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    What two words do you find used incorrectly the most? Two that come to mind immediately for me are these: Noxious: "I feel noxious." This is incorrect, because fumes are noxious and make a person feel nauseated. Irregardless: "Irregardless of what you may think, this sentence is incorrect." Regardless is already negative and does not need the prefix “ir” to make it more negative. "Regardless of what you may think, this sentence is correct." --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.

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    The following: From an American news report many years ago, the interviewer asked this question: * "How do you view the situation judgementallywise?" Huh?? you mean "How do you judge the situation?" A couple from TechEd: * "You can colorize the various elements of the source code." Please most of the people in this room don't have English as their first language, please keep it simple: "You can colour the various elements of the source code" * "In this dialog you can choose the colorization of the text." Same comment as before. How about: "In this dialog you can choose the colour of the text". * "The woman was burglarized while she was out shopping". You mean "The woman was burgled while she was out shopping". What is it with trying to lengthen words? Are these people trying to sound more self important because they can use words of greater than two syllables? Yes, okay - I realise these are probably quite acceptable in American English, but they all seem to come into the category of using lenthier words where a shorter one will be quite enough.


    "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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      The following: From an American news report many years ago, the interviewer asked this question: * "How do you view the situation judgementallywise?" Huh?? you mean "How do you judge the situation?" A couple from TechEd: * "You can colorize the various elements of the source code." Please most of the people in this room don't have English as their first language, please keep it simple: "You can colour the various elements of the source code" * "In this dialog you can choose the colorization of the text." Same comment as before. How about: "In this dialog you can choose the colour of the text". * "The woman was burglarized while she was out shopping". You mean "The woman was burgled while she was out shopping". What is it with trying to lengthen words? Are these people trying to sound more self important because they can use words of greater than two syllables? Yes, okay - I realise these are probably quite acceptable in American English, but they all seem to come into the category of using lenthier words where a shorter one will be quite enough.


      "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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      Colin Angus Mackay wrote: probably quite acceptable in American English Colin Angus Mackay wrote: judgementallywise Colin Angus Mackay wrote: colorize Colin Angus Mackay wrote: burglarized I don't believe it!! Please tell me that's not true. "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"

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      • G GISnet

        What two words do you find used incorrectly the most? Two that come to mind immediately for me are these: Noxious: "I feel noxious." This is incorrect, because fumes are noxious and make a person feel nauseated. Irregardless: "Irregardless of what you may think, this sentence is incorrect." Regardless is already negative and does not need the prefix “ir” to make it more negative. "Regardless of what you may think, this sentence is correct." --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.

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        Number one for me : the word at as in, "where are you at ?" I hear this so often that it is very, very annoying. Number two : got with a contraction of have as in, "I've got three computers." The correct phrase is, "I have three computers." I hear those two words used incorrectly far more often than I hear them used correctly. Frequently by educated people too. :rolleyes: This reminds of another common mistake - incorrect use of adverbs such as, "he write bad," when it should be badly. __________________________________________ a two cent stamp short of going postal.

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          Hmm, perhaps you're right. "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"

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          Sometimes that concatenation gets deep down under my skin and starts to itch. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?

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            What two words do you find used incorrectly the most? Two that come to mind immediately for me are these: Noxious: "I feel noxious." This is incorrect, because fumes are noxious and make a person feel nauseated. Irregardless: "Irregardless of what you may think, this sentence is incorrect." Regardless is already negative and does not need the prefix “ir” to make it more negative. "Regardless of what you may think, this sentence is correct." --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.

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            One I never knew until pointed out to me: Flounder vs. Founder Flounder is a fish. Founder is to run aground. "My business is beginning to founder" - my business isn't doing too well. "I like to fish for flounder" - and then grill it or stuff it. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin

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              Sometimes that concatenation gets deep down under my skin and starts to itch. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?

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              Atleast you don't have to deal with y'all. That makes my blood boil "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"

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                What two words do you find used incorrectly the most? Two that come to mind immediately for me are these: Noxious: "I feel noxious." This is incorrect, because fumes are noxious and make a person feel nauseated. Irregardless: "Irregardless of what you may think, this sentence is incorrect." Regardless is already negative and does not need the prefix “ir” to make it more negative. "Regardless of what you may think, this sentence is correct." --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.

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                "I have a doubt." when they mean "I have a question." And while I notice misuse of Can and May I find correcting it to be a lost cause, normally responded to with a rather obnoxious saying; "Whatever!" regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                  Colin Angus Mackay wrote: probably quite acceptable in American English Colin Angus Mackay wrote: judgementallywise Colin Angus Mackay wrote: colorize Colin Angus Mackay wrote: burglarized I don't believe it!! Please tell me that's not true. "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"

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                  Ramanan Sivan wrote: Please tell me that's not true I would like to, but I cannot. The Colorize / Colorization person was the only session at TechEd'01 where I walked out half way through in disgust - not just at that, but that whole session was a waste of time. The speaker was supposed to be showing everyone the new features of VS.NET but instead we got told about all these wonderful features, some of which I remember from V2.1 (when I started working with Visual Studio), there was very little new information.


                  "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                    What two words do you find used incorrectly the most? Two that come to mind immediately for me are these: Noxious: "I feel noxious." This is incorrect, because fumes are noxious and make a person feel nauseated. Irregardless: "Irregardless of what you may think, this sentence is incorrect." Regardless is already negative and does not need the prefix “ir” to make it more negative. "Regardless of what you may think, this sentence is correct." --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.

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                    Correct: 1. "I'm broke" - meaning I have no money. 2. "This computer is broken" - meaning it doesn't work. Incorrect: 3. "This computer is broke." However, if something is really badly hosed, I often find myself using 3 on purpose just for emphasis. :-D "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin

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                      The following: From an American news report many years ago, the interviewer asked this question: * "How do you view the situation judgementallywise?" Huh?? you mean "How do you judge the situation?" A couple from TechEd: * "You can colorize the various elements of the source code." Please most of the people in this room don't have English as their first language, please keep it simple: "You can colour the various elements of the source code" * "In this dialog you can choose the colorization of the text." Same comment as before. How about: "In this dialog you can choose the colour of the text". * "The woman was burglarized while she was out shopping". You mean "The woman was burgled while she was out shopping". What is it with trying to lengthen words? Are these people trying to sound more self important because they can use words of greater than two syllables? Yes, okay - I realise these are probably quite acceptable in American English, but they all seem to come into the category of using lenthier words where a shorter one will be quite enough.


                      "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                      How about "I can't help but ..."

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                        How about "I can't help but ..."

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                        Colin Angus Mackay
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                        Vivic wrote: How about "I can't help but ..." :confused: I don't understand. What do you mean? Oops! I just realised it was another example. :doh:


                        "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                          Another one (yes, you've hit one of my pet subjects - you'll regret it soon ;P ) Split infinitives. Actually, I didn't used to pick up on it until I was rereading something that I wrote a few weeks ago and it just didn't sound right. When I reordered the words I realised that I had corrected a split infinitive.


                          "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                          Would you be so kind as to explain split infinitives to this mere mortal, please? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                            Would you be so kind as to explain split infinitives to this mere mortal, please? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                            It is when you split the infinitive form of the verb. For example: "To go" is the infinitive form. If you insert a word between the "to" and the "go" you get a split infinitive. For those that can see where this is going (Hint: Think Star Trek) the most famouse split infinitive is "To boldly go where no man has gone before". In the "Broken Bow" episode of "Enterprise" the sentence was said by Zephram Cochran correctly: "To go boldly where no man has gone before."* * For the pedants among you, I realise this isn't actually a sentence - but I wasn't going to quote the whole thing.


                            "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                              Ramanan Sivan wrote: Please tell me that's not true I would like to, but I cannot. The Colorize / Colorization person was the only session at TechEd'01 where I walked out half way through in disgust - not just at that, but that whole session was a waste of time. The speaker was supposed to be showing everyone the new features of VS.NET but instead we got told about all these wonderful features, some of which I remember from V2.1 (when I started working with Visual Studio), there was very little new information.


                              "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                              Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Colorize / Colorization Was this someone in Britan? Its shocking how poor everyone's English is nowadays. Even that of native English speakers (I'm not one of them) I remember reading an article sometime back listing mistakes that English majors at Oxford (of all places) had made in their essays. I wonder if I can hunt that up now. It was enough to drive a man to drink X| "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"

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                                It is when you split the infinitive form of the verb. For example: "To go" is the infinitive form. If you insert a word between the "to" and the "go" you get a split infinitive. For those that can see where this is going (Hint: Think Star Trek) the most famouse split infinitive is "To boldly go where no man has gone before". In the "Broken Bow" episode of "Enterprise" the sentence was said by Zephram Cochran correctly: "To go boldly where no man has gone before."* * For the pedants among you, I realise this isn't actually a sentence - but I wasn't going to quote the whole thing.


                                "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                                Thank you. Now I can simply blame hours of Star Trek viewing for my poor grammar. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                                  Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Colorize / Colorization Was this someone in Britan? Its shocking how poor everyone's English is nowadays. Even that of native English speakers (I'm not one of them) I remember reading an article sometime back listing mistakes that English majors at Oxford (of all places) had made in their essays. I wonder if I can hunt that up now. It was enough to drive a man to drink X| "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"

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                                  Ramanan Sivan wrote: Was this someone in Britan? No, an American. Actually (I know I shouldn't say this) she looked like a typical example of what's called "Trailer Trash" Ramanan Sivan wrote: Even that of native English speakers You should go to the Netherlands. There are many people that speak English better than the English.


                                  "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                                    "I have a doubt." when they mean "I have a question." And while I notice misuse of Can and May I find correcting it to be a lost cause, normally responded to with a rather obnoxious saying; "Whatever!" regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Ian Darling wrote: "and our loonies usually end up doing things like Monty Python." Crikey! ain't life grand?

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                                    Hmm, that must be a South African thing, I've never heard anyone say "I have a doubt." to mean "I have a question." I do frequently hear things like, "I doubt this will work." but AFAIK that is correct usage. "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin

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                                      Ramanan Sivan wrote: Was this someone in Britan? No, an American. Actually (I know I shouldn't say this) she looked like a typical example of what's called "Trailer Trash" Ramanan Sivan wrote: Even that of native English speakers You should go to the Netherlands. There are many people that speak English better than the English.


                                      "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way!

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                                      Colin Angus Mackay wrote: the Netherlands Yeah I've listened to Bergkamp talk many times. He has an accent but he speaks quite well. But has has lived in England for quite sometime. Likewise other Dutch players like Guillt(when he was managing Newcastle), Cruyff . Colin Angus Mackay wrote: what's called "Trailer Trash :) "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"

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                                        What two words do you find used incorrectly the most? Two that come to mind immediately for me are these: Noxious: "I feel noxious." This is incorrect, because fumes are noxious and make a person feel nauseated. Irregardless: "Irregardless of what you may think, this sentence is incorrect." Regardless is already negative and does not need the prefix “ir” to make it more negative. "Regardless of what you may think, this sentence is correct." --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.

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                                        What bugs me is randomly capitalizing one of the middle letters of your last name. :mad:


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                                          What two words do you find used incorrectly the most? Two that come to mind immediately for me are these: Noxious: "I feel noxious." This is incorrect, because fumes are noxious and make a person feel nauseated. Irregardless: "Irregardless of what you may think, this sentence is incorrect." Regardless is already negative and does not need the prefix “ir” to make it more negative. "Regardless of what you may think, this sentence is correct." --- I bought a Dell XPS gaming system, started a fan site, and never looked back.

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                                          Navin
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                                          You insure a house or car. You ensure your code works correctly. I have seen this misused many times - even in print. (How anal is this - I actually e-mailed a food vendor after seeing "insure" used incorrectly on the label.) "Fish and guests stink in three days." - Benjamin Franlkin

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