John Carson wrote: Democrats believe in democracy, the rule of law, human rights and market capitalism. Compared to Republicans, they might set tax rates at slightly different levels, support stronger legislation to protect the environment and be less interventionist in the bedrooms of the nation, but these are comparatively minor variations around a capitalist-democratic consensus. You are referring to the democratic party of JFK. THose guys no longer exist. Today the democratic party consists of fear mongering socialitst determined to eradicate every last vestage of American culture and replace it with a European social welfare state. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: You are referring to the democratic party of JFK. THose guys no longer exist. Actually no. I am referring to the Democratic Party before, during and after JFK. Since you raise the issue of Kennedy, it is worth making the obvious point that since his time the Democratic Party, in common with virtually every other political party in the Western world (and most political parties outside the Western world) has moved to the left on social (read sexual) issues and to the right on economic issues. The role of the market is much less questioned now than it was in the 60s and there is correspondingly a much more critical view of the welfare state. Stan Shannon wrote: Today the democratic party consists of fear mongering socialitst determined to eradicate every last vestage of American culture and replace it with a European social welfare state. I don't believe that is their goal but, even if it was, this would not "eradicate every last vestige of American culture". Given that there is a very substantial overlap between American and European culture, 100% adoption of (some version of) European culture would leave most of US culture intact. John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
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Celebs Turn Out for Kerry-Edwards[^] Whoopi Goldberg delivered an X-rated rant full of sexual innuendoes against President Bush last night at a Radio City gala that raised $7.5 million for the newly minted Democratic ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards. Waving a bottle of wine, she fired off a stream of vulgar sexual wordplays on Bush's name in a riff about female genitalia, and boasted that she'd refused to let Team Kerry clear her material. ... Kerry could be seen laughing uproariously during part of Goldberg's tirade — and neither he nor Edwards voiced a single objection to its tone when they spoke to the crowd. They hailed the fund-raiser as a great event. Edwards said it was "a great honor" to be there and insisted, "This campaign will be a celebration of real American values." Kerry thanked all the performers for "an extraordinary evening," hailed the "great producers" — Harvey Weinstein of Miramax and Jann Wenner - and said "every performer tonight ... conveyed to you the heart and soul of our country." Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Where did we go wrong that spam-sucking trailer trash is the best we can put in the whitehouse? "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
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Stan Shannon wrote: You are referring to the democratic party of JFK. THose guys no longer exist. Actually no. I am referring to the Democratic Party before, during and after JFK. Since you raise the issue of Kennedy, it is worth making the obvious point that since his time the Democratic Party, in common with virtually every other political party in the Western world (and most political parties outside the Western world) has moved to the left on social (read sexual) issues and to the right on economic issues. The role of the market is much less questioned now than it was in the 60s and there is correspondingly a much more critical view of the welfare state. Stan Shannon wrote: Today the democratic party consists of fear mongering socialitst determined to eradicate every last vestage of American culture and replace it with a European social welfare state. I don't believe that is their goal but, even if it was, this would not "eradicate every last vestige of American culture". Given that there is a very substantial overlap between American and European culture, 100% adoption of (some version of) European culture would leave most of US culture intact. John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
Its all a matter of perspective I suppose, but I disagree completely. The "left" has not yet finished its flirtation with Marxism and is still desperately trying to figure out some way to make it appear to work. In the US, the current tactic is to give Marxism a Jeffersonian face. Their power base remains dependency of large masses of people upon political systems. They cuold no more turn away from that basic political paradigm than a weed could turn away from the dirt it's growing out of. They might pay lip service to principles that appear market oriented on the surface, but it is only to stall for time until they figure out some way to get it all under the control of government. And, frankly, traditional American culture is in its entirity a repudiation of European culture. We are, and I hope always remain, the anti-Europe. (Which is precisely the reason the world at large has such a vested interest in undermining American conservatism - it is all that stands in the way of a complete reconquest of the world by Europe) "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Celebs Turn Out for Kerry-Edwards[^] Whoopi Goldberg delivered an X-rated rant full of sexual innuendoes against President Bush last night at a Radio City gala that raised $7.5 million for the newly minted Democratic ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards. Waving a bottle of wine, she fired off a stream of vulgar sexual wordplays on Bush's name in a riff about female genitalia, and boasted that she'd refused to let Team Kerry clear her material. ... Kerry could be seen laughing uproariously during part of Goldberg's tirade — and neither he nor Edwards voiced a single objection to its tone when they spoke to the crowd. They hailed the fund-raiser as a great event. Edwards said it was "a great honor" to be there and insisted, "This campaign will be a celebration of real American values." Kerry thanked all the performers for "an extraordinary evening," hailed the "great producers" — Harvey Weinstein of Miramax and Jann Wenner - and said "every performer tonight ... conveyed to you the heart and soul of our country." Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Where did we go wrong that spam-sucking trailer trash is the best we can put in the whitehouse? "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
