Analyzing Kerry's acceptance speech...
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Jason Henderson wrote: I think Bush has done pretty much everything he has said he would do. so, it's not a flip-flop to campaign on a 'nation building' then promptly start not one but two nation building efforts ? he ran on a promise to not touch the Social Security surplus. less than a year later... and... steel tarrifs. creation of the WMD commission. creation of the WMD commission. testifying before the 9/11 commission. Dept of Homeland Security. Ken Lay. Chalabi. OBL. final UN vote on Iraq. McCain-Feingold. assault weapons ban. Bush changed positions on all of those. i'm sure there are more. are they "flip-flops" or something else? Jason Henderson wrote: Kerry has flip-flopped repeatedly on Iraq alone. proof? really. let's see the quotes, the bills and the context for each. Jason Henderson wrote: Didn't you say you had a hard time believing the repubs claims of him being an extreme liberal? i do. but, you didn't use the word "extreme", you said "He is a lib". Jason Henderson wrote: He's got a more liberal voting record in the Senate than Kennedy. again, that's spin. different ranking systems give different results. and again, welcome to america. 'liberal' is not a dirty word and it's not some alien approach to politics: it's the way roughly 50% of the country feels the government should be run. Jason Henderson wrote: He wants to regain our lost respect in Europe now explain how that means "appeasment". i can respect someone earn someone's respect without appeasing them. can you? [ok, i'm completely at a loss as to why this post would get any votes at all] Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: Bush changed positions on all of those. i'm sure there are more. Granted, you can't effectively govern without changing your mind on some things.
- I didn't like the steel tariffs, big Bush mistake IMO.
- WMD Commission? Not sure what you're talking about.
- Testifying before 9/11 - come on.
- Dept. of Homeland Sec. - compromise. I think the Dems wanted this didn't they? Should make you happy.
- Ken Lay - this is a flip-flop?
- Chalabi - he ended up being a crook. you should be happy Bush dumped him.
- OBL - last I heard we were still looking for him
- final UN vote on Iraq - Not sure what you're talking about.
- McCain-Feingold - another mistake. nobody's perfect
- AWB - did he say he wouldn't renew it in the past?
Chris Losinger wrote: Kerry has flip-flopped repeatedly on Iraq alone. proof? really. let's see the quotes, the bills and the context for each. Jeez Chris, he voted to give Bush authority to into Iraq, and just a little while later he's against it. What more proof do you need? Chris Losinger wrote: He's got a more liberal voting record in the Senate than Kennedy. again, that's spin. different ranking systems give different results. and again, welcome to america. 'liberal' is not a dirty word and it's not some alien approach to politics: it's the way roughly 50% of the country feels the government should be run. Yes, but he's still rather high in most results. You can't say he's a moderate. 50% are not liberal. More like 25%. 50% aren't conservative either. Neither are dirty words, but don't both sides use them as such? Anyway, I don't want to use it as a dirty word, but rather as a descriptive term. Kerry is a liberal, not the great Satan mind you, but still the opposite of my ideology. Nothing wrong with being a liberal except that I don't agree with liberalism and I think its a messed up way of thinking. Not realistic and not appealing to me. If Kerry wants to be a liberal, that's fine, but the voting public should know where Kerry stands on the issues.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson<
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Jeff Martin wrote: It's funny how when Clinton was running for office, Vietnam was not an issue at all. It's funny, I remember the WTC was still standing back then.:| Later, JoeSox "If it weren't for baseball, many kids wouldn't know what a millionaire looked like." --Phyllis Diller joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
Some of our greatest war-time presidents had no fighting experience.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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I can't believe it he tossed off such a sloppy salute. If he were going to do somthing that sappy at least he could have done it properly. Other than that, all I heard was the same Communinist Manefesto crap ("Tax the rich!!!! Feed the poor!!!!!")the Democrats have been trying to sell for the last 30 years. "We are here to save Americans (and the world) from America! Vote for me and the government will be used to solve all your problems for you. "... X| BTW, I think the notion of giving "tax relief" to the middle class but taxing the hell out of the "rich" people who give jobs to the middle class to be an utterly ludicrous notion as well as the notion that heatlh care and education are too expensive because the government isn't doing enough to help pay for them. Liberals are idiots. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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If you didn't know he was in Vietnam, well you certainly do now. His service in 'Nam was way overplayed. I'm sure democrats loved it though.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogYep. I believe he spent 3 -4 months in Nam. I spent 13 months - I also have a few awards ( I kept mine ). So I guess I better run for president if thats all it takes. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Jeff Martin wrote: It's funny how when Clinton was running for office, Vietnam was not an issue at all. It's funny, I remember the WTC was still standing back then.:| Later, JoeSox "If it weren't for baseball, many kids wouldn't know what a millionaire looked like." --Phyllis Diller joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: It's funny, I remember the WTC was still standing back then. If you are going to be playing the blame game I would suggest that the root cause is James Earl Carter's dismantling of the CIA and the loss of our ability to gather humint in most of the world. It takes years to develop that kind of assest and only a short time to lose it. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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So we should not have a public school system?
