Analyzing Kerry's acceptance speech...
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adonisv wrote: How does capitalism help the poor? By providing a free market economy where they can work hard, improve their lot and never be poor again. How does socialism help the poor? :confused: "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Mike Mullikin wrote: By providing a free market economy where they can work hard, improve their lot and never be poor again. Precisely! Thanks... "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Modern Liberalism unfortunatly is much closer to communist i can't imagine living in a world where this could be even close to meaningful. really, when was the last time you heard anyone in the US call for the state to seize the means of production ? do you think anyone in the Democratic party wants the government to own all the factories ? that's a really frikkin big part of communism. saying something is close to being communism even if it doesn't call for state-owned production is like saying "C++ is really like C, except for all that object stuff!" well, yeah, true. but that "object stuff" is like the whole frikkin point. lots of languages are like C, if you ignore all the differences. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: when was the last time you heard anyone in the US call for the state to seize the means of production Yesterday. All you are doing is proving my point, you miss what is the issues for conservatives. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
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Jason Henderson wrote: Yeah, with Michael Moore, and Jimmy Carter and the rest of the leftists in your party. Moore's a populist. -- his whole M.O. is Stick Up For The Little Guy . right now, he thinks w is screwing the Little Guy; ten years ago, it was General Motors. yes, there's an overlap with the Democrats there, but he's not a partisan Democrat as much as he is a Fight The Power kindof guy. he's said numerous times that he'll go after Kerry, if he thinks Kerry is screwing the little guy. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: populist new spelling for fat moron. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Chris Losinger wrote: when was the last time you heard anyone in the US call for the state to seize the means of production Yesterday. All you are doing is proving my point, you miss what is the issues for conservatives. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: All you are doing is proving my point, you miss what is the issues for conservatives as far as i can tell, the issue is that conservatives think the country is on an slippery slope to inevitable communism. that never ceases to amuse me. but, you missed my point completely. i'll say as simply as i can: you can't be close to something if you aren't close to what distinguishes it from everything else. Software | Cleek
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Chris Losinger wrote: populist new spelling for fat moron. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Mike Mullikin wrote: By providing a free market economy where they can work hard, improve their lot and never be poor again. Precisely! Thanks... "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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adonisv wrote: How would a child provide health care for itself??????????? Probably the same way they did before Government gave itself the job. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: All you are doing is proving my point, you miss what is the issues for conservatives as far as i can tell, the issue is that conservatives think the country is on an slippery slope to inevitable communism. that never ceases to amuse me. but, you missed my point completely. i'll say as simply as i can: you can't be close to something if you aren't close to what distinguishes it from everything else. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: as far as i can tell, the issue is that conservatives think the country is on an slippery slope to inevitable communism. that never ceases to amuse me. Yeah, why be bothered that virtually every social tenent of Marxism has become entrenced in our society over the last 70 years and that the capitalistic system is being dismantled slowly one piece at a time as a result of one pretext or other. Very amusing - if you happen to be a Marxist. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Chris Losinger wrote: i'm not exactly sure why some conservatives insist on using pointless ad hominem attacks... They probably went to the same school as the liberals who say W looks like a chimp. ;) "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Chris Losinger wrote: as far as i can tell, the issue is that conservatives think the country is on an slippery slope to inevitable communism. that never ceases to amuse me. Yeah, why be bothered that virtually every social tenent of Marxism has become entrenced in our society over the last 70 years and that the capitalistic system is being dismantled slowly one piece at a time as a result of one pretext or other. Very amusing - if you happen to be a Marxist. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: why be bothered that virtually every social tenent of Marxism ... except, of course, those which actually define Marxism. it's the simple fact that Marxism is so wildly different from what even the most left-leaning Democrat suggests that make your cries of "Marxism!Marxism!Marxism!" funny. Software | Cleek