Oh good heavens me, sex! Can't have the leaders knowing about such vile and sinful acts eh. Don't want the next generation being wisely brought up, far better we keep them as repressed as the current generation. Jeez, these are adults, we are adults, you want a sheet with a hole in it for the would-be president? You lord having left Europe behind with American progress but emotionally and socially I think you have regresed. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Oh good heavens me, sex! Can't have the leaders knowing about such vile and sinful acts eh. Don't want the next generation being wisely brought up, far better we keep them as repressed as the current generation. Jeez, these are adults, we are adults, you want a sheet with a hole in it for the would-be president? You lord having left Europe behind with American progress but emotionally and socially I think you have regresed. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Where's the bottom? "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Stan Shannon wrote: As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. what do you mean by "extremism" ? this kind:
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Li'l Annie Coulter. "When you get through, you say, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom [ie. the State Department], I think that's the answer,' and you say, 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" The Reverend Pat Robertson. "Oh, you're one of the sodomites... You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it." Michael Savage.
Chris Losinger wrote: or something else? Stan is an idealistic racist and an American-only patriotic capitalist. The following will probably summarize his whole political thinking: 1. Government officials should be elected by property onwners who are not recent immigrants. 2. United Nations should be contracted to private American companies. If a company is in another country, then it is not real capitalism and can't be trusted. 3. Social security and welfare should only be run by churches and provided to church members. If you don't believe in god, then why do you need such things, you are going to hell anyway. 4. All kinds of weapons should be legalized as long as they are made and sold by Americans. 5. Science, art, and music taught in school are ok if they begin and end with a prayer. English should be the only language spoken outside of home(actually, he prefers Americanish, but it is not invented yet). 6. There should be a new country established, The Republic of Guantanamo, for all allah believers, north koreans, gays/lesbians/trans, european socialists, and liberals.
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Its all a matter of perspective I suppose, but I disagree completely. The "left" has not yet finished its flirtation with Marxism and is still desperately trying to figure out some way to make it appear to work. In the US, the current tactic is to give Marxism a Jeffersonian face. Their power base remains dependency of large masses of people upon political systems. They cuold no more turn away from that basic political paradigm than a weed could turn away from the dirt it's growing out of. They might pay lip service to principles that appear market oriented on the surface, but it is only to stall for time until they figure out some way to get it all under the control of government. And, frankly, traditional American culture is in its entirity a repudiation of European culture. We are, and I hope always remain, the anti-Europe. (Which is precisely the reason the world at large has such a vested interest in undermining American conservatism - it is all that stands in the way of a complete reconquest of the world by Europe) "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Oh good heavens me, sex! Can't have the leaders knowing about such vile and sinful acts eh. Don't want the next generation being wisely brought up, far better we keep them as repressed as the current generation. Jeez, these are adults, we are adults, you want a sheet with a hole in it for the would-be president? You lord having left Europe behind with American progress but emotionally and socially I think you have regresed. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Relax Paul, nobody is concerned with sex or even joking about it. If Whoopi Goldberg wants to hold a news conference or a show and insult Bush (or anyone else) in the most explicit method she can muster it is her business and I frankly wouldn't care. This was different. It was an official fundraiser for the Democratic party. Most Americans expect a certain amount of decorum from their leaders. In this case, they didn't get it from Kerry, Edwards or the Democrats in general. Paul Watson wrote: You lord having left Europe behind with American progress but emotionally and socially I think you have regresed. I don't remember lording about American progress so I will respectfully disagree. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that many Americans were raised to have different ideals and scruples from you. Not better, but not worse - just different. And if you can't accept that, I'd suggest you open your mind. "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
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Oh yes, Sexual Innuendo, the big problem to be solved in this millenium.
