us neosocs (dems), eu neosocs and one benito mussolini
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Stan Shannon wrote: but for any practical purpose there is no difference between them yeah. i was discussing this very thing yesterday down at the state-owned auto factory, while eating a sandwich prepared at the state-owned cafeteria made from food grown at state-owned farms. Stan Shannon wrote: If we don't, human civilization will simply spiral down a cultural drain like so much sewage. the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! Piss and Moan! Software | Cleek
Sky is not falling but you're losing libery after liberty bringing you to the point where you personally don't even care if your fellow citizen are taxed 90% - because in your view they're just rich pigs (...or jews in Germany). You don't care if you force half of the population down your etatist road while they do not do this to you and they give you the choice and the freedom in return. That's sort of decomposition of society that socialism and militant leftism brings. And, btw, in Europe following chapter would be considered militant left screaming (with objective to ridicule opponent point of view instead of fighting it with arguments). It was very popular with national socialists (...and so were the loud applauses shown in red). the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling!
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Stan Shannon wrote: Not the kind of history we are normally exposed to in the the Marxist controlled school systems. Very good, Stanley. You managed to leave the rails completely in the first paragraph! I don't know how they do things in whatever backwater you live in, but in my community the schools are run by an elected school board, and the teachers are average members of the community. Why one of my elementary teachers was even a hunter!
Antoher comment - http://www.dizzy-girl.net/archives/000330.html[^] Such militant behaviour is well described in a book You can't say that! http://mason.gmu.edu/~dbernste/book/[^] These are signs of what I'm writing - a leftism gone too far, liberalism becoming means of economical opression of more capable and responsible citizens by the dem mob. Tomaz
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Sky is not falling but you're losing libery after liberty bringing you to the point where you personally don't even care if your fellow citizen are taxed 90% - because in your view they're just rich pigs (...or jews in Germany). You don't care if you force half of the population down your etatist road while they do not do this to you and they give you the choice and the freedom in return. That's sort of decomposition of society that socialism and militant leftism brings. And, btw, in Europe following chapter would be considered militant left screaming (with objective to ridicule opponent point of view instead of fighting it with arguments). It was very popular with national socialists (...and so were the loud applauses shown in red). the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling! the sky is falling!the sky is falling!
Tomaž Štih wrote: Sky is not falling but you're losing libery after liberty bringing you to the point where you personally don't even care if your fellow citizen are taxed 90% Slippery Slope[^] Tomaž Štih wrote: That's sort of decomposition of society that socialism and militant leftism brings. see above. Software | Cleek
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In the first section, the Lazy Thinker provides quotes from Mussolini which he claims demonstrate how "The Left" is equivalent to Mussolini's Fascism. Clearly Mussolini was bad, therefore anything that agrees with or parallels anything he said must also be bad.
Mussolini: "When the present regime breaks down, we must be ready at once to take its place" Lazy Thinker: Again a great Leftist hope and aspiration.
Mussolini's quote is a core belief of any revolutionary group. You can find this sentiment in groups from Communists to militant right-wing black-helicopter fanatics in the US. There's nothing Fascist about it, at all. It is, essentially, the heart of what it means to be a revolutionary. Some groups will wait for the downfall, some will encourage it - they all want to be ready when it happens.
Mussolini: "The present method of political representation cannot suffice". Lazy Thinker: Modern-day Leftists too seem to seek influence outside the normal democratic channels -- from strikes and demonstrations to often successful attempts to get the courts to make law.
Again, nothing Fascist about Mussolini's quote - it's basic revolutionary rhetoric. Then, the Lazy Author lists things that are irrelevant to political orientation, and to Mussolini's quote, since all of what he lists is fully supported by the US Constitution - nothing outside "normal democratic channels".
Mussolini: "... one would there find no ordered expression of doctrine but a series of aphorisms, anticipations and aspirations". Lazy Thinker: This is how Mussolini described early Fascist meetings. Modern-day Leftist agitators too seem more interested in slogans than in any form of rational debate.
