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You seem to be awfully easy to wind up. And you must care - you kept on coming. Perhaps I could sell you some swamp land in Florida. And I will catch you. As often as I feel the need to have someone as easy as you to play with. Oh, BTW, Losinger... Doesn't sound much like an American name. You wouldn't be a fifth columnsit by any chance, would you, yankee boy?
TONYBLAIR wrote: Doesn't sound much like an American name oh no, the diabolical Mr "Blair" has discovered my terrible secret. i admit it, i'm really a 7th generation Alsatian spy! and it's time the world learned that my ancestors were sent here in the mid 1800's to learn all about how the clever Americans managed to live in the backwoods of north-central Pennsylvania, and to report our findings back to Germany, or France or whoever owned Strasbourg at the time. our plan has been revealed! now our comrades in the Alsace will never learn the secrets of trout fishing and dairy farming ! blast you "Tony Blair". though we'll remain sworn enemies, i can now see that it was your brilliant but sinister intellect which earned you the title of Prime Minister. Software | Cleek
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A wise man once said "The level of civilization attained by a nation can be judged by the treatment of its prisoners". Using this as an axiom, I would say the U.S. is now a barbarian nation.
Jeff Bogan wrote: , I would say the U.S. is now a barbarian nation What do you mean by 'now'? We always have been, and proud of it. So it would probably be a good idea not to fuck with us. We will be content to ignore you otherwise. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Chris Losinger wrote: no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". Well I wouldn't say that. English have always had trouble spelling certain words but in Texas we use the words "trot" and "yankee" quite a bit. For example you often hear "Trot over to the store and get a rope so we can hang a yankee". Sometimes we say 'mosey" in place of "trot" and sometimes we simply just say "run". Sometimes we mix them up like "Mosey over to the caddy and run to the store for some beer and then trot on down to the BBQ place on your way back - and be careful cause there are some damn yankees out there with drivers licenses that are plumb dangerous". Richard PS: If you live north of Oklahoma City then you ARE a yankee. :) "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: PS: If you live north of Oklahoma City then you ARE a yankee. So the northern Texas Panhandle is full of Yankees?!!! I dare you to go tell them that... ;P "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Anonymous wrote: You are making the assumption that they have told the truth about the time spent at the camp yes, i am. Anonymous wrote: the US is entitled to use whatever means necessary to elicit intelligence from these people to try and ensure the future safety of the American people no, the US isn't. there are laws and treaties which govern the treatment of prisoners. in none of those laws and treaties are we allowed to use "whatever means necessary". Anonymous wrote: Do these murdering terrorists and fanatics really feel that it is okay for them to take innocent lives in cruel, cowardly and degrading ways then, if caught, get a slap on the wrist, a cup of tea and a heated cell with cable? ah, so you've tried and convicted them already, even though the US army has determined these guys were innocent. what was it that convinced you that couldn't convince the Army ? -c Software | Cleek
Than you must be trully appalled that a confessed war criminal is now running for president as a Democrat. :laugh: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Than you must be trully appalled that a confessed war criminal is now running for president as a Democrat. :laugh: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Richard Stringer wrote: PS: If you live north of Oklahoma City then you ARE a yankee. So the northern Texas Panhandle is full of Yankees?!!! I dare you to go tell them that... ;P "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: So the northern Texas Panhandle is full of Yankees?!!! I dare you to go tell them that... Well actually anyone who was born in the Great State of Texas is exempt - although I have noticed a great many furriners up in the panhandle lately and I am somewhat cautious about eating the food and drinking the water up there -one never knows if the cook is from New Mexico or Colorado or (shudder) Illinois. Best stick to beer and BBQ when in doubt. :) Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Sadly, by the time Turkey joins the EU almost one third of the population of Europe will be moslem. For the most part these ar epeaceful people who threaten no one. However, there are a small minority who can cause havoc and chaos well beyond the perceived size of the threat. That is what terrorism is. You know, like starpping a bomb to a young man who then walks into a restaurant and destroys not just the lives of thiose he kills but their families and friends as well. And culture can be destroyed by other means - not just by invasion. Take the UK (please): there is a general feeling that we are being overwhelmed by immigrants (of all races and creeds) that have, within a few short years, chnaged the UK. The US is much larger and has always been able to take large numbers of immigrants with a smaller impact on the general population. The UK is not a police state; far from it and much to the chagrin of many that have lived here all of their lives and have seen it go from a peaceful tranquil nation into a violent, crime ridden society that is not policed at all. As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... Oh and we're both dullards for using absurd quotes to back up our arguments. t the end of the day I believe wehat I believe and you the same so only time will tell who's correct. And let me say I hope it is you but I fear it is me. Tony Blair
TONYBLAIR wrote: As