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
sighist || Agile Programming | doxygenCan you imagine a scenario within German politics where a PM running for re-election would be publicly insulted in such a graphic manner at an official gathering of an opposing party? "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
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Can you imagine a scenario within German politics where a PM running for re-election would be publicly insulted in such a graphic manner at an official gathering of an opposing party? "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
No, because german elections are boring stupid, not puiblicity shows anyway (and I don't know which is better). I've seen democrats stuff about republicans, I've seen rep staff about dems, the only difference here that in my youth this would have been a non-no because a) it`s a public event, and b) a person like Whoopie would be expected to be a better role model. But that's been a few years...
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
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Oh good heavens me, sex! Can't have the leaders knowing about such vile and sinful acts eh. Don't want the next generation being wisely brought up, far better we keep them as repressed as the current generation. Jeez, these are adults, we are adults, you want a sheet with a hole in it for the would-be president? You lord having left Europe behind with American progress but emotionally and socially I think you have regresed. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Can you tell me exactly how being more explicit about sex is considered social progression? Jeremy Falcon
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Chris Losinger wrote: well, maybe European culture of the late 1700's. I see little evidence of Jeffersonianism in any of the modern political insitutions any where in Europe. And while the left is doing every thing it can to sereptiously displace Jeffersonianism with a thinly disguised form of Marxism, those same principles yet survive thanks to the right. This contest remains one between Marx and Jefferson, regardless of the left's obfuscation of their true objectives. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Chris Losinger wrote: well, maybe European culture of the late 1700's. I see little evidence of Jeffersonianism in any of the modern political insitutions any where in Europe. And while the left is doing every thing it can to sereptiously displace Jeffersonianism with a thinly disguised form of Marxism, those same principles yet survive thanks to the right. This contest remains one between Marx and Jefferson, regardless of the left's obfuscation of their true objectives. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: I see little evidence of Jeffersonianism in any of the modern political insitutions any where in Europe and i'm not sure why you would expect to. but it's ridiculous to think that proto-Americans of the 1770's were trying to repudiate Europe of 2004. they were rebelling against things that were happening in their own times, not against what they thought Europe would become in 200 years. in other words - Europe of today isn't the Europe of 1776. they fought their battle against the enemies of their time, not ours. Stan Shannon wrote: And while the left is doing every thing it can to sereptiously displace Jeffersonianism with a thinly disguised form of Marxism, those same principles yet survive thanks to the right. i'll say it again: the general public doesn't know a fucking thing about Marx or his ideas, so there's no way they can be advocating anything in his name. if some of the goals of the left kinda look like things Marx would've likley mocked as unproductive half-steps towards what he considered ideal, and even then only if you squint really hard, that doesn't mean the left is actually advocating Marxism. just like it would be ridiculous to claim that the right is advocating some kind of Randian Libertarian Utopia simply because they half-heartedly talk about getting government out of people's lives. Software | Cleek
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Relax Paul, nobody is concerned with sex or even joking about it. If Whoopi Goldberg wants to hold a news conference or a show and insult Bush (or anyone else) in the most explicit method she can muster it is her business and I frankly wouldn't care. This was different. It was an official fundraiser for the Democratic party. Most Americans expect a certain amount of decorum from their leaders. In this case, they didn't get it from Kerry, Edwards or the Democrats in general. Paul Watson wrote: You lord having left Europe behind with American progress but emotionally and socially I think you have regresed. I don't remember lording about American progress so I will respectfully disagree. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that many Americans were raised to have different ideals and scruples from you. Not better, but not worse - just different. And if you can't accept that, I'd suggest you open your mind. "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
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Oh good heavens me, sex! Can't have the leaders knowing about such vile and sinful acts eh. Don't want the next generation being wisely brought up, far better we keep them as repressed as the current generation. Jeez, these are adults, we are adults, you want a sheet with a hole in it for the would-be president? You lord having left Europe behind with American progress but emotionally and socially I think you have regresed. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Jeez, these are adults, we are adults, you want a sheet with a hole in it for the would-be president? those naughty Democrats. they're so vile compared to George Major Leauge Asshole, Fuck Saddam We're Taking Him Out, You Fucking Son of a Bitch, Talk About Pussy, Please Don't Kill Me Bush, Dick Go Fuck Yourself Cheney and Paul Fuck You Wolfowitz. Software | Cleek