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Marc Clifton wrote: Let's stick to the subject. "Who are the victims of drug use?" You wanted that answered. I was merely heading off at the pass the lame counter arguments that I often hear. these third-world peasants aren't victims of drug use. they are victims of drug production. and, if we're talking about pot, there's a good chance that it came from Canada, or from rural America (in fact, there's a 100% chance i often knew who grew it, personally). Marc Clifton wrote: From the studies I've read in reputable scientific journals, the answer is yes, it can be true. cite? Marc Clifton wrote: But as these things are discovered, the damaging effects continue to stack up, even for one time usage. i'm not convinced it's meaningful. eating grilled meat has been shown to likely cause cancer. should i stop grilling? not a chance. i'd rather enjoy my life than live in irrational fear of miniscule probablities. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: these third-world peasants aren't victims of drug use. they are victims of drug production. ROTF! And, erm, use and production aren't related??? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog Hunt The Wumpus RealDevs.Net
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Chris Losinger wrote: these third-world peasants aren't victims of drug use. they are victims of drug production. ROTF! And, erm, use and production aren't related??? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog Hunt The Wumpus RealDevs.Net
drugs can be produced without creating victims (Phizer does it all the time, as does Purdue Pharma, Miller and RJ Reynolds); even illegal drugs can be made without creating victims: pot does not require its producer and distributor to live in fear and poverty in order to have the desired effect on the user; a person can grow it in any patch of dirt, without putting themselves under the thumb of organized crime. and regardless of how it's produced, i was asking about the victims created by its use (and specifically, my use). because yes, i know (believe me, i know) for some people drugs will wreck their personal lives, their family, their job, everything. none of that happened when i did it. Software | Cleek
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I`m SO there wrote: You're an idiot hmmm... You don't know me, yet you call me an idiot. I don't think you are an idiot, just a hot head who reacts negatively to anyone who has a different opinion than you do. It is something you should work on. These forums are for friendly discussion, not for name calling. We all try to get along here so that we can share our knowledge and opinions. Name calling has no part in that. You are new here on CP, but you will learn.
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Chris Losinger wrote: i've taken drugs PJ Arends wrote: Now that explains a lot. That there sounds like some mighty nice discussin'. It sounds to me like you reacted quite negatively towards Chris because his opinion on this subject differs from yours. I was pointing out that reacting negatively (like you did, then I did on purpose) gets us nowhere. You completely missed the point. I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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I`m SO there wrote: You're an idiot hmmm... You don't know me, yet you call me an idiot. I don't think you are an idiot, just a hot head who reacts negatively to anyone who has a different opinion than you do. It is something you should work on. These forums are for friendly discussion, not for name calling. We all try to get along here so that we can share our knowledge and opinions. Name calling has no part in that. You are new here on CP, but you will learn.
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...and I'm not new here. I've been reading these discussions and participating occasionally for over 2 years. I started a fresh account because I felt like it. I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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Chris Losinger wrote: i've taken drugs PJ Arends wrote: Now that explains a lot. That there sounds like some mighty nice discussin'. It sounds to me like you reacted quite negatively towards Chris because his opinion on this subject differs from yours. I was pointing out that reacting negatively (like you did, then I did on purpose) gets us nowhere. You completely missed the point. I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
Oh, go get as sense of humour
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...and I'm not new here. I've been reading these discussions and participating occasionally for over 2 years. I started a fresh account because I felt like it. I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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Oh, go get as sense of humour
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I think it's you who needs to get a sense of humor. Inserting a nice "friendly" attack in the middle of a serious discussion, without indication that it's a joke, doesn't indicate a good sense of humor to me. Do you really think anyone thought you were joking? Anyways, I'm outta here. I gotta go pick up a sense of humor. Hopefully I can get one as good as yours! :P;) see, it's a joke! I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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I`m SO there wrote: I started a fresh account because I felt like it. So.... who were you before?? Inquiring minds want to know. ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Hmm, I can be anybody I want, right? Well, here's a few hints: I produced OVER 2,000,000,000,000 INFOMERCIALS, with 1,000,000 CELEBRITIES!!!!! I invented a TECHNOLOGY to allow INTERNET downloads of 5,000 GIGABYTES in ZERO, YES ZERO (!!), SECONDS! I don't want to make it too obvious though, so that's all you get. * *Here's[^] my old profile. :laugh::laugh: I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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Hmm, I can be anybody I want, right? Well, here's a few hints: I produced OVER 2,000,000,000,000 INFOMERCIALS, with 1,000,000 CELEBRITIES!!!!! I invented a TECHNOLOGY to allow INTERNET downloads of 5,000 GIGABYTES in ZERO, YES ZERO (!!), SECONDS! I don't want to make it too obvious though, so that's all you get. * *Here's[^] my old profile. :laugh::laugh: I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
That would certainly explain the "SO" in caps in your new name. Subtle. :) Regards, Alvaro
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I'd be honored! ;) "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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joshfl wrote: simple question PJ. Have you ever used Marijuana? Simple answer. No. I saw the effect it was having on the people around me who were using, and it was not a pretty sight. And besides, the stink the stuff gives off is a major turn off for me X|
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PJ Arends wrote: simple question PJ. Have you ever used Marijuana? Simple answer. No. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Thats a mighty solid position you have there, lol. Legalize Marijuana
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PJ Arends wrote: simple question PJ. Have you ever used Marijuana? Simple answer. No. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Thats a mighty solid position you have there, lol. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. :rolleyes: "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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PJ Arends wrote: simple question PJ. Have you ever used Marijuana? Simple answer. No. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Thats a mighty solid position you have there, lol. Legalize Marijuana
Ok, then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one among us, can finally answer my question of WHY?!? Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life.