Yes, the anti-American, pro-Saddam, Librul, Feminazi, Freedom-fried, America-hating "Leftist agitators" are too interested in slogans. It's too bad Timothy McVeigh didn't blow up the New York Times, or that we couldn't bomb the State Department, or that we couldn't cut their mic's, or tell them to Shut Up! Shut Up! Shut Up!. Then we could have some real debate, and get past that sloganeering. Aspirations? You mean like this one:
"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." - Grover Norquist, head of the ultra-right-wing " Americans for Tax Reform", and lobbiest.
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In the first section, the Lazy Thinker provides quotes from Mussolini which he claims demonstrate how "The Left" is equivalent to Mussolini's Fascism. Clearly Mussolini was bad, therefore anything that agrees with or parallels anything he said must also be bad.
Mussolini: "When the present regime breaks down, we must be ready at once to take its place" Lazy Thinker: Again a great Leftist hope and aspiration.
Mussolini's quote is a core belief of any revolutionary group. You can find this sentiment in groups from Communists to militant right-wing black-helicopter fanatics in the US. There's nothing Fascist about it, at all. It is, essentially, the heart of what it means to be a revolutionary. Some groups will wait for the downfall, some will encourage it - they all want to be ready when it happens.
Mussolini: "The present method of political representation cannot suffice". Lazy Thinker: Modern-day Leftists too seem to seek influence outside the normal democratic channels -- from strikes and demonstrations to often successful attempts to get the courts to make law.
Again, nothing Fascist about Mussolini's quote - it's basic revolutionary rhetoric. Then, the Lazy Author lists things that are irrelevant to political orientation, and to Mussolini's quote, since all of what he lists is fully supported by the US Constitution - nothing outside "normal democratic channels".
Mussolini: "... one would there find no ordered expression of doctrine but a series of aphorisms, anticipations and aspirations". Lazy Thinker: This is how Mussolini described early Fascist meetings. Modern-day Leftist agitators too seem more interested in slogans than in any form of rational debate.
Yes, the anti-American, pro-Saddam, Librul, Feminazi, Freedom-fried, America-hating "Leftist agitators" are too interested in slogans. It's too bad Timothy McVeigh didn't blow up the New York Times, or that we couldn't bomb the State Department, or that we couldn't cut their mic's, or tell them to Shut Up! Shut Up! Shut Up!. Then we could have some real debate, and get past that sloganeering. Aspirations? You mean like this one:
"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." - Grover Norquist, head of the ultra-right-wing " Americans for Tax Reform", and lobbiest.
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In the first section, the Lazy Thinker provides quotes from Mussolini which he claims demonstrate how "The Left" is equivalent to Mussolini's Fascism. Clearly Mussolini was bad, therefore anything that agrees with or parallels anything he said must also be bad.
Mussolini: "When the present regime breaks down, we must be ready at once to take its place" Lazy Thinker: Again a great Leftist hope and aspiration.
Mussolini's quote is a core belief of any revolutionary group. You can find this sentiment in groups from Communists to militant right-wing black-helicopter fanatics in the US. There's nothing Fascist about it, at all. It is, essentially, the heart of what it means to be a revolutionary. Some groups will wait for the downfall, some will encourage it - they all want to be ready when it happens.
Mussolini: "The present method of political representation cannot suffice". Lazy Thinker: Modern-day Leftists too seem to seek influence outside the normal democratic channels -- from strikes and demonstrations to often successful attempts to get the courts to make law.
Again, nothing Fascist about Mussolini's quote - it's basic revolutionary rhetoric. Then, the Lazy Author lists things that are irrelevant to political orientation, and to Mussolini's quote, since all of what he lists is fully supported by the US Constitution - nothing outside "normal democratic channels".
Mussolini: "... one would there find no ordered expression of doctrine but a series of aphorisms, anticipations and aspirations". Lazy Thinker: This is how Mussolini described early Fascist meetings. Modern-day Leftist agitators too seem more interested in slogans than in any form of rational debate.