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
The public school system, in and of itself, is probably a fairly innocuous institution as far as economic harm goes. Obviously, children are a net drain on the economy until they are old enough to become productive, and cannot be productive unless they are properly educated. So some system for providing for their education has to be supported somehow. However, public schools still clearly demonstrate the difficulty of getting any sort of government managed social program to function well. They are inherently inefficient and tend to serve more as a means of social/political indoctrination rather than education. The more control government asserts over them, the greater their role as centers of indoctrination become. I think separation of educaton and state is at least as important as separation of church and state. We need a system for getting education back into the hands of the local communities and parents rather than being micromanaged by the centralized federal government. I think, with modern technology, the concept of home/local schooling beomces much more feasible and attractive. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Yep. I believe he spent 3 -4 months in Nam. I spent 13 months - I also have a few awards ( I kept mine ). So I guess I better run for president if thats all it takes. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
You have my vote! "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Chris Losinger wrote: Bush changed positions on all of those. i'm sure there are more. Granted, you can't effectively govern without changing your mind on some things.
- I didn't like the steel tariffs, big Bush mistake IMO.
- WMD Commission? Not sure what you're talking about.
- Testifying before 9/11 - come on.
- Dept. of Homeland Sec. - compromise. I think the Dems wanted this didn't they? Should make you happy.
- Ken Lay - this is a flip-flop?
- Chalabi - he ended up being a crook. you should be happy Bush dumped him.
- OBL - last I heard we were still looking for him
- final UN vote on Iraq - Not sure what you're talking about.
- McCain-Feingold - another mistake. nobody's perfect
- AWB - did he say he wouldn't renew it in the past?
Chris Losinger wrote: Kerry has flip-flopped repeatedly on Iraq alone. proof? really. let's see the quotes, the bills and the context for each. Jeez Chris, he voted to give Bush authority to into Iraq, and just a little while later he's against it. What more proof do you need? Chris Losinger wrote: He's got a more liberal voting record in the Senate than Kennedy. again, that's spin. different ranking systems give different results. and again, welcome to america. 'liberal' is not a dirty word and it's not some alien approach to politics: it's the way roughly 50% of the country feels the government should be run. Yes, but he's still rather high in most results. You can't say he's a moderate. 50% are not liberal. More like 25%. 50% aren't conservative either. Neither are dirty words, but don't both sides use them as such? Anyway, I don't want to use it as a dirty word, but rather as a descriptive term. Kerry is a liberal, not the great Satan mind you, but still the opposite of my ideology. Nothing wrong with being a liberal except that I don't agree with liberalism and I think its a messed up way of thinking. Not realistic and not appealing to me. If Kerry wants to be a liberal, that's fine, but the voting public should know where Kerry stands on the issues.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson<
Jason Henderson wrote: WMD Commission? Not sure what you're talking about. he initally opposed the creation of a commission to look into the WMD intel failure. then, changed his mind. flippity-floppity, right? Jason Henderson wrote: compromise yep. Bush opposed it for over a year (it was in the Hart-Rudmann report). then he saw which way the political winds were blowing and changed course appropriately. sounds an awful lot like the actions of someone who doens't know what he stands for, a real flip-flopper! (that's how the game works, right?) Jason Henderson wrote: Ken Lay - this is a flip-flop? Lay went from "old friend" to someone Bush kinda sorta knew. what happened in between... i bet it had something to do with Enron. Jason Henderson wrote: Chalabi - he ended up being a crook. you should be happy Bush dumped him. i am. but in this game, you're not allowed to change your mind. pick a course, and drive off the edge of the world, cause that's what a man with convictions does. Jason Henderson wrote: Jeez Chris, he voted to give Bush authority to into Iraq, and just a little while later he's against it. if i give you authority to do something and you end up doing it wrong, am i not allowed to criticize how you did it ? and, hey, just look at the poll numbers for support on the war - something like 30% of america has flipped on the war in the last few months. how can we trust america with the future of this country? Jason Henderson wrote: What more proof do you need? that article actually defends Kerry's actions by providing the context in which those decisions were made. and, even demonstrates that he isn't a UN stooge: Kerry said "American security must never be ceded to any institution or to another institution's decision." Jason Henderson wrote: 50% are not liberal. More like 25%. see, i can never tell which definition you guys are using. sometimes, it seems like a liberal is anyone to the left of yourself. sometimes the line is all the way over by Kucinich. sometimes it's a smear, sometimes it's a synonym for "Democrat" (which is also a smear, etc). i guess it helps your cause to destroy the meaning of the word, but it makes discussion difficult.
