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Nathan Ridley wrote: having a feature such as this would bring a lot more traffic to the code project and make it an even more important developer site than it is already. At the moment the major problem is the sheer amount of traffic coming to the site. I don't think implementing something that generates more traffic would be a good idea right now. Maybe when the site latency problems have been alleviated somewhat. Nathan Ridley wrote: I must admit I'm surprised that The Code Project hasn't updated any of its article posting code, or implemented any new features for a long time... I think they've been too busy upgrading hardware/software to cope with the amount of traffic the site gets. Other than that, I definitely think your idea has a lot of merit :)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Yes, I have noticed a lot of sluggishness lately, with load times and all. Hopefully they can get this resolved. I imagine if it's a problem, it's possibly because the site doesn't generate much revenue. I wonder what they could do to get the site producing more cash. Here's an idea. Implement my idea and charge a small fee for closed-source projects. Open-source/free projects would be free, but the ability to have collaborative proprietary projects could be a great way to generate some income. Code Project really should look at ways to entice people to pay a premium. As nice as most people are, token benefits aren't really that great. Most people will still ask "what's in it for me?" NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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I probably shouldn't post this but... what in the heck are you saying? :confused:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
I probably shouldn't post this but... what in the heck are you confused about? :confused: NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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I probably shouldn't post this but... what in the heck are you confused about? :confused: NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
Nathan Ridley said The Code Project should (in my opinion) expand in the direction of gotdotnet/sourceforge. GotDotNet problems: flawed source control system, annoying feature set, looks unprofessional, lacks decent community features. Sourceforge problems: geared towards linux based developers, annoying learning curve for first time project creators, horrible non-intuitive interface, etc. Why should The Code Project go in this direction? So CP should go in the direction of reproducing the Problems you listed from both GotDotNet and Sourceforge? :confused:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
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Nathan Ridley said The Code Project should (in my opinion) expand in the direction of gotdotnet/sourceforge. GotDotNet problems: flawed source control system, annoying feature set, looks unprofessional, lacks decent community features. Sourceforge problems: geared towards linux based developers, annoying learning curve for first time project creators, horrible non-intuitive interface, etc. Why should The Code Project go in this direction? So CP should go in the direction of reproducing the Problems you listed from both GotDotNet and Sourceforge? :confused:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
I assume you're just trying to be pointlessly argumentative seeing as if I'd meant that, I would have made no sense at all. Obviously I mean build a project designed to achieve the goals of Sourceforge and GotDotNet without reproducing the flaws that they possess. NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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I was under the impression that The Code Project was actually a full time business. Am I wrong? If it's not then I doubt my suggestion below will amount to much due to the effort it would require, but I still think it's a great idea and a logical direction for code project. The Code Project should (in my opinion) expand in the direction of gotdotnet/sourceforge. GotDotNet problems: flawed source control system, annoying feature set, looks unprofessional, lacks decent community features. Sourceforge problems: geared towards linux based developers, annoying learning curve for first time project creators, horrible non-intuitive interface, etc. Why should The Code Project go in this direction?
- it already has a very large community to take advantage of this
- it would be a fantastic complement to what already exists
- it would be a good chance to implement or use one of the more modern source control systems
- the name of the site already lends itself to such an idea
- the entire community currently has to go with either sourceforge or gotdotnet, both of which suffer various problems. doing this would centralise project development and the community support structure that is already in use
- having a feature such as this would bring a lot more traffic to the code project and make it an even more important developer site than it is already.
What do you guys think? I must admit I'm surprised that The Code Project hasn't updated any of its article posting code, or implemented any new features for a long time... NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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There is nothing wrong with expansion and new features :P *shrug* it's just an idea :/ NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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There is nothing wrong with expansion and new features :P *shrug* it's just an idea :/ NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
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I was under the impression that The Code Project was actually a full time business. Am I wrong? If it's not then I doubt my suggestion below will amount to much due to the effort it would require, but I still think it's a great idea and a logical direction for code project. The Code Project should (in my opinion) expand in the direction of gotdotnet/sourceforge. GotDotNet problems: flawed source control system, annoying feature set, looks unprofessional, lacks decent community features. Sourceforge problems: geared towards linux based developers, annoying learning curve for first time project creators, horrible non-intuitive interface, etc. Why should The Code Project go in this direction?
- it already has a very large community to take advantage of this
- it would be a fantastic complement to what already exists
- it would be a good chance to implement or use one of the more modern source control systems
- the name of the site already lends itself to such an idea
- the entire community currently has to go with either sourceforge or gotdotnet, both of which suffer various problems. doing this would centralise project development and the community support structure that is already in use
- having a feature such as this would bring a lot more traffic to the code project and make it an even more important developer site than it is already.
