General discontent on Codeproject?
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I am generally content with CP. There are some problems but (directed at the discontent) what else are you expecting? Utopia? Perfection? Get real. It is good that CP is open enough that people can openly criticise it. I know many sites that would moderate these discussions into oblivion. However I am saddened by the reaction some people have had. They show very little appreciation or respect. I hope some people choose their words with a bit more respect in the future. And yes, of course I am biased. This is a great place. Many of us have spent a lot of our time here and all but the worst have loyalties. As someone above said, there will be good times and bad times. Try not to be a fair weather friend. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: As someone above said, there will be good times and bad times. Try not to be a fair weather friend. Hmmmm, I wish we said the same thing about Codeguru :(( Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Paul Watson wrote: As someone above said, there will be good times and bad times. Try not to be a fair weather friend. Hmmmm, I wish we said the same thing about Codeguru :(( Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
CG was a bit before my time but wasn't the problem there that it got bought out by some corporate and had the soul ripped out and replaced with a cash register? Bit different to the CP problems, no? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Marc Clifton wrote: In part, yes. From your FAQ:
RealDevs is born out of a desire to provide high quality articles and code content for Microsoft Windows developers. We want to provide a positive user experience. While there are banner ads, we ensure that these are not "in your face". Article submittals go through a review board before they are posted, ensuring that the content that you see is always of quality. And frankly, we wanted to be the guys who hold the reins!It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Swedenbjoernen wrote: It seems your site is very similar to Codeproject, why would I visit yours? Is it all about you two being in charge and making money or what? Being in charge? Yes Making money? No. Nothing is generating revenue. We pay for our connections, servers, etc. Why? Well, since you asked: Reliable up time No ads in the articles Less ads in general Moderated article submittals Because it's something we've wanted to do for ages Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
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As a side note, since we all know your opinion about Google ads on CP, have you thought about buying Google Ads on CP pointing to RealDevs? This would be at least a fine irony, as everyone who would be directed to RealDevs would be bringing money to CP. Everyone wins :-D Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote: have you thought about buying Google Ads on CP pointing to RealDevs? Yes, but have you ever figured out what keywords to use to for a code developer site? Nothing that I've found really seems to target well enough. BTW, I have a google ad running for MyXaml. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
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CG was a bit before my time but wasn't the problem there that it got bought out by some corporate and had the soul ripped out and replaced with a cash register? Bit different to the CP problems, no? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
IIRC, that's the way Chris told the story...
When I can talk about 64 bit processors and attract girls with my computer not my car, I'll come out of the closet. Until that time...I'm like "What's the ENTER key?" -Hockey on being a geek
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IIRC, that's the way Chris told the story...
When I can talk about 64 bit processors and attract girls with my computer not my car, I'll come out of the closet. Until that time...I'm like "What's the ENTER key?" -Hockey on being a geek
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Daniel Turini wrote: have you thought about buying Google Ads on CP pointing to RealDevs? Yes, but have you ever figured out what keywords to use to for a code developer site? Nothing that I've found really seems to target well enough. BTW, I have a google ad running for MyXaml. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
Marc Clifton wrote: BTW, I have a google ad running for MyXaml Is it Xamlon? :-D
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CG was a bit before my time but wasn't the problem there that it got bought out by some corporate and had the soul ripped out and replaced with a cash register? Bit different to the CP problems, no? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Bit different to the CP problems, no? Yes, the main problem was with the ad. Personally, this is all business - it is up to the players to work hard to keep the spectators/fans etc. The content providers are not just spending nights writing articles for the love of Codeproject. I think this is what most here are failing to realize. It is up to Chris and his group/team to put up a "nice show" to stop any "leak", not emotions (again remember this is business, play it with your head not your heart). Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Marc Clifton wrote: BTW, I have a google ad running for MyXaml Is it Xamlon? :-D