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Ok, then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one among us, can finally answer my question of WHY?!? Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life.
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PJ Arends wrote: Ok, then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one among us, can finally answer my question of WHY?!? Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life. see my new topic. Legalize Marijuana
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joshfl wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. :rolleyes: "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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joshfl wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. :rolleyes: "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Mike Mullikin wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. It does have something to offer to someone who is suicidal. ;) Besides, I don't think such an extreme example as yours applies to marijuana. Let's see, 0 , count them 0 deaths EVER recorded in the U.S. due to marijuana. I'm just guessing here, maybe 97% of all people shot in the face w/ a 12 gauge shotgun die instantaneously. Legalize Marijuana
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. It does have something to offer to someone who is suicidal. ;) Besides, I don't think such an extreme example as yours applies to marijuana. Let's see, 0 , count them 0 deaths EVER recorded in the U.S. due to marijuana. I'm just guessing here, maybe 97% of all people shot in the face w/ a 12 gauge shotgun die instantaneously. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Let's see, 0 , count them 0 deaths EVER recorded in the U.S. due to marijuana. I disagree. There have been 10's of thousands of people over the years and across the world who have died in auto accidents who had alcohol AND marijuana in their systems. Who's to say which one made them drive 100 mph into the bridge embankment... while on the way to the Kwik-E-Mart... for Cheetos? ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Ok, then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one among us, can finally answer my question of WHY?!? Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life.
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PJ Arends wrote: then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one Btw, You'll notice those are all your words not mine. I don't call you names. I did not say I'm the oracle of wisdom. I don't hate you or your lifestyle. More power to you for being who you are. I just get a tad bit annoyed when I want to live my life (quite peaceful and humble I might add) and people try to lock me up for it. I'm not trying to make you live my lifestyle or value system. I'm just requesting you not try to impose yours on me. Maybe you'll understand that when you read my thread. PJ Arends wrote: Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. It could, it could not. Does it have to do all these things for you, in order for others to use it? PJ Arends wrote: Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. It could, it could not. Does it have to do all these things for you, in order for others to use it? PJ Arends wrote: Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life. Maybe it has alot to offer you. Maybe it has nothing. Your very defensive, but I don't recall anyone demanding that you use marijuana. Just a request for tolerance towards others who do. Legalize Marijuana
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joshfl wrote: Let's see, 0 , count them 0 deaths EVER recorded in the U.S. due to marijuana. I disagree. There have been 10's of thousands of people over the years and across the world who have died in auto accidents who had alcohol AND marijuana in their systems. Who's to say which one made them drive 100 mph into the bridge embankment... while on the way to the Kwik-E-Mart... for Cheetos? ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Mike Mullikin wrote: I disagree. There have been 10's of thousands of people over the years and across the world who have died in auto accidents who had alcohol AND marijuana in their systems. Who's to say which one made them drive 100 mph into the bridge embankment... Thats right, whos to say? But regardless, does this somehow validate your extreme (ie, out of place, out of context, etc.) example previously? Lets go for arguments sake with 1/10th of 1 percent of all pot smokers die because of marijuana (directly or indirectly). (<- This is way too high but for arguments sake) I still maintain roughly 97% of all people shot in the face w/ a 12 gauge die instantly. Your previous example was absurd, and you still have not validated it. Legalize Marijuana
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PJ Arends wrote: then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one Btw, You'll notice those are all your words not mine. I don't call you names. I did not say I'm the oracle of wisdom. I don't hate you or your lifestyle. More power to you for being who you are. I just get a tad bit annoyed when I want to live my life (quite peaceful and humble I might add) and people try to lock me up for it. I'm not trying to make you live my lifestyle or value system. I'm just requesting you not try to impose yours on me. Maybe you'll understand that when you read my thread. PJ Arends wrote: Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. It could, it could not. Does it have to do all these things for you, in order for others to use it? PJ Arends wrote: Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. It could, it could not. Does it have to do all these things for you, in order for others to use it? PJ Arends wrote: Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life. Maybe it has alot to offer you. Maybe it has nothing. Your very defensive, but I don't recall anyone demanding that you use marijuana. Just a request for tolerance towards others who do. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: I just get a tad bit annoyed when I want to live my life... And I hate it when people tell me I can not have an opinion just because I have never tried something. I am sure there are many things that you consider to be wrong, even though you have never done them. Obviously pot is not one of them, and that is up to you. I will not, and have never, imposed my views on anyone. But at the same time I will voice my opinion on things that I feel strongly about. I will live my life according to my beliefs and convictions. I do not like drugs, I have seen how it has ruined peoples lives, and I am not afraid to say it. It may not have ruined your life yet (not saying it will), but if you break the law, you should be willing to face the consequences. If you don't like a law, work to get it changed. That is after all what a democracy is all about. But don't expect me to roll over and play dead if I don't agree with you.
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