What do you guys think? I must admit I'm surprised that The Code Project hasn't updated any of its article posting code, or implemented any new features for a long time... NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
Nathan Ridley wrote: I must admit I'm surprised that The Code Project hasn't updated any of its article posting code, or implemented any new features for a long time... There is a big wish list of things that Chris would like to implement. However I think he is constrained by financial and logistical problems. The server load problems seem to be the most pressing of the issues, so they seem to be concentrating their efforts on that. I'm sure once the current issues are resolved, we'll see new features being added. Michael CP Blog [^]
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Nathan Ridley wrote: I must admit I'm surprised that The Code Project hasn't updated any of its article posting code, or implemented any new features for a long time... There is a big wish list of things that Chris would like to implement. However I think he is constrained by financial and logistical problems. The server load problems seem to be the most pressing of the issues, so they seem to be concentrating their efforts on that. I'm sure once the current issues are resolved, we'll see new features being added. Michael CP Blog [^]
But this idea seems more than just an extra few features to me. It seems like a change in direction, loosing focus of good articles and rehashing the "stick your unfinished and undocumented source code here" idea. By all means more collaboration tools for articles on CP would be grand, but not all the way towards SF. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I assume you're just trying to be pointlessly argumentative seeing as if I'd meant that, I would have made no sense at all. Obviously I mean build a project designed to achieve the goals of Sourceforge and GotDotNet without reproducing the flaws that they possess. NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
Nathan Ridley wrote: build a project designed to achieve the goals of Sourceforge and GotDotNet If that is what you would like to see, why not work with them to build what you expect since they are already going that direction? Does not seem logical to use resources to duplicate what already exists even if they are flawed to you at the moment. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com
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But this idea seems more than just an extra few features to me. It seems like a change in direction, loosing focus of good articles and rehashing the "stick your unfinished and undocumented source code here" idea. By all means more collaboration tools for articles on CP would be grand, but not all the way towards SF. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
You must have a good connection. You replied before CP had returned me back to the Lounge screen after posting. Paul Watson wrote: By all means more collaboration tools for articles on CP would be grand, but not all the way towards SF. I agree that CP doesn't want to become another SF. We don't need another site with half-baked, unfinished (sometimes barely started) projects. A better way to contribute bug fixes to the articles would be cool but full blown project management is not needed. I believe Chris has stated on a number of ocassions that he isn't interested in going down the SF route. Personally, I come here to learn new stuff and rarely make use of the code here. (With a few exceptions). I see CP as a superior version of MSDN and would prefer it stayed that way. Michael CP Blog [^]
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You must have a good connection. You replied before CP had returned me back to the Lounge screen after posting. Paul Watson wrote: By all means more collaboration tools for articles on CP would be grand, but not all the way towards SF. I agree that CP doesn't want to become another SF. We don't need another site with half-baked, unfinished (sometimes barely started) projects. A better way to contribute bug fixes to the articles would be cool but full blown project management is not needed. I believe Chris has stated on a number of ocassions that he isn't interested in going down the SF route. Personally, I come here to learn new stuff and rarely make use of the code here. (With a few exceptions). I see CP as a superior version of MSDN and would prefer it stayed that way. Michael CP Blog [^]
>You must have a good connection Actually this is quite interesting. Net access from S.A. is quite poor compared to the States and Europe (though better than what poor Nish has to deal with). ADSL has only recently been introduced and it is a crippled and far slower service than the first world versions. Yet for me using CP is quite pleasant. I don't get errors. It never times-out. It responds in a timely fashion compared to other websites I use. The only problem I ever have is when DNS plays up and I get the 501 errors. Yet last week when I was in London on a blazing 2meg ADSL connection I finally saw all these problems everyone has been complaining about. Time-outs, errors, pauses etc. I actually noticed more problems on a variety of websites with the fast connection than I normally do. It is great having a fast connection but it seems it can cause problems too, tripping over itself almost. Back to S.A. now and I am enjoying the CP experience again, slow and steady, same as most other big sites. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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>You must have a good connection Actually this is quite interesting. Net access from S.A. is quite poor compared to the States and Europe (though better than what poor Nish has to deal with). ADSL has only recently been introduced and it is a crippled and far slower service than the first world versions. Yet for me using CP is quite pleasant. I don't get errors. It never times-out. It responds in a timely fashion compared to other websites I use. The only problem I ever have is when DNS plays up and I get the 501 errors. Yet last week when I was in London on a blazing 2meg ADSL connection I finally saw all these problems everyone has been complaining about. Time-outs, errors, pauses etc. I actually noticed more problems on a variety of websites with the fast connection than I normally do. It is great having a fast connection but it seems it can cause problems too, tripping over itself almost. Back to S.A. now and I am enjoying the CP experience again, slow and steady, same as most other big sites. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: It is great having a fast connection but it seems it can cause problems too, tripping over itself almost. I usually use a 64k ISDN line and never really noticed the CP slow issues because I'm used to slow response times. I used to get a lot of timeouts on CP but I get them from other sites too. I'm currently working offsite and using an ADSL line. When CP is running well, I'm amazed at how quickly messages are posted and forums displayed... but when things go wrong you really notice. I'd love to see the CP team do a write up of their problems and experiences in fixing them. I think it would make a good book which would be a boon to all developers. I do love a "war story" and I think the development and running of CP would make for a great read. [edited to remove several greats and goods from the last sentence, as I was sounding like a football post-match interview] Michael CP Blog [^]