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean
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Yep. I believe he spent 3 -4 months in Nam. I spent 13 months - I also have a few awards ( I kept mine ). So I guess I better run for president if thats all it takes. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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JoeSox wrote: It's funny, I remember the WTC was still standing back then. If you are going to be playing the blame game I would suggest that the root cause is James Earl Carter's dismantling of the CIA and the loss of our ability to gather humint in most of the world. It takes years to develop that kind of assest and only a short time to lose it. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: If you are going to be playing the blame game I wasn't trying to play a blame game just trying to use his same reasoning. Richard Stringer wrote: I would suggest that the root cause is James Earl Carter's dismantling of the CIA and the loss of our ability to gather humint in most of the world. True but a German buddy of mine was just pointing out that we still have Andrew Jackson on our $20 bills. How quickly we ignore our own dark history. "By 1837, the Jackson administration had removed 46,000 Native American people from their land east of the Mississippi, and had secured treaties which led to the removal of a slightly larger number. Most members of the five southeastern nations had been relocated west, opening 25 million acres of land to white settlement and to slavery." http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2959.html[^] Hitler was not on any monetary units, last time I checked. I say all this because USA = Hypocrisy sad but true, I think I will move to Canada now.:) But this country's Love is like no other and will do anything to win. So I guess that's why it's so great. Resistance is futile. Later, JoeSox "If it weren't for baseball, many kids wouldn't know what a millionaire looked like." --Phyllis Diller joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Jason Henderson wrote: WMD Commission? Not sure what you're talking about. he initally opposed the creation of a commission to look into the WMD intel failure. then, changed his mind. flippity-floppity, right? Jason Henderson wrote: compromise yep. Bush opposed it for over a year (it was in the Hart-Rudmann report). then he saw which way the political winds were blowing and changed course appropriately. sounds an awful lot like the actions of someone who doens't know what he stands for, a real flip-flopper! (that's how the game works, right?) Jason Henderson wrote: Ken Lay - this is a flip-flop? Lay went from "old friend" to someone Bush kinda sorta knew. what happened in between... i bet it had something to do with Enron. Jason Henderson wrote: Chalabi - he ended up being a crook. you should be happy Bush dumped him. i am. but in this game, you're not allowed to change your mind. pick a course, and drive off the edge of the world, cause that's what a man with convictions does. Jason Henderson wrote: Jeez Chris, he voted to give Bush authority to into Iraq, and just a little while later he's against it. if i give you authority to do something and you end up doing it wrong, am i not allowed to criticize how you did it ? and, hey, just look at the poll numbers for support on the war - something like 30% of america has flipped on the war in the last few months. how can we trust america with the future of this country? Jason Henderson wrote: What more proof do you need? that article actually defends Kerry's actions by providing the context in which those decisions were made. and, even demonstrates that he isn't a UN stooge: Kerry said "American security must never be ceded to any institution or to another institution's decision." Jason Henderson wrote: 50% are not liberal. More like 25%. see, i can never tell which definition you guys are using. sometimes, it seems like a liberal is anyone to the left of yourself. sometimes the line is all the way over by Kucinich. sometimes it's a smear, sometimes it's a synonym for "Democrat" (which is also a smear, etc). i guess it helps your cause to destroy the meaning of the word, but it makes discussion difficult.