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Chris Losinger wrote: i'm not exactly sure why some conservatives insist on using pointless ad hominem attacks... They probably went to the same school as the liberals who say W looks like a chimp. ;) "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Jason Henderson wrote: Yeah, with Michael Moore, and Jimmy Carter and the rest of the leftists in your party. Moore's a populist. -- his whole M.O. is Stick Up For The Little Guy . right now, he thinks w is screwing the Little Guy; ten years ago, it was General Motors. yes, there's an overlap with the Democrats there, but he's not a partisan Democrat as much as he is a Fight The Power kindof guy. he's said numerous times that he'll go after Kerry, if he thinks Kerry is screwing the little guy. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: he's not a partisan Democrat as much as he is a Fight The Power kindof guy Democrats thought of him enough to let him speak at the convention. $100 says he does nothing if Kerry wins the campaign and screws the little guy.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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Stan Shannon wrote: why be bothered that virtually every social tenent of Marxism ... except, of course, those which actually define Marxism. it's the simple fact that Marxism is so wildly different from what even the most left-leaning Democrat suggests that make your cries of "Marxism!Marxism!Marxism!" funny. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: it's the simple fact that Marxism is so wildly different from what even the most left-leaning Democrat suggests that make your cries of "Marxism!Marxism!Marxism!" funny. Well what are the intellectual origins of modern "liberal" principles? Who do you think would be most comfortable with the centralized social control political systems exercise today, Jefferson or Marx? Who do you think would be most comfortable with the promotion of a secualar society by government Jefferson or Marx? Who do you think would be most comfortable with placing increased tax burdens on the "rich" Jefferson or Marx? If there is a third philosophical tradition from which modern politcal systems derive please explain them. As far as I am concerned the contest continues to be between Jefferson and Marx. The modern liberal movement is clearly intent upon the promotion of an essentially and inherently Marxist world view, and fear nothing more than the success of the Jeffersonian ideal. Nothing could be more obvious. Just becasue you give it a different name doesn't change the fact of what it trully is beneath the grand deception. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Modern Liberalism unfortunatly is much closer to communist i can't imagine living in a world where this could be even close to meaningful. really, when was the last time you heard anyone in the US call for the state to seize the means of production ? do you think anyone in the Democratic party wants the government to own all the factories ? that's a really frikkin big part of communism. saying something is close to being communism even if it doesn't call for state-owned production is like saying "C++ is really like C, except for all that object stuff!" well, yeah, true. but that "object stuff" is like the whole frikkin point. lots of languages are like C, if you ignore all the differences. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: Modern Liberalism unfortunatly is much closer to communist I agree, it's silly to call liberals communists. Socialist is a more fitting term, although it is socialism on the social aspects of society, rather than the business. Nationalized Health Care, Welfare, etc. It's still taking private sector responsibility and making it public. I don't think its a good thing and the European economy proves it.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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Their parents take care of them... "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Their parents take care of them... "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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So if I work two jobs, regardless of what TYPE of job it is, I won't be "poor," right??? :omg:
Depends entirely on what those jobs are as well as the other decisions you make in life. Choose wisely. I have known a lot of poor people in my life and every single one of them, including my own parents, and many of my siblings, deserved it. They made poor decisions. Every single person I have known in life who chose to not be poor were able to easily find a way to not be poor, including myself. No government help necessary. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Work harder. When I was a child in the 50's and 60's my parents were poor and there were no government programs or insurance to help us and we were easily able to avail ourselves of health care. They had to work hard, but they did it (with some help from local churches and on one occasion the Lion's club) The more government helps, the harder it is to get it. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Chris Losinger wrote: he's not a partisan Democrat as much as he is a Fight The Power kindof guy Democrats thought of him enough to let him speak at the convention. $100 says he does nothing if Kerry wins the campaign and screws the little guy.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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Chris Losinger wrote: Modern Liberalism unfortunatly is much closer to communist I agree, it's silly to call liberals communists. Socialist is a more fitting term, although it is socialism on the social aspects of society, rather than the business. Nationalized Health Care, Welfare, etc. It's still taking private sector responsibility and making it public. I don't think its a good thing and the European economy proves it.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: I agree, it's silly to call liberals communists. Socialist is a more fitting term, although it is socialism on the social aspects of society, rather than the business. Nationalized Health Care, Welfare, etc. It's still taking private sector responsibility and making it public. I don't think its a good thing and the European economy proves it. That's splitting hairs though. It is a matter of degrees not absolutes. When the socialistic systems fail, as everyone knows they will, a dependent popoulation will demand more help, not less, and the direction will be ever closer to full blown communism. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"