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Mike Mullikin wrote: It wasn't meant to be a serious comparison. It was a serious discussion. Everytime I have ever clashed w/ you mike, you either stray from the point or make a ridiculous example. Can't you stay on topic and represent your position within the context of the discussion. Counter my points, and make a few of your own, hmm? Mike Mullikin wrote: I used an extreme condition to point out that one does not have to experience something to know it's not healthy. And I pointed out the flaw in your logic that your analagy does not apply to weed, it primarily applies to things like shotgun blasts to the face. I did not say healthy. Of course pot is not healthy for your body parts. Your lungs are never too happy about smoke being drawn into them. I said 'absolutly nothing to offer'. I think we both know short of being suicidal shooting oneself w/ said shotgun does not have much to offer. This is why there is no shotgun face shooting epidemic going around. Weed, however, has a much more complex set of pros & cons. Its not black and white such as the shotgun thing, and is the reason why there is a large subculture of marijuana smokers. Mike Mullikin wrote: You asked PJ if he had ever smoked pot. He said "No". You immediately discredited him and his opinion in turn. I was trying to identify and broadcast to others his experience and credentials to be speaking on the subject. He has no personal experience w/ marijuana and only has negative things to say about it. It just seems to me that perspective might not be representative of the entire picture. Mike Mullikin wrote: Get it?! It was also an attempt at humour. I'm still your friend mike, but maaann we dont think much alike. ;) Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Can't you stay on topic and represent your position within the context of the discussion. I already did - down below in the thread in a discussion with Christian & Chris. But today is the day after the thread was born and my easily bored mind starts to wonder and I get silly. I honestly never thought anyone would take my shotgun comparison literally. joshfl wrote: I'm still your friend mike, but maaann we dont think much alike. Maybe it's all those years you've been smoking pot? ;P Or maybe it's all those years I've been sipping margaritas? ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Chris Losinger wrote: marijuana is good in the same way any other non-addictive drug is good. It's addictive in its own right - just like alcohol. Neither of them are chemically addicting (esp. when compared to other drugs), but both of them can be mentally addicting. Also, we all know weed is a gateway drug. It rarely stops there. And, it does fry the brain. And, is it my place to tell people not to use it? No! But, it is my place to want it be to outlawed so my kids, people I care about, etc. won't have easier access to it. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: It's addictive in its own right - just like alcohol. Neither of them are chemically addicting Actually, alcohol is chemically addictive. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Also, we all know weed is a gateway drug Do we? The concept is absurd. One could equally well claim that meeting people socially is the real gateway. Jeremy Falcon wrote: And, is it my place to tell people not to use it? No! But, it is my place to want it be to outlawed so my kids, people I care about, etc. won't have easier access to it. Your logic here is really screwy. If you want it outlawed, then you want to tell people they can't use it.