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean
Chris Losinger wrote: i think they do now. i think the DNC did a good job of telling the country where he stands over the past few days. Yeah, with Michael Moore, and Jimmy Carter and the rest of the leftists in your party.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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The public school system, in and of itself, is probably a fairly innocuous institution as far as economic harm goes. Obviously, children are a net drain on the economy until they are old enough to become productive, and cannot be productive unless they are properly educated. So some system for providing for their education has to be supported somehow. However, public schools still clearly demonstrate the difficulty of getting any sort of government managed social program to function well. They are inherently inefficient and tend to serve more as a means of social/political indoctrination rather than education. The more control government asserts over them, the greater their role as centers of indoctrination become. I think separation of educaton and state is at least as important as separation of church and state. We need a system for getting education back into the hands of the local communities and parents rather than being micromanaged by the centralized federal government. I think, with modern technology, the concept of home/local schooling beomces much more feasible and attractive. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Hey nice post. Stan Shannon wrote: I think separation of educaton and state is at least as important as separation of church and state. We need a system for getting education back into the hands of the local communities and parents rather than being micromanaged by the centralized federal government. So separatism is a good thing then? Schools in the affluent areas would be much better than those in poor communities correct? And you endorse this idea? I certainly don't agree with "central control". It just seems to always fail miserably in most situations, for example the Dilbert factor in corporate environments. However to avoid separatism and the progression of it, which is what happens when the funding is all local, the solution is some sort of "central funding" with the primary goal of "equal opportunity". However locally the schools need enough authority over the implementation to allow for local tailoring. It does seem that the starting point on education is to make it a higher priority in this country. Without that I don't believe anyting meaningful can be accomplished.
Hate is not a family value.
-pete
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Yep. I believe he spent 3 -4 months in Nam. I spent 13 months - I also have a few awards ( I kept mine ). So I guess I better run for president if thats all it takes. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Richard Stringer wrote: If you are going to be playing the blame game I wasn't trying to play a blame game just trying to use his same reasoning. Richard Stringer wrote: I would suggest that the root cause is James Earl Carter's dismantling of the CIA and the loss of our ability to gather humint in most of the world. True but a German buddy of mine was just pointing out that we still have Andrew Jackson on our $20 bills. How quickly we ignore our own dark history. "By 1837, the Jackson administration had removed 46,000 Native American people from their land east of the Mississippi, and had secured treaties which led to the removal of a slightly larger number. Most members of the five southeastern nations had been relocated west, opening 25 million acres of land to white settlement and to slavery." http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2959.html[^] Hitler was not on any monetary units, last time I checked. I say all this because USA = Hypocrisy sad but true, I think I will move to Canada now.:) But this country's Love is like no other and will do anything to win. So I guess that's why it's so great. Resistance is futile. Later, JoeSox "If it weren't for baseball, many kids wouldn't know what a millionaire looked like." --Phyllis Diller joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: "By 1837, the Jackson administration had removed 46,000 Native American people from their land east of the Mississippi, and had secured treaties which led to the removal of a slightly larger number. Most members of the five southeastern nations had been relocated west, opening 25 million acres of land to white settlement and to slavery." And where would you be if he hadn't done that? My own direct ancestors served under Jackson in the Indian wars of the early 19th century and became settlers on the newly opened lands. I find it offensive that you characerize my family's American experience as "dark history". Hell, they established the very concept of what it means to be an American - the frigging Indians didn't. Without their effort and sacrifice this nation would not exist. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Hey nice post. Stan Shannon wrote: I think separation of educaton and state is at least as important as separation of church and state. We need a system for getting education back into the hands of the local communities and parents rather than being micromanaged by the centralized federal government. So separatism is a good thing then? Schools in the affluent areas would be much better than those in poor communities correct? And you endorse this idea? I certainly don't agree with "central control". It just seems to always fail miserably in most situations, for example the Dilbert factor in corporate environments. However to avoid separatism and the progression of it, which is what happens when the funding is all local, the solution is some sort of "central funding" with the primary goal of "equal opportunity". However locally the schools need enough authority over the implementation to allow for local tailoring. It does seem that the starting point on education is to make it a higher priority in this country. Without that I don't believe anyting meaningful can be accomplished.
