General discontent on Codeproject?
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Clickety (probably you're using Mozilla...) http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?forumid=1159&exp=0&fr=26&select=877872#xx877872xx[^] bjoernen wrote: Is there some general discontent on/about Codeproject? Psst! Don't talk too loud or Marc may hear it! :-D I don't think there's a general discontentment about CP. On the 1, 1,242,226 members, there maybe a few old timers and some article writers unsatisfied with some things, but who are we in 1,242,226 members? We are statistically irrelevant, and if we sum a total of 20 people we would be only 0.0016% of the site. We’re not even customers, here:
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n : someone who pays for goods or services [syn: {client}]The only CP customers are the sponsors, as they are those who pay for CP services, and they seem to be very satisfied. The rest of us are simply people who are allowed to use CP. Using CodeProject, as any other site, is a privilege, not a right. We do not have the right of demanding anything, and if we sound like this, is because Chris allowed us to use his site to make improvement suggestions and express our feelings to it. Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: The only CP customers are the sponsors, as they are those who pay for CP services, I disagree. Those are the only ones who pay with money. Others pay with time and devotion. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Clickety (probably you're using Mozilla...) http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?forumid=1159&exp=0&fr=26&select=877872#xx877872xx[^] bjoernen wrote: Is there some general discontent on/about Codeproject? Psst! Don't talk too loud or Marc may hear it! :-D I don't think there's a general discontentment about CP. On the 1, 1,242,226 members, there maybe a few old timers and some article writers unsatisfied with some things, but who are we in 1,242,226 members? We are statistically irrelevant, and if we sum a total of 20 people we would be only 0.0016% of the site. We’re not even customers, here:
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customer
n : someone who pays for goods or services [syn: {client}]The only CP customers are the sponsors, as they are those who pay for CP services, and they seem to be very satisfied. The rest of us are simply people who are allowed to use CP. Using CodeProject, as any other site, is a privilege, not a right. We do not have the right of demanding anything, and if we sound like this, is because Chris allowed us to use his site to make improvement suggestions and express our feelings to it. Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: Psst! Don't talk too loud or Marc may hear it! Too late! :-D Daniel Turini wrote: 1,242,226 members This is a really misleading number, don't you think? I mean, you have to become a member so that you can download an article's code. But it certainly is no indication of ACTIVE members, is it? Heaven forbid that the "online" number at the top of the forum would be this large! Daniel Turini wrote: there maybe a few old timers Is there no respect for us oldtimers? :-D Daniel Turini wrote: We are statistically irrelevant Hmmm. Maybe that's why I don't vote either. I'm statistically irrelevant among the 100's of millions people in this country. :-D Daniel Turini wrote: The rest of us are simply people who are allowed to use CP. What Nathan and Colin said. The rest of us are simply the people who see the ads and possibly buy the products. :-D Daniel Turini wrote: Using CodeProject, as any other site, is a privilege, not a right. IMO, if you offer a service on the Internet, then people expect a certain quality of service. Therefore, it seems that it IS a right to go to this site and expect a certain QoS. If someone wants to make it a priviledge, then it should be structured in such a way that the QoS and other privileges are subscriber based. My 2c: if I were an advertiser on CP, I would be disgruntled with the frequent downtime, slowness, and growing discontent. Come to think of it, since articles are a way of advertising the author, I AM disgruntled! Sufficiently so that I wanted a different presence for some of my articles so that when I refer people to them, I can expect a certain level of QoS. Well, those are my opinions. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
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Daniel Turini wrote: Psst! Don't talk too loud or Marc may hear it! Too late! :-D Daniel Turini wrote: 1,242,226 members This is a really misleading number, don't you think? I mean, you have to become a member so that you can download an article's code. But it certainly is no indication of ACTIVE members, is it? Heaven forbid that the "online" number at the top of the forum would be this large! Daniel Turini wrote: there maybe a few old timers Is there no respect for us oldtimers? :-D Daniel Turini wrote: We are statistically irrelevant Hmmm. Maybe that's why I don't vote either. I'm statistically irrelevant among the 100's of millions people in this country. :-D Daniel Turini wrote: The rest of us are simply people who are allowed to use CP. What Nathan and Colin said. The rest of us are simply the people who see the ads and possibly buy the products. :-D Daniel Turini wrote: Using CodeProject, as any other site, is a privilege, not a right. IMO, if you offer a service on the Internet, then people expect a certain quality of service. Therefore, it seems that it IS a right to go to this site and expect a certain QoS. If someone wants to make it a priviledge, then it should be structured in such a way that the QoS and other privileges are subscriber based. My 2c: if I were an advertiser on CP, I would be disgruntled with the frequent downtime, slowness, and growing discontent. Come to think of it, since articles are a way of advertising the author, I AM disgruntled! Sufficiently so that I wanted a different presence for some of my articles so that when I refer people to them, I can expect a certain level of QoS. Well, those are my opinions. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
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bjoernen wrote: Is this why you co-founded RealDevs? In part, yes. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
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"some article writers" The article writers are the reason the site is useful, and the reason there is a large user base, and hence why the sponsors are willing to pay money to The Code Project. If some articles writers have feedback, I'm sure the people running the site take note of this, despite their being a minority. NATHAN RIDLEY Web Application Developer email: nathan @ netlab.com.au [remove the spaces before and after the @ symbol]
Exactly, but people have told us to shut up and be thankfull that CP will host our articles. Some users here think that authors have become famous because of CP, and not that CP have become famous because of the authors. I know I don't have many articles here, but other people do and I do understand if they gat a bit angry when they read stuff like that... Without all the users CP would be nothing! - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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bjoernen wrote: Is this why you co-founded RealDevs? In part, yes. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
Marc Clifton wrote: In part, yes. From your FAQ:
RealDevs is born out of a desire to provide high quality articles and code content for Microsoft Windows developers. We want to provide a positive user experience. While there are banner ads, we ensure that these are not "in your face". Article submittals go through a review board before they are posted, ensuring that the content that you see is always of quality. And frankly, we wanted to be the guys who hold the reins!It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Sweden -