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That would certainly explain the "SO" in caps in your new name. Subtle. :) Regards, Alvaro
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Ba-dum-ching! I really didn't notice that until you pointed it out :) BTW, apparently I have a new article up today? Sweet!? :evilcackle: I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2
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KaЯl wrote: Moreover, some people are much more sensitive to THC *ding ding ding ding* And I am the winner on that subject. :-D I can't understand how people actually enjoy that buzz! It's like being in a carousel that's spinning about as fast as light itself. And not to mention how fast my short term memory deteriorates when I've got THC in my blood. My memory shrinks into a 1 minute frame - I can't remember anything that happened 2 minutes earlier. Wine's my drug of choice. :cool: -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
Qu'importe le flacon, pourvu qu'on ait l'ivresse! = (nevermind the bottle, as long as you're intoxicated ) I'm not fond of alcohol myself, I'm sick too easily, the opposite of your situation. And now that I'm a pure non-smoker (15 days and holding! :cool: ), I will have to suffer Life without any artificial diversion :sigh: I can't wait for the invention of a spray of THC. There's a big market for such a product (I give the idea for almost free, I just want free samples for a life time :rolleyes: )
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Qu'importe le flacon, pourvu qu'on ait l'ivresse! = (nevermind the bottle, as long as you're intoxicated ) I'm not fond of alcohol myself, I'm sick too easily, the opposite of your situation. And now that I'm a pure non-smoker (15 days and holding! :cool: ), I will have to suffer Life without any artificial diversion :sigh: I can't wait for the invention of a spray of THC. There's a big market for such a product (I give the idea for almost free, I just want free samples for a life time :rolleyes: )
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KaЯl wrote: I'm not fond of alcohol myself, I'm sick too easily, the opposite of your situation. Well, heh, I can get pretty sick by drinking alcohol too! :-D But I usually require a rather large quantity of alcohol before I get sick. I need perhaps a quarter of a joint to be stoned beyond recognition. The last time (and my last time I've decided!), I remember "walking out of the haze" just outside where I lived (I've moved since), only to find a bunch of kids (18, 19 years old), having some sort of rapping contest. The next thing I remembered was my bathroom ceiling light. Apparently I had fallen asleep on my bathroom floor (which has happened under alcohol influence as well :-O) KaЯl wrote: 15 days and holding! Hang in there! Actually, I'm laying off the booze for an indefinite amount of time. I promised myself on midsummer's eve that I would not drink for a long time. It's been 1.5 months since, and I believe I can manage at least 1.5 more months. If I manage that long, I can probably manage until next summer, as I generally don't like drinking during the winter. KaЯl wrote: I can't wait for the invention of a spray of THC. There's a big market for such a product (I give the idea for almost free, I just want free samples for a life time ) I've heard stories about making tea out of cannabis leaves and sprouts. Would that work to your satisfaction? -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
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KaЯl wrote: I'm not fond of alcohol myself, I'm sick too easily, the opposite of your situation. Well, heh, I can get pretty sick by drinking alcohol too! :-D But I usually require a rather large quantity of alcohol before I get sick. I need perhaps a quarter of a joint to be stoned beyond recognition. The last time (and my last time I've decided!), I remember "walking out of the haze" just outside where I lived (I've moved since), only to find a bunch of kids (18, 19 years old), having some sort of rapping contest. The next thing I remembered was my bathroom ceiling light. Apparently I had fallen asleep on my bathroom floor (which has happened under alcohol influence as well :-O) KaЯl wrote: 15 days and holding! Hang in there! Actually, I'm laying off the booze for an indefinite amount of time. I promised myself on midsummer's eve that I would not drink for a long time. It's been 1.5 months since, and I believe I can manage at least 1.5 more months. If I manage that long, I can probably manage until next summer, as I generally don't like drinking during the winter. KaЯl wrote: I can't wait for the invention of a spray of THC. There's a big market for such a product (I give the idea for almost free, I just want free samples for a life time ) I've heard stories about making tea out of cannabis leaves and sprouts. Would that work to your satisfaction? -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: need perhaps a quarter of a joint to be stoned beyond recognition. Lucky guy! :laugh::laugh: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The next thing I remembered was my bathroom ceiling light Yep, the famous "Black Hole" ...generally more associated with alcohol, but always a strange experience (I'm lucky I never experencied such a thing...ouf!). And always these scary questions: what happened during this time, why are all my friends laughing when talking about it, and why do I have a big hole in the back of my trousers? :rolleyes: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Hang in there! Stopping pot is very, very easy. But this fucking tobacco, it's another story! What a bloody drug! The first week I could have killed any life on Earth...after two weeks, that better, I just want to kill half of it :rolleyes: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm laying off the booze for an indefinite amount of time Problem of alcoholism? :~ Or just a will to change of life style? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I've heard stories about making tea out of cannabis leaves and sprouts Yeah, it works too. You can also mix some cannabis to cook what we call a "space cake"...nothing new there, Baudelaire used hashish as marmalade on a slice of bread. The "problem" is the effect is slower to come, but last much more and need bigger quantities of product.