Hate is not a family value.
-pete
palbano wrote: So separatism is a good thing then? Schools in the affluent areas would be much better than those in poor communities correct? And you endorse this idea? Our very system of government was predicated on such separation. And, yes, the rich would have better education than the poor. The poor would have to work harder. Being poor sucks. The only responsibility the government has to the poor is to maximize their opportunities to work their way out of it. And that means a healthy, growing economy, with low taxes across the board. Government will never, can never, solve the problems we have with education. The more it tries to solve the problem, the worse the problem will become because government is the problem. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Richard Stringer wrote: If you are going to be playing the blame game I wasn't trying to play a blame game just trying to use his same reasoning. Richard Stringer wrote: I would suggest that the root cause is James Earl Carter's dismantling of the CIA and the loss of our ability to gather humint in most of the world. True but a German buddy of mine was just pointing out that we still have Andrew Jackson on our $20 bills. How quickly we ignore our own dark history. "By 1837, the Jackson administration had removed 46,000 Native American people from their land east of the Mississippi, and had secured treaties which led to the removal of a slightly larger number. Most members of the five southeastern nations had been relocated west, opening 25 million acres of land to white settlement and to slavery." http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2959.html[^] Hitler was not on any monetary units, last time I checked. I say all this because USA = Hypocrisy sad but true, I think I will move to Canada now.:) But this country's Love is like no other and will do anything to win. So I guess that's why it's so great. Resistance is futile. Later, JoeSox "If it weren't for baseball, many kids wouldn't know what a millionaire looked like." --Phyllis Diller joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: True but a German buddy of mine was just pointing out that we still have Andrew Jackson on our $20 bills. How quickly we ignore our own dark history. Who was it that said "Anyone who looks at history without context is at best a fool and at worst a revisionist". Abe Lincoln fought as a Captain in the Blackhawk war. Does that also make him a bad boy also. I could go on and on but why bother. Google does not teach - it give facts only. Facts without context are like numbers without operators - worthless while still being valid. JoeSox wrote: Most members of the five southeastern nations had been relocated west, opening 25 million acres of land to white settlement and to slavery." Don't blame the US: http://www.al-islam.org/slavery/1.htm JoeSox wrote: I say all this because USA = Hypocrisy This is ,I hope ,your own opinion. It certainly isn't mine or anyone I know. It is a wonder that so many people risk so much just to get here - seeing as it is such a bad place. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Chris Losinger wrote: i think they do now. i think the DNC did a good job of telling the country where he stands over the past few days. Yeah, with Michael Moore, and Jimmy Carter and the rest of the leftists in your party.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: Yeah, with Michael Moore, and Jimmy Carter and the rest of the leftists in your party. Moore's a populist. -- his whole M.O. is Stick Up For The Little Guy . right now, he thinks w is screwing the Little Guy; ten years ago, it was General Motors. yes, there's an overlap with the Democrats there, but he's not a partisan Democrat as much as he is a Fight The Power kindof guy. he's said numerous times that he'll go after Kerry, if he thinks Kerry is screwing the little guy. Software | Cleek
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Chris Losinger wrote: Bush changed positions on all of those. i'm sure there are more. Granted, you can't effectively govern without changing your mind on some things.