Yes, the anti-American, pro-Saddam, Librul, Feminazi, Freedom-fried, America-hating "Leftist agitators" are too interested in slogans. It's too bad Timothy McVeigh didn't blow up the New York Times, or that we couldn't bomb the State Department, or that we couldn't cut their mic's, or tell them to Shut Up! Shut Up! Shut Up!. Then we could have some real debate, and get past that sloganeering. Aspirations? You mean like this one:
"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." - Grover Norquist, head of the ultra-right-wing " Americans for Tax Reform", and lobbiest.
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My guess is he is unemployeed . Many liberals ( read broke ) find themselves in this boat and it is, of course, the fault of the oppressive rich capitalist ruling class ( read Republicans ) that has all the money and won't let go of any of it. Richard This is , of course, composed with tounge firmly in cheel but will still piss certain elements off. To them I quote Mark Twain ( of a sort - not a direct quote ) "Tis better to be pissed off then pissed on" "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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In the first section, the Lazy Thinker provides quotes from Mussolini which he claims demonstrate how "The Left" is equivalent to Mussolini's Fascism. Clearly Mussolini was bad, therefore anything that agrees with or parallels anything he said must also be bad.
Mussolini: "When the present regime breaks down, we must be ready at once to take its place" Lazy Thinker: Again a great Leftist hope and aspiration.
Mussolini's quote is a core belief of any revolutionary group. You can find this sentiment in groups from Communists to militant right-wing black-helicopter fanatics in the US. There's nothing Fascist about it, at all. It is, essentially, the heart of what it means to be a revolutionary. Some groups will wait for the downfall, some will encourage it - they all want to be ready when it happens.
Mussolini: "The present method of political representation cannot suffice". Lazy Thinker: Modern-day Leftists too seem to seek influence outside the normal democratic channels -- from strikes and demonstrations to often successful attempts to get the courts to make law.
Again, nothing Fascist about Mussolini's quote - it's basic revolutionary rhetoric. Then, the Lazy Author lists things that are irrelevant to political orientation, and to Mussolini's quote, since all of what he lists is fully supported by the US Constitution - nothing outside "normal democratic channels".
Mussolini: "... one would there find no ordered expression of doctrine but a series of aphorisms, anticipations and aspirations". Lazy Thinker: This is how Mussolini described early Fascist meetings. Modern-day Leftist agitators too seem more interested in slogans than in any form of rational debate.
Yes, the anti-American, pro-Saddam, Librul, Feminazi, Freedom-fried, America-hating "Leftist agitators" are too interested in slogans. It's too bad Timothy McVeigh didn't blow up the New York Times, or that we couldn't bomb the State Department, or that we couldn't cut their mic's, or tell them to Shut Up! Shut Up! Shut Up!. Then we could have some real debate, and get past that sloganeering. Aspirations? You mean like this one:
"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." - Grover Norquist, head of the ultra-right-wing " Americans for Tax Reform", and lobbiest.
Hmm....Sounds a bit like Guilt by Association: link[^] with a little "Poisoning the Well": link[^] Add a dash of Herring (most prefer Red): link[^] And a little Appealling to Fear: link[^] and you might have all of his arguments :) btw, this isn't at you Chris, just was trying to find out that fallacy you forgot the name of...
Jeremy Kimball I have traveled the gutters, lo these many days, with no signs of life. Well met. -brianwelsch
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Hmm....Sounds a bit like Guilt by Association: link[^] with a little "Poisoning the Well": link[^] Add a dash of Herring (most prefer Red): link[^] And a little Appealling to Fear: link[^] and you might have all of his arguments :) btw, this isn't at you Chris, just was trying to find out that fallacy you forgot the name of...
Jeremy Kimball I have traveled the gutters, lo these many days, with no signs of life. Well met. -brianwelsch
ah yes :) and i think a little Special Pleading[^] would go well, too. ya know... i'm suddenly tempted to come up with 42 different mixed drinks: one for each Logical Fallacy. :beer: Software | Cleek
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ah yes :) and i think a little Special Pleading[^] would go well, too. ya know... i'm suddenly tempted to come up with 42 different mixed drinks: one for each Logical Fallacy. :beer: Software | Cleek
I can only imagine what Ad Hominem would taste like X|
Jeremy Kimball I have traveled the gutters, lo these many days, with no signs of life. Well met. -brianwelsch