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Nathan Ridley said The Code Project should (in my opinion) expand in the direction of gotdotnet/sourceforge. GotDotNet problems: flawed source control system, annoying feature set, looks unprofessional, lacks decent community features. Sourceforge problems: geared towards linux based developers, annoying learning curve for first time project creators, horrible non-intuitive interface, etc. Why should The Code Project go in this direction? So CP should go in the direction of reproducing the Problems you listed from both GotDotNet and Sourceforge? :confused:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
palbano wrote: So CP should go in the direction of reproducing the Problems you listed from both GotDotNet and Sourceforge? Can you please specify if your conclusion above is due to lack of common sence or a need to argument? :laugh: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
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You must have a good connection. You replied before CP had returned me back to the Lounge screen after posting. Paul Watson wrote: By all means more collaboration tools for articles on CP would be grand, but not all the way towards SF. I agree that CP doesn't want to become another SF. We don't need another site with half-baked, unfinished (sometimes barely started) projects. A better way to contribute bug fixes to the articles would be cool but full blown project management is not needed. I believe Chris has stated on a number of ocassions that he isn't interested in going down the SF route. Personally, I come here to learn new stuff and rarely make use of the code here. (With a few exceptions). I see CP as a superior version of MSDN and would prefer it stayed that way. Michael CP Blog [^]
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I was under the impression that The Code Project was actually a full time business. Am I wrong? If it's not then I doubt my suggestion below will amount to much due to the effort it would require, but I still think it's a great idea and a logical direction for code project. The Code Project should (in my opinion) expand in the direction of gotdotnet/sourceforge. GotDotNet problems: flawed source control system, annoying feature set, looks unprofessional, lacks decent community features. Sourceforge problems: geared towards linux based developers, annoying learning curve for first time project creators, horrible non-intuitive interface, etc. Why should The Code Project go in this direction?
- it already has a very large community to take advantage of this
- it would be a fantastic complement to what already exists
- it would be a good chance to implement or use one of the more modern source control systems
- the name of the site already lends itself to such an idea
- the entire community currently has to go with either sourceforge or gotdotnet, both of which suffer various problems. doing this would centralise project development and the community support structure that is already in use
- having a feature such as this would bring a lot more traffic to the code project and make it an even more important developer site than it is already.
What do you guys think? I must admit I'm surprised that The Code Project hasn't updated any of its article posting code, or implemented any new features for a long time... NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
Nathan Ridley wrote: What do you guys think? I like it just the way it is, and any significant change would encourage me to quit visiting. If gotdotnet/ sourceforge had anything to offer me, I'd be there. I've visited them, but found nothing to make me wish to revisit them. I want to read about how others have solved specific problems, learn new techniques, and share what I've learned with others who can use some help. I don't want to collaborate on application development, and I do like to keep in touch with the many friends I've acquired since joining CodeProject. CP is more than a developer information site; it's a community of peers. It's different from other sites devoted to code, and it's the difference that gives it value. Let the other sites fix their problems, and leave us to do what we've been doing so long and successfully. "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
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I assume you're just trying to be pointlessly argumentative seeing as if I'd meant that, I would have made no sense at all. Obviously I mean build a project designed to achieve the goals of Sourceforge and GotDotNet without reproducing the flaws that they possess. NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
Nathan Ridley wrote: I assume you're just trying to be pointlessly argumentative Wrong, which should be obvious since i am not arguing ( how could I since I didn't know what your were saying ) i am asking a question :doh: I figured it was obvious but that I didn't get it. But I did want to know so I had to ask the question right? :rose: Nathan Ridley wrote: Obviously I mean build a project designed to achieve the goals I don't know what those goals are since I don't only occasionally use those sites.
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palbano wrote: So CP should go in the direction of reproducing the Problems you listed from both GotDotNet and Sourceforge? Can you please specify if your conclusion above is due to lack of common sence or a need to argument? :laugh: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
Yeah and even now that I know the intent of it, when I read it... I still can't believe what it says. So i guess i lack more than common sense. Even so, I am still not arguing with him since I have no clue what he has proposed. :laugh::laugh:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
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Nathan Ridley wrote: What do you guys think? I like it just the way it is, and any significant change would encourage me to quit visiting. If gotdotnet/ sourceforge had anything to offer me, I'd be there. I've visited them, but found nothing to make me wish to revisit them. I want to read about how others have solved specific problems, learn new techniques, and share what I've learned with others who can use some help. I don't want to collaborate on application development, and I do like to keep in touch with the many friends I've acquired since joining CodeProject. CP is more than a developer information site; it's a community of peers. It's different from other sites devoted to code, and it's the difference that gives it value. Let the other sites fix their problems, and leave us to do what we've been doing so long and successfully. "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
Fair enough, good points. After more thought on the subject I possibly think I'm starting to agree with you. Just an idea thrown out there anyway. NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]