- I didn't like the steel tariffs, big Bush mistake IMO.
- WMD Commission? Not sure what you're talking about.
- Testifying before 9/11 - come on.
- Dept. of Homeland Sec. - compromise. I think the Dems wanted this didn't they? Should make you happy.
- Ken Lay - this is a flip-flop?
- Chalabi - he ended up being a crook. you should be happy Bush dumped him.
- OBL - last I heard we were still looking for him
- final UN vote on Iraq - Not sure what you're talking about.
- McCain-Feingold - another mistake. nobody's perfect
- AWB - did he say he wouldn't renew it in the past?
Chris Losinger wrote: Kerry has flip-flopped repeatedly on Iraq alone. proof? really. let's see the quotes, the bills and the context for each. Jeez Chris, he voted to give Bush authority to into Iraq, and just a little while later he's against it. What more proof do you need? Chris Losinger wrote: He's got a more liberal voting record in the Senate than Kennedy. again, that's spin. different ranking systems give different results. and again, welcome to america. 'liberal' is not a dirty word and it's not some alien approach to politics: it's the way roughly 50% of the country feels the government should be run. Yes, but he's still rather high in most results. You can't say he's a moderate. 50% are not liberal. More like 25%. 50% aren't conservative either. Neither are dirty words, but don't both sides use them as such? Anyway, I don't want to use it as a dirty word, but rather as a descriptive term. Kerry is a liberal, not the great Satan mind you, but still the opposite of my ideology. Nothing wrong with being a liberal except that I don't agree with liberalism and I think its a messed up way of thinking. Not realistic and not appealing to me. If Kerry wants to be a liberal, that's fine, but the voting public should know where Kerry stands on the issues.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson<
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I can't believe it he tossed off such a sloppy salute. If he were going to do somthing that sappy at least he could have done it properly. Other than that, all I heard was the same Communinist Manefesto crap ("Tax the rich!!!! Feed the poor!!!!!")the Democrats have been trying to sell for the last 30 years. "We are here to save Americans (and the world) from America! Vote for me and the government will be used to solve all your problems for you. "... X| BTW, I think the notion of giving "tax relief" to the middle class but taxing the hell out of the "rich" people who give jobs to the middle class to be an utterly ludicrous notion as well as the notion that heatlh care and education are too expensive because the government isn't doing enough to help pay for them. Liberals are idiots. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Well I think we ought to at least have a balanced budget and focus on not allowing corporations to escape paying taxes! Everyone should have the health care that members of Congress do. As for compassion, why is there no compassion for veterans who live on the streets or kids who sleep in the gutter and come from broken homes? Why are so many children in foster homes and in orphanages? Life is only sacred until you're born, then you're on your own buddy? Funny, Bush's reltative Lauren Bush is a TRUELY compassionate person. She's a top model for Elite yet she goes to 3rd world coutnries to help feed the poor with the world food program. W Only left the country once and it wasn't to fee the poor...Just saying it, doesn't make it so. :laugh:
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i thought his speech was pretty good. i'd never seen much of him speaking before - i'd only heard the GOP spin that he was wooden and fake and condescending. i didn't see any of that. he seemed sincere and honest and even likeable. he's certainly not as much of a speaker as the other three stars (Clinton, Obama and Edwards), but few are. most importantly, he gave me a reason to vote for him other than Anyone-But-Bush . Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: he seemed sincere and honest and even likeable. I'd hope so, He went to school for it... The problem is, he was trained too well in an obsolescent tradition. He studied oratory and won prizes for it in prep school and college, at St. Paul's School and Yale. When he graduated from Yale, he gave the class oration. As if that's not enough, he was a champion debater too.[^] ~Nitron.
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