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Daniel Turini wrote: Psst! Don't talk too loud or Marc may hear it! Too late! :-D Daniel Turini wrote: 1,242,226 members This is a really misleading number, don't you think? I mean, you have to become a member so that you can download an article's code. But it certainly is no indication of ACTIVE members, is it? Heaven forbid that the "online" number at the top of the forum would be this large! Daniel Turini wrote: there maybe a few old timers Is there no respect for us oldtimers? :-D Daniel Turini wrote: We are statistically irrelevant Hmmm. Maybe that's why I don't vote either. I'm statistically irrelevant among the 100's of millions people in this country. :-D Daniel Turini wrote: The rest of us are simply people who are allowed to use CP. What Nathan and Colin said. The rest of us are simply the people who see the ads and possibly buy the products. :-D Daniel Turini wrote: Using CodeProject, as any other site, is a privilege, not a right. IMO, if you offer a service on the Internet, then people expect a certain quality of service. Therefore, it seems that it IS a right to go to this site and expect a certain QoS. If someone wants to make it a priviledge, then it should be structured in such a way that the QoS and other privileges are subscriber based. My 2c: if I were an advertiser on CP, I would be disgruntled with the frequent downtime, slowness, and growing discontent. Come to think of it, since articles are a way of advertising the author, I AM disgruntled! Sufficiently so that I wanted a different presence for some of my articles so that when I refer people to them, I can expect a certain level of QoS. Well, those are my opinions. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
Marc Clifton wrote: Daniel Turini wrote: 1,242,226 members This is a really misleading number, don't you think? I mean, you have to become a member so that you can download an article's code. But it certainly is no indication of ACTIVE members, is it? Heaven forbid that the "online" number at the top of the forum would be this large! I can't believe that anyone would believe this number as a true reflection of "membership". Hell, I have 2 or 3 ids and my wife has 1. This is just a pumped up number to help sell advertising. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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Paul Watson wrote: As someone above said, there will be good times and bad times. Try not to be a fair weather friend. Hmmmm, I wish we said the same thing about Codeguru :(( Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Actually CodeGuru's problems weren't going to be solved with patience. CG was bought by a company that didn't care one iota about the site or its members - only the ad revenue. In fact, I was told by management that they didn't see the value of improving or fixing the site because they were charging as much as they could for advertising so why spend money and not get anything in return. This was the mind set and the reason I finally left. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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IIRC, that's the way Chris told the story...
When I can talk about 64 bit processors and attract girls with my computer not my car, I'll come out of the closet. Until that time...I'm like "What's the ENTER key?" -Hockey on being a geek
Actually Chris left as soon as the site was sold and wasn't there when EarthWeb owned and ran the site. However, that is the gist of it. (Read my response to Paul) Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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What did happen then, David? Ummm...what you said. ;P I said that if I recall correctly, that's the way that Chris did tell the story... I'd have to do a search of the Lounge to find the thread where he gave a small history of CP.
When I can talk about 64 bit processors and attract girls with my computer not my car, I'll come out of the closet. Until that time...I'm like "What's the ENTER key?" -Hockey on being a geek
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From http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=750035#xx750035xx: OK boys and girls, gather round... A long, long time ago, back when the world was newer and the grass was greener and internet stocks were on speed, a young man named Zafir Anjum started a website to host chapters of a book he was writing. The site soon became known as the MFC Programmer's Sourcebook and it was Good. Soon, a few caring, sharing, and, in my case, easily distractable people started sending Zafir whitepapers to complement the chapters he had posted, and the site grew. As it grew, more people used his site, and more people contributed. One day it all grew so big that Zafir decided to change the name to CodeGuru and bring a few of us on board properly in order to spread the load and make the site Better. Life was good. The birds chirped each morning, developers read the site, participated in the forums, and sent angry email about broken links. I was running the day-to-day site business while Zafir fed the gnomes running the backend system. And the site grew. Soon Tom Archer came on board to help take some more of the load. There were also about 20 volunteers in varying degrees of busyness handling article submissions. Developers developed, authors submitted, advertisers advertised and links were broken. Then in July 1999 the EarthWeb machinery appeared and swallowed the site. Zafir went back home to India for some rest while the rest of us milled around, gnashing our teeth and wringing our hands now that we had been locked out of the site and could no longer post submissions or fix broken links. There was much wailing. After 3 months David Cunningham and I decided that there had been too much wailing and too much gnashing and so hunkered down and, pebble by pebble, started building a new site. It would be what we always dreamed could be done. It would be fun. It would be comprehensive. It would be running on flaky Windows servers instead of robust Linux servers. And it would be Orange. That day, November 15, 1999, CodeTools was born. Then we discovered CodeTools was trademarked so 2 weeks later CodeProject was born. Or reborn. Or renamed. Or whatever.
When I can talk about 64 bit processors and attract girls with my computer not my car, I'll come out of the closet. Until that time...I'm like "What's the ENTER key?" -Hockey on being
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Marc Clifton wrote: Daniel Turini wrote: 1,242,226 members This is a really misleading number, don't you think? I mean, you have to become a member so that you can download an article's code. But it certainly is no indication of ACTIVE members, is it? Heaven forbid that the "online" number at the top of the forum would be this large! I can't believe that anyone would believe this number as a true reflection of "membership". Hell, I have 2 or 3 ids and my wife has 1. This is just a pumped up number to help sell advertising. Cheers, Tom Archer "Use what talents you possess. The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best." - William Blake * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
Tom Archer wrote: This is just a pumped up number to help sell advertising. Yeah, and it did not grow really fast until you had to sign in in order to download ;) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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From http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=750035#xx750035xx: OK boys and girls, gather round... A long, long time ago, back when the world was newer and the grass was greener and internet stocks were on speed, a young man named Zafir Anjum started a website to host chapters of a book he was writing. The site soon became known as the MFC Programmer's Sourcebook and it was Good. Soon, a few caring, sharing, and, in my case, easily distractable people started sending Zafir whitepapers to complement the chapters he had posted, and the site grew. As it grew, more people used his site, and more people contributed. One day it all grew so big that Zafir decided to change the name to CodeGuru and bring a few of us on board properly in order to spread the load and make the site Better. Life was good. The birds chirped each morning, developers read the site, participated in the forums, and sent angry email about broken links. I was running the day-to-day site business while Zafir fed the gnomes running the backend system. And the site grew. Soon Tom Archer came on board to help take some more of the load. There were also about 20 volunteers in varying degrees of busyness handling article submissions. Developers developed, authors submitted, advertisers advertised and links were broken. Then in July 1999 the EarthWeb machinery appeared and swallowed the site. Zafir went back home to India for some rest while the rest of us milled around, gnashing our teeth and wringing our hands now that we had been locked out of the site and could no longer post submissions or fix broken links. There was much wailing. After 3 months David Cunningham and I decided that there had been too much wailing and too much gnashing and so hunkered down and, pebble by pebble, started building a new site. It would be what we always dreamed could be done. It would be fun. It would be comprehensive. It would be running on flaky Windows servers instead of robust Linux servers. And it would be Orange. That day, November 15, 1999, CodeTools was born. Then we discovered CodeTools was trademarked so 2 weeks later CodeProject was born. Or reborn. Or renamed. Or whatever.
When I can talk about 64 bit processors and attract girls with my computer not my car, I'll come out of the closet. Until that time...I'm like "What's the ENTER key?" -Hockey on being
>It would be running on flaky Windows servers instead of robust Linux servers. And it would be Orange. :laugh: :laugh: Ah, yes, no wonder I have lurked around this place for so long. It is orange, it runs on Windows and yet is still grand. It will be good when Chris gets back from his convalescence and the rumour mill and it's little mongers can wither in the face of facts and a good heart. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Bee Master wrote: Is it Xamlon? X| Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
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Tom Archer wrote: This is just a pumped up number to help sell advertising. Yeah, and it did not grow really fast until you had to sign in in order to download ;) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
My Photos[^] New developersite: RealDevs.NetI see RD.NET does not require signing in to be able to download code. Do you foresee that changing as the site gets more popular or do you hope you can combat leechers with other methods? I am sure Chris fought long and hard before requiring you to sign up to download on CP and he and many other websites in similar situations would love a better solution. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I see RD.NET does not require signing in to be able to download code. Do you foresee that changing as the site gets more popular or do you hope you can combat leechers with other methods? I am sure Chris fought long and hard before requiring you to sign up to download on CP and he and many other websites in similar situations would love a better solution. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Do you foresee that changing as the site gets more popular or do you hope you can combat leechers with other methods? I don't see it change... (At least I hope we can avoid it) One way to combat it is to write a http handler for zip-files, and set some limits on how much you can download and how fast. There are other ways to handle it too. I won't implement any of those before its a real problem though... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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Daniel Turini wrote: have you thought about buying Google Ads on CP pointing to RealDevs? Yes, but have you ever figured out what keywords to use to for a code developer site? Nothing that I've found really seems to target well enough. BTW, I have a google ad running for MyXaml. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog RealDevs.Net
Marc Clifton wrote: Yes, but have you ever figured out what keywords to use to for a code developer site? Nothing that I've found really seems to target well enough. Just buy the words for the top articles. It's easy to figure out which words are related to each article. :) Yes, even I am blogging now!