killer weed!
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...and I'm not new here. I've been reading these discussions and participating occasionally for over 2 years. I started a fresh account because I felt like it. I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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Oh, go get as sense of humour
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I think it's you who needs to get a sense of humor. Inserting a nice "friendly" attack in the middle of a serious discussion, without indication that it's a joke, doesn't indicate a good sense of humor to me. Do you really think anyone thought you were joking? Anyways, I'm outta here. I gotta go pick up a sense of humor. Hopefully I can get one as good as yours! :P;) see, it's a joke! I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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I`m SO there wrote: I started a fresh account because I felt like it. So.... who were you before?? Inquiring minds want to know. ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Hmm, I can be anybody I want, right? Well, here's a few hints: I produced OVER 2,000,000,000,000 INFOMERCIALS, with 1,000,000 CELEBRITIES!!!!! I invented a TECHNOLOGY to allow INTERNET downloads of 5,000 GIGABYTES in ZERO, YES ZERO (!!), SECONDS! I don't want to make it too obvious though, so that's all you get. * *Here's[^] my old profile. :laugh::laugh: I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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Hmm, I can be anybody I want, right? Well, here's a few hints: I produced OVER 2,000,000,000,000 INFOMERCIALS, with 1,000,000 CELEBRITIES!!!!! I invented a TECHNOLOGY to allow INTERNET downloads of 5,000 GIGABYTES in ZERO, YES ZERO (!!), SECONDS! I don't want to make it too obvious though, so that's all you get. * *Here's[^] my old profile. :laugh::laugh: I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
That would certainly explain the "SO" in caps in your new name. Subtle. :) Regards, Alvaro
Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.
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I'd be honored! ;) "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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joshfl wrote: simple question PJ. Have you ever used Marijuana? Simple answer. No. I saw the effect it was having on the people around me who were using, and it was not a pretty sight. And besides, the stink the stuff gives off is a major turn off for me X|
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PJ Arends wrote: simple question PJ. Have you ever used Marijuana? Simple answer. No. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Thats a mighty solid position you have there, lol. Legalize Marijuana
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PJ Arends wrote: simple question PJ. Have you ever used Marijuana? Simple answer. No. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Thats a mighty solid position you have there, lol. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. :rolleyes: "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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PJ Arends wrote: simple question PJ. Have you ever used Marijuana? Simple answer. No. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Thats a mighty solid position you have there, lol. Legalize Marijuana
Ok, then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one among us, can finally answer my question of WHY?!? Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life.
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joshfl wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. :rolleyes: "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Ok, then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one among us, can finally answer my question of WHY?!? Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life.
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PJ Arends wrote: Ok, then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one among us, can finally answer my question of WHY?!? Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life. see my new topic. Legalize Marijuana
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joshfl wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER tried and/or used marijuana , PJ can assure you all that it has absolutly nothing to offer. Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. :rolleyes: "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Mike Mullikin wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. It does have something to offer to someone who is suicidal. ;) Besides, I don't think such an extreme example as yours applies to marijuana. Let's see, 0 , count them 0 deaths EVER recorded in the U.S. due to marijuana. I'm just guessing here, maybe 97% of all people shot in the face w/ a 12 gauge shotgun die instantaneously. Legalize Marijuana
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Remember kids, as someone who has NEVER shot himself in the face with a 12 ga. shotgun, Mike can assure you all that it has absolutely nothing to offer. It does have something to offer to someone who is suicidal. ;) Besides, I don't think such an extreme example as yours applies to marijuana. Let's see, 0 , count them 0 deaths EVER recorded in the U.S. due to marijuana. I'm just guessing here, maybe 97% of all people shot in the face w/ a 12 gauge shotgun die instantaneously. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Let's see, 0 , count them 0 deaths EVER recorded in the U.S. due to marijuana. I disagree. There have been 10's of thousands of people over the years and across the world who have died in auto accidents who had alcohol AND marijuana in their systems. Who's to say which one made them drive 100 mph into the bridge embankment... while on the way to the Kwik-E-Mart... for Cheetos? ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Ok, then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one among us, can finally answer my question of WHY?!? Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life.