Marc Clifton wrote: In part, yes. From your FAQ:
RealDevs is born out of a desire to provide high quality articles and code content for Microsoft Windows developers. We want to provide a positive user experience. While there are banner ads, we ensure that these are not "in your face". Article submittals go through a review board before they are posted, ensuring that the content that you see is always of quality. And frankly, we wanted to be the guys who hold the reins!It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, SwedenI did kinda answar that here http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=878230#xx878230xx[^] - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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I did kinda answar that here http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=878230#xx878230xx[^] - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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Daniel Turini wrote: Psst! Don't talk too loud or Marc may hear it! Too late! :-D Daniel Turini wrote: 1,242,226 members This is a really misleading number, don't you think? I mean, you have to become a member so that you can download an article's code. But it certainly is no indication of ACTIVE members, is it? Heaven forbid that the "online" number at the top of the forum would be this large! Daniel Turini wrote: there maybe a few old timers Is there no respect for us oldtimers? :-D Daniel Turini wrote: We are statistically irrelevant Hmmm. Maybe that's why I don't vote either. I'm statistically irrelevant among the 100's of millions people in this country. :-D Daniel Turini wrote: The rest of us are simply people who are allowed to use CP. What Nathan and Colin said. The rest of us are simply the people who see the ads and possibly buy the products. :-D Daniel Turini wrote: Using CodeProject, as any other site, is a privilege, not a right. IMO, if you offer a service on the Internet, then people expect a certain quality of service. Therefore, it seems that it IS a right to go to this site and expect a certain QoS. If someone wants to make it a priviledge, then it should be structured in such a way that the QoS and other privileges are subscriber based. My 2c: if I were an advertiser on CP, I would be disgruntled with the frequent downtime, slowness, and growing discontent. Come to think of it, since articles are a way of advertising the author, I AM disgruntled! Sufficiently so that I wanted a different presence for some of my articles so that when I refer people to them, I can expect a certain level of QoS. Well, those are my opinions. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
As a side note, since we all know your opinion about Google ads on CP, have you thought about buying Google Ads on CP pointing to RealDevs? This would be at least a fine irony, as everyone who would be directed to RealDevs would be bringing money to CP. Everyone wins :-D Yes, even I am blogging now!
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bjoernen wrote: Is this why you co-founded RealDevs? In part, yes. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
Please guide your mouth, though! When Chris joined the "Codeguru opposition", he never realized the same game will be played to him. I read the defence as to why this is a different situation with interest :(( Since God by His mercy taught me the real meaning of reaping what one sows (or is it eating what one sows?), I have tried to let it guide my life-style. When MS released JUMP (Java to C# converter), I was one of those you strongly claimed it is useless and that no one will use it (well, may be the first release was). But now, I do not know, if there is any member here who uses that tool more than myself ;P I remember Nish claiming nothing of his will appear on Codeguru - but a chapter from his MC++ book (with Tom) was posted there, do not know if they posted a similar chapter here :~ Tom himself is now a columnist at Codeguru - do you remember some of his words when he was sacked from the Codeguru? ;P If Chris could go back and correct the past, I know he will love to - but it is too late, so take care not to fall by your own words - Good luck. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Marc Clifton wrote: In part, yes. From your FAQ:
RealDevs is born out of a desire to provide high quality articles and code content for Microsoft Windows developers. We want to provide a positive user experience. While there are banner ads, we ensure that these are not "in your face". Article submittals go through a review board before they are posted, ensuring that the content that you see is always of quality. And frankly, we wanted to be the guys who hold the reins!It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Swedenbjoernen wrote: It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Let me take from here. I blogged about this in the past, but essentially for the same reason people visited Google when there was Altavista. He intends to provide high quality articles (there's no VB section and there's a "programming methods" area). The tools are modern, they both listen to suggestions and do something about it. And when unique content starts appearing on RealDevs, people will find it. bjoernen wrote: there are banner ads, we ensure that these are not "in your face". This was a proven strategy in the past. bjoernen wrote: Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? You say this as a bad thing: did you know that CodeProject started as a branch from CodeGuru in the same way RealDevs is starting as a branch of CodeProject? Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Is there some general discontent on/about Codeproject? I'm not a regular at the Lounge, so maybe I've missed a lot. Prize winners? Slow site? Chris not respecting people? Whats the problem, and can we solve it by a thorough discussion? Got a bit puzzled reading the "Not complaining--Just curious" thread. http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?forumid=1159&exp=0&fr=26&select=877872#xx877872xx Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Sweden
I am very content with CP.... I really can't understand what the problem is: Yes somtimes the response is slow, and no I don't like the google ads. However, this site has been, and continues to be the very best website I have every found - on almost every front. I think all this talk of breakaway sites is wierd at best, and in my view a total red herring for this community. It'll take a lot to convince me to move on from this site. Joel Holdsworth
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bjoernen wrote: It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Let me take from here. I blogged about this in the past, but essentially for the same reason people visited Google when there was Altavista. He intends to provide high quality articles (there's no VB section and there's a "programming methods" area). The tools are modern, they both listen to suggestions and do something about it. And when unique content starts appearing on RealDevs, people will find it. bjoernen wrote: there are banner ads, we ensure that these are not "in your face". This was a proven strategy in the past. bjoernen wrote: Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? You say this as a bad thing: did you know that CodeProject started as a branch from CodeGuru in the same way RealDevs is starting as a branch of CodeProject? Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: ...there's no VB section and... Hmmmm, this is part of the welcome message...