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Gary Kirkham wrote: Not hardly, what does the legal system have to do with a crack addict that spends all of his money to support an ever increasing demand for more crack. He can't hold down a job because he is high all the time and is forced to steal from others (or turn to prostitution if female) just to buy his next fix. Crack is a drug that should definately remain illegal, but to answer your questions: What the legal system has to do with it is the fact that s/he is spending all their money/turning to crime because of the high price of the drug, which in turn, is caused by the fact that it's sold illegally by people looking to make the highest possible profit, and to cover the costs of AK-47's, etc. Gary Kirkham wrote: If an addict turns to other forms of crime just to support his habit it could hardly be called victimless. You're right, and you've made a major leap in the substance we are discussing. However, the drug taking is still victimless, the crime is the theft/whatever, which occurs BECAUSE the drug is illegal, and therefore price and supply is in the hands of criminals. Gary Kirkham wrote: What about children who are forced to live in hunger and squalor because mamma can't afford food and is too high to care. That happens with alcohol today. So again, any problem that can be brought up, can equally be applied to currently legal drugs. We have agencies dedicated to removing children from harmful situations, and not all of them involve drugs, although most probably do, because the same people stupid enough to do that to their own kids, are probably stupid enough to do hard drugs. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: Crack is a drug that should definately remain illegal, Why? Are you the same person who wrote this? Christian Graus wrote: Personally, I don't do any of them, but I don't care what is and isn't legal. To me, it's all just a form of natural selection, and I'd rate dope as less of a problem than either of the legal drugs I mentioned. Make up your mind Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Christian Graus wrote: Crack is a drug that should definately remain illegal, Why? Are you the same person who wrote this? Christian Graus wrote: Personally, I don't do any of them, but I don't care what is and isn't legal. To me, it's all just a form of natural selection, and I'd rate dope as less of a problem than either of the legal drugs I mentioned. Make up your mind Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Yes, I personally don't care what drugs are and are not legal, because ( and this is my point ) I don't take drugs because they are bad for me, not because they are illegal. Anyone who takes crack has nothing to offer society anyhow. That does not mean I think it should be legal, just that I personally don't care if it is. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: need perhaps a quarter of a joint to be stoned beyond recognition. Lucky guy! :laugh::laugh: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The next thing I remembered was my bathroom ceiling light Yep, the famous "Black Hole" ...generally more associated with alcohol, but always a strange experience (I'm lucky I never experencied such a thing...ouf!). And always these scary questions: what happened during this time, why are all my friends laughing when talking about it, and why do I have a big hole in the back of my trousers? :rolleyes: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Hang in there! Stopping pot is very, very easy. But this fucking tobacco, it's another story! What a bloody drug! The first week I could have killed any life on Earth...after two weeks, that better, I just want to kill half of it :rolleyes: Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm laying off the booze for an indefinite amount of time Problem of alcoholism? :~ Or just a will to change of life style? Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I've heard stories about making tea out of cannabis leaves and sprouts Yeah, it works too. You can also mix some cannabis to cook what we call a "space cake"...nothing new there, Baudelaire used hashish as marmalade on a slice of bread. The "problem" is the effect is slower to come, but last much more and need bigger quantities of product.
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KaЯl wrote: Problem of alcoholism? Or just a will to change of life style? Nah, it's just a thing I do every second year. This is the year of good health and proper training. As soon as I reach a "peak", I'll be on my way downwards again. :) -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Yeah, but how long did you smoke From about 1966 till around 1975 Jeremy Falcon wrote: I have not yet found someone I would consider intelligent that has smoked weed their whole life. Then you have a small circle of friends. I know of a Prof. at SMU who is in his early 70's that has smoked dope since the late 50's. He seems to be quite stable thank you. Again I am reminded of the old joke "We are all preachers - just some of us are fer it and some agin it". Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
(note, not an egotistical or elitist rant, just proving a point) Just to add on to that thought, I was a pretty nasty toker myself throughout the beginning of my twenties (gave it up since then), and I'm considered one of the most intelligent people most people I know have ever met. I was asked to join mensa (but didn't want to pay a fee), score in the 150's on IQ tests generally, etc. Like I said, not trying to brag, just reinforcing your point. It didn't do a damned thing to my brain, and I smoked regularly for about 4-5 years or so.
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So you are saying that you would have no problem with your daughter getting high on marijuana every night, slowly frying her brains to the point she can't function. Heck, why stop at pot, kids are doing crystal meth, so we might as well legalize that too. That way the goverment can make money off it, can set quality standards so that the meth is pure, not laced with crap. It only kills those dumb enough to over do it, but that is their problem, right? The same can be said for any drug. Legalize them all! It's the law that's the problem, not the drugs. We as a civil society have a responsibility to look after the weak among us. And it is better to stop them from hurting themselves in the first place, rather then picking them up after they have hit rock bottom. We will never have 100% success, but we still have to try. Laws are not there to stop people from having fun, they are there to stop people from hurting themselves and others. I would have thought that you, as a Christian, would realize that. Seems that common sense is not so common after all:sigh:
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PJ Arends wrote: they are there to stop people from hurting themselves and others Not everyone thinks this way. I for one, believe laws should primarily be there to protect others from my actions, but allow me to screw up my own mind and body, thank you very much. It's the very essence of freedom to retain control over my own person. The government protecting me from myself is an extremely frightening thought to me. What makes those relatively few individuals in power more qualified than I am to dictate how I shuld live? BW The Biggest Loser
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of course not. but, as with alcohol, not everybody abuses pot. and those people who don't shouldn't (logically, IMO) be forced to forgo it just to protect those who would abuse it. and those who do abuse it (pot, alcohol, sex, gambling, chocolate, etc) need to either get treatment themselves, or be dragged kicking and screaming by their friends and family into a place where they can get help. Software | Cleek
But, ** GASP ** that would mean we'd have to be involved in the lives our friends and families rather than letting the government do it. :sigh: Man, I hate getting involved with people in times of trouble... :rolleyes: BW The Biggest Loser
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But, ** GASP ** that would mean we'd have to be involved in the lives our friends and families rather than letting the government do it. :sigh: Man, I hate getting involved with people in times of trouble... :rolleyes: BW The Biggest Loser
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joshfl wrote: Its the exact same thing as racism Ok, my opinion of you just went down to zero. If you can not discuss a point without calling those who disagree with you a racist then I am going to just shake my head and walk away from this discussion. I am very disappointed that you had to stoop so low. I disagree with peoples actions, not who they are. 1
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PJ Arends wrote: joshfl wrote: Its the exact same thing as racism PJ Arends wrote: Ok, my opinion of you just went down to zero. ooh PJ Arends wrote: If you can not discuss a point without calling those who disagree with you a racist then I did not call you a racist. There is not even any 'races' involved here. Read a again. I said your perspective is the same thing as racism. Ok, for the sake of this argument since you are being picky, I'll give you the fact I used the wrong word. It's not racism, it's discrimination. Your perspective is discriminative against all pot smokers, because of your judging and labeling the group as a whole by a stereotypical minority element within the group. PJ Arends wrote: I am very disappointed that you had to stoop so low. I am disappointed that you had to try such an obvious cop out, instead of addressing the issues I raised and further supporting or conceding your position. Legalize Marijuana
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both. There are strong(er) strains (generally referred to as, "chronic")that are available from Canadian sources. This poses a danger to preteens and young teens that are still developing the ability to think and reason. I'm not a Dr. so this is more along the lines of hearsay, passed on to me from my brother who teaches in grades 7 thru 9. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
Same hearsay here - but when I see yung people that smoke frequently - they look less like "Hair" and more like "Night oif the living dead".
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