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PJ Arends wrote: then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one Btw, You'll notice those are all your words not mine. I don't call you names. I did not say I'm the oracle of wisdom. I don't hate you or your lifestyle. More power to you for being who you are. I just get a tad bit annoyed when I want to live my life (quite peaceful and humble I might add) and people try to lock me up for it. I'm not trying to make you live my lifestyle or value system. I'm just requesting you not try to impose yours on me. Maybe you'll understand that when you read my thread. PJ Arends wrote: Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. It could, it could not. Does it have to do all these things for you, in order for others to use it? PJ Arends wrote: Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. It could, it could not. Does it have to do all these things for you, in order for others to use it? PJ Arends wrote: Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life. Maybe it has alot to offer you. Maybe it has nothing. Your very defensive, but I don't recall anyone demanding that you use marijuana. Just a request for tolerance towards others who do. Legalize Marijuana
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joshfl wrote: Let's see, 0 , count them 0 deaths EVER recorded in the U.S. due to marijuana. I disagree. There have been 10's of thousands of people over the years and across the world who have died in auto accidents who had alcohol AND marijuana in their systems. Who's to say which one made them drive 100 mph into the bridge embankment... while on the way to the Kwik-E-Mart... for Cheetos? ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
Mike Mullikin wrote: I disagree. There have been 10's of thousands of people over the years and across the world who have died in auto accidents who had alcohol AND marijuana in their systems. Who's to say which one made them drive 100 mph into the bridge embankment... Thats right, whos to say? But regardless, does this somehow validate your extreme (ie, out of place, out of context, etc.) example previously? Lets go for arguments sake with 1/10th of 1 percent of all pot smokers die because of marijuana (directly or indirectly). (<- This is way too high but for arguments sake) I still maintain roughly 97% of all people shot in the face w/ a 12 gauge die instantly. Your previous example was absurd, and you still have not validated it. Legalize Marijuana
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PJ Arends wrote: then tell a poor old ignorant fool like myself what it has to offer. Maybe you, the wisest, most enlightened one Btw, You'll notice those are all your words not mine. I don't call you names. I did not say I'm the oracle of wisdom. I don't hate you or your lifestyle. More power to you for being who you are. I just get a tad bit annoyed when I want to live my life (quite peaceful and humble I might add) and people try to lock me up for it. I'm not trying to make you live my lifestyle or value system. I'm just requesting you not try to impose yours on me. Maybe you'll understand that when you read my thread. PJ Arends wrote: Maybe you can enlighten me as to all the great and good things that await those who partake in the weed, how smoking it will make ones life so much better, so much richer and more fulfilling. It could, it could not. Does it have to do all these things for you, in order for others to use it? PJ Arends wrote: Tell me how doing drugs will make my business more successful, my family love me more, my friends think more highly of me. It could, it could not. Does it have to do all these things for you, in order for others to use it? PJ Arends wrote: Tell me how it will make others take my opinions seriously. I want to know what it has to offer that is so far lacking in my life. Maybe it has alot to offer you. Maybe it has nothing. Your very defensive, but I don't recall anyone demanding that you use marijuana. Just a request for tolerance towards others who do. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: I just get a tad bit annoyed when I want to live my life... And I hate it when people tell me I can not have an opinion just because I have never tried something. I am sure there are many things that you consider to be wrong, even though you have never done them. Obviously pot is not one of them, and that is up to you. I will not, and have never, imposed my views on anyone. But at the same time I will voice my opinion on things that I feel strongly about. I will live my life according to my beliefs and convictions. I do not like drugs, I have seen how it has ruined peoples lives, and I am not afraid to say it. It may not have ruined your life yet (not saying it will), but if you break the law, you should be willing to face the consequences. If you don't like a law, work to get it changed. That is after all what a democracy is all about. But don't expect me to roll over and play dead if I don't agree with you.
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Christian Graus wrote: The question is, how do you make this so ? That's where it gets tough. Here's my rationale for making/keeping it illegal: There are (IMHO) many, many young people who first try pot simply because it is illegal. The old "forbidden fruit" theory. Cigarettes and alcohol are illegal for minors but they're legal for adults so kids desire a "next step" that allows them to rebel. For most kids the first "next step" is all they need. They smoke a little pot through their teens and even early adulthood. They feel like they've rebeled against "the man", they mature and they move on. But what happens if pot were legal? I seriously fear that their first "next step" becomes cocaine, ecstasy or heroin. IMHO it's best to keep something "fairly" tame like pot as the first "next step". Yes - there are those who will get to the "hard stuff" no matter what is legal or illegal - I'm talking majorities and averages here. :) "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
That's actually reasonably sensible, I have to admit :-) Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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So you are saying that you would have no problem with your daughter getting high on marijuana every night, slowly frying her brains to the point she can't function. Heck, why stop at pot, kids are doing crystal meth, so we might as well legalize that too. That way the goverment can make money off it, can set quality standards so that the meth is pure, not laced with crap. It only kills those dumb enough to over do it, but that is their problem, right? The same can be said for any drug. Legalize them all! It's the law that's the problem, not the drugs. We as a civil society have a responsibility to look after the weak among us. And it is better to stop them from hurting themselves in the first place, rather then picking them up after they have hit rock bottom. We will never have 100% success, but we still have to try. Laws are not there to stop people from having fun, they are there to stop people from hurting themselves and others. I would have thought that you, as a Christian, would realize that. Seems that common sense is not so common after all:sigh:
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PJ Arends wrote: slowly frying her brains to the point she can't function. I would dispute that smoking pot would guarentee that effect, but by the same token, my point ( which you obviously missed ) is that I believe in education, not legislation. I don't want my daughter to drink, smoke, do drugs, or have promiscous sex. My approach in every case is to teach her my reasons why I think these are bad things to do, and for her to then be constrained by her own decency, not by the whims of the law. PJ Arends wrote: That way the goverment can make money off it, can set quality standards so that the meth is pure, not laced with crap. Too bad you didn't use heroin as an example. Most of the problems associated with heroin, including the death of users, is the result of poor supply. Again, I don't endorse the use of heroin, but you need to realise that the poor/variable quality of drugs on the street is a major source of the problems caused to users. My point here is that the issue is more complex than the little world you see. PJ Arends wrote: It only kills those dumb enough to over do it, but that is their problem, right? Well, that is our government's attitude to smoking, so why be hypocritical ? PJ Arends wrote: Laws are not there to stop people from having fun, they are there to stop people from hurting themselves and others. I would have thought that you, as a Christian, would realize that. Actually, the point of Christianity is that people recieve the Holy Spirit from God and are thereby internally motivated to do good, instead of being constrained by laws ( which was the old testament way, and doomed to failure ). So when I say that I think it's better to educate than legislate, I'm showing that I am a Christian, rather than a Jew. :-) Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Christian Graus wrote: victimless crime I've never understood this "victimless crime" thing. Numerous studies have shown that the victims are brain damaged children born to alcoholic/drug abusing mothers, children alcoholic/drug abusive parents, not to mention the hundreds of pointless maimings and deaths of innocent people by drunk drivers and drug crazed people with weapons. Where, please tell me where, anyone can say taking drugs or abusing alcohol is victimless? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog Hunt The Wumpus RealDevs.Net
Hi Marc, good to see you :-) Marc Clifton wrote: Numerous studies have shown that the victims are brain damaged children born to alcoholic/drug abusing mothers Seeing as you brought up alcohol, you need then for your crusade to be prohibition. Yes, you're right. We don't do enough to protect children in these cases, IMO. We should do more in the case of alcohol abuse, because it's easier to police, given that alcohol is legal to buy. Marc Clifton wrote: children alcoholic/drug abusive parents You're creating a false link here - I'm not sure every abusive parent is an alcoholic or drug addict. Either way, the crime is child abuse. The drug most likely to exacerbate this is alcohol. Marc Clifton wrote: not to mention the hundreds of pointless maimings and deaths of innocent people by drunk drivers and drug crazed people with weapons. Once again, alcohol is the main problem here. It's the drug most likely to make people aggro. Marc Clifton wrote: Where, please tell me where, anyone can say taking drugs or abusing alcohol is victimless? Driving is now a capital crime. The people who cause hit and run accidents are all drivers, hence driving is the problem. See what I mean ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I disagree. There have been 10's of thousands of people over the years and across the world who have died in auto accidents who had alcohol AND marijuana in their systems. Who's to say which one made them drive 100 mph into the bridge embankment... Thats right, whos to say? But regardless, does this somehow validate your extreme (ie, out of place, out of context, etc.) example previously? Lets go for arguments sake with 1/10th of 1 percent of all pot smokers die because of marijuana (directly or indirectly). (<- This is way too high but for arguments sake) I still maintain roughly 97% of all people shot in the face w/ a 12 gauge die instantly. Your previous example was absurd, and you still have not validated it. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Your previous example was absurd, and you still have not validated it. It wasn't meant to be a serious comparison. I used an extreme condition to point out that one does not have to experience something to know it's not healthy. You asked PJ if he had ever smoked pot. He said "No". You immediately discredited him and his opinion in turn. Get it?! It was also an attempt at humour. ;) "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Chris Losinger wrote: because That stupid answer does not explain to me why any one wants to scrammble their brains. I know to many people who seemed to be reasonably intelligent when they were younger and now can't hold down a minimum skill job because their brains are all messed up. Their lives are totally ruined because of drug abuse. From what I have seen, absolutely no good comes from it, and a lot of bad. Drugs are a lose-lose situation. Until someone can give me a logical, well thought out reason why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) is a good or neccesary thing I will continue to oppose them, and continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. 1
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PJ Arends wrote: That stupid answer does not explain to me why any one wants to scrammble their brains. I know to many people who seemed to be reasonably intelligent when they were younger and now can't hold down a minimum skill job because their brains are all messed up. Their lives are totally ruined because of drug abuse. From what I have seen, absolutely no good comes from it, and a lot of bad. Drugs are a lose-lose situation BTW, I must combat this stereo-type of yours. I have been smoking on and off for 12 years. Since I was 12 years old. (Yes, it was very young to start, and my childhood is another story all together.) I was on my own at 16 (no it was not because of pot, although pot helped me get thru more than a few bad days ;) ) I'm 24 now. My job title is 'Project Director.' (I'm not that impressed as I am really not concerned w/ status, but other people are ;) ) I can code. I can build an accumulater out of relays. I am able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. I am nothing like the stereo-type you describe. Whats funny to me is I grew up around people who smoked pot my whole life. I do not know anyone who is the way you describe that has only smoked pot. (I've known some junkies like that, but they were far beyond weed.) With your admittal that you have never smoked pot before, and your negative stereo-typical views about the people smoking it, I really feel you do not have much experience with the drug or the culture to be making these kind of assertions. What is a shame is most the anti-drug zealots perspectives have been shaped by the same inexperienced hearsay as you are spitting out. I'm 24, I make 60K,live in a pish-posh neighborhood, and drive a new car ;) Oh yea, and I usually burn a doob before dinner when I get home. Is this the misery weed will bring me? Legalize Marijuana