RealDevs is a place for developers to share great code for the Microsoft
Windows platform. You'll find a variety of useful articles on C#.NET, VB.NET,
ASP.NET, and C++/MFC. Need a question answered? Post your questions in one of
our forums!Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Is there some general discontent on/about Codeproject? I'm not a regular at the Lounge, so maybe I've missed a lot. Prize winners? Slow site? Chris not respecting people? Whats the problem, and can we solve it by a thorough discussion? Got a bit puzzled reading the "Not complaining--Just curious" thread. http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?forumid=1159&exp=0&fr=26&select=877872#xx877872xx Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Sweden
I am generally content with CP. There are some problems but (directed at the discontent) what else are you expecting? Utopia? Perfection? Get real. It is good that CP is open enough that people can openly criticise it. I know many sites that would moderate these discussions into oblivion. However I am saddened by the reaction some people have had. They show very little appreciation or respect. I hope some people choose their words with a bit more respect in the future. And yes, of course I am biased. This is a great place. Many of us have spent a lot of our time here and all but the worst have loyalties. As someone above said, there will be good times and bad times. Try not to be a fair weather friend. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I am generally content with CP. There are some problems but (directed at the discontent) what else are you expecting? Utopia? Perfection? Get real. It is good that CP is open enough that people can openly criticise it. I know many sites that would moderate these discussions into oblivion. However I am saddened by the reaction some people have had. They show very little appreciation or respect. I hope some people choose their words with a bit more respect in the future. And yes, of course I am biased. This is a great place. Many of us have spent a lot of our time here and all but the worst have loyalties. As someone above said, there will be good times and bad times. Try not to be a fair weather friend. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: As someone above said, there will be good times and bad times. Try not to be a fair weather friend. Hmmmm, I wish we said the same thing about Codeguru :(( Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Paul Watson wrote: As someone above said, there will be good times and bad times. Try not to be a fair weather friend. Hmmmm, I wish we said the same thing about Codeguru :(( Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
CG was a bit before my time but wasn't the problem there that it got bought out by some corporate and had the soul ripped out and replaced with a cash register? Bit different to the CP problems, no? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Marc Clifton wrote: In part, yes. From your FAQ:
RealDevs is born out of a desire to provide high quality articles and code content for Microsoft Windows developers. We want to provide a positive user experience. While there are banner ads, we ensure that these are not "in your face". Article submittals go through a review board before they are posted, ensuring that the content that you see is always of quality. And frankly, we wanted to be the guys who hold the reins!It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Swedenbjoernen wrote: It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? Being in charge? Yes Making money? No. Nothing is generating revenue. We pay for our connections, servers, etc. Why? Well, since you asked: Reliable up time No ads in the articles Less ads in general Moderated article submittals Because it's something we've wanted to do for ages Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
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As a side note, since we all know your opinion about Google ads on CP, have you thought about buying Google Ads on CP pointing to RealDevs? This would be at least a fine irony, as everyone who would be directed to RealDevs would be bringing money to CP. Everyone wins :-D Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: have you thought about buying Google Ads on CP pointing to RealDevs? Yes, but have you ever figured out what keywords to use to for a code developer site? Nothing that I've found really seems to target well enough. BTW, I have a google ad running for MyXaml. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
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CG was a bit before my time but wasn't the problem there that it got bought out by some corporate and had the soul ripped out and replaced with a cash register? Bit different to the CP problems, no? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
IIRC, that's the way Chris told the story...
When I can talk about 64 bit processors and attract girls with my computer not my car, I'll come out of the closet. Until that time...I'm like "What's the ENTER key?" -Hockey on being a geek
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IIRC, that's the way Chris told the story...
When I can talk about 64 bit processors and attract girls with my computer not my car, I'll come out of the closet. Until that time...I'm like "What's the ENTER key?" -Hockey on being a geek