Web Developer != Programmer
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One of the threads in here makes me want to ask what you think about the perception of Web Developers. I'd be willing to bet that every one of you "true" Web Developers have heard someone say that they develop web sites and you KNOW that they have no idea what they're talking about outside of exporting Microsoft Word or using Frontpage (which I use along with VS2003). Do you think it hurts the profession when there are so many who claim to be able to build a web site who have no idea about the non-static development environment, who have never connected to a database, had to deal with indexes and execution plans, load balancing, etc? When every Joe and his mother can claim to build web sites, does it financially affect those of us who actually can? Granted, not all web sites need to be dynamic, not all need CSS, not all need header and footer files and controls. Is this really an opportunity to pass off mundane work to the less skilled or is it a loss of easy money? --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.
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One of the threads in here makes me want to ask what you think about the perception of Web Developers. I'd be willing to bet that every one of you "true" Web Developers have heard someone say that they develop web sites and you KNOW that they have no idea what they're talking about outside of exporting Microsoft Word or using Frontpage (which I use along with VS2003). Do you think it hurts the profession when there are so many who claim to be able to build a web site who have no idea about the non-static development environment, who have never connected to a database, had to deal with indexes and execution plans, load balancing, etc? When every Joe and his mother can claim to build web sites, does it financially affect those of us who actually can? Granted, not all web sites need to be dynamic, not all need CSS, not all need header and footer files and controls. Is this really an opportunity to pass off mundane work to the less skilled or is it a loss of easy money? --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.
Having recently tried to get a useable interface developed in HTML, I have new found respect for web-developers who can make HTML/JavaScript sing. There is certainly a skill to it. Web Developers do get a bad rep, but lets face it - the tools and language available aren't exactly conducive to creating maintainable/easy to read source code. Michael CP Blog [^]
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One of the threads in here makes me want to ask what you think about the perception of Web Developers. I'd be willing to bet that every one of you "true" Web Developers have heard someone say that they develop web sites and you KNOW that they have no idea what they're talking about outside of exporting Microsoft Word or using Frontpage (which I use along with VS2003). Do you think it hurts the profession when there are so many who claim to be able to build a web site who have no idea about the non-static development environment, who have never connected to a database, had to deal with indexes and execution plans, load balancing, etc? When every Joe and his mother can claim to build web sites, does it financially affect those of us who actually can? Granted, not all web sites need to be dynamic, not all need CSS, not all need header and footer files and controls. Is this really an opportunity to pass off mundane work to the less skilled or is it a loss of easy money? --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.
While it can take quite a bit of work writing HTML/Javascript sites, most web developers have always had a bad rap from those that know nothing more than templates which they fill in the blanks. The spend days or weeks trying to make a simple HTML site work well and someone comes along and knocks out a site in hours with Frontpage using its themes. Most of the novice build primarily simple sites with a couple pages and little if any dynamic content. This comparison is only valid web sites though, most of us now design and build "web applications". These can be as complex n-tier application where the actual presentation layer is a small part of the whole site. These are as rich as any Windows application and require as much if not more planing to keep scalable and maintainable. I also focus on using the label "web application developer". While you can approach a business and ask if they have a web site or would like on built, this can cause them to think of the kid that came in offering a $95 web site, where if you ask if they have extended their business online with an web application, it can cross a line of simple web sites into the world of business applications. While not every business needs a "web application", many in todays world will require exposing or consuming web services when working with either clients or suppliers. It is a whole new ball game out their today. Of course there are a ton of businesses that have no web presence and can still benefit from even a simple site. But those can be time consuming for the pay and the kid down the road might be getting a lot of your customers ;) Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com
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Having recently tried to get a useable interface developed in HTML, I have new found respect for web-developers who can make HTML/JavaScript sing. There is certainly a skill to it. Web Developers do get a bad rep, but lets face it - the tools and language available aren't exactly conducive to creating maintainable/easy to read source code. Michael CP Blog [^]
Yes, and I also think that it is a big difference to build a simple web page, static web site, and a database-driven web application. Rado
Radoslav Bielik http://www.neomyz.com/poll [^] - Get your own web poll
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One of the threads in here makes me want to ask what you think about the perception of Web Developers. I'd be willing to bet that every one of you "true" Web Developers have heard someone say that they develop web sites and you KNOW that they have no idea what they're talking about outside of exporting Microsoft Word or using Frontpage (which I use along with VS2003). Do you think it hurts the profession when there are so many who claim to be able to build a web site who have no idea about the non-static development environment, who have never connected to a database, had to deal with indexes and execution plans, load balancing, etc? When every Joe and his mother can claim to build web sites, does it financially affect those of us who actually can? Granted, not all web sites need to be dynamic, not all need CSS, not all need header and footer files and controls. Is this really an opportunity to pass off mundane work to the less skilled or is it a loss of easy money? --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.
GISnet wrote: When every Joe and his mother can claim to build web sites, does it financially affect those of us who actually can? My opinion is that in the long run, yes it does. It should lead to more money to those who can do the more sophisticated stuff. In the short run, it might lead to overpaid underexperienced people that you had in the nineties. Script kiddies making nearly six figures a year because they learned two dozen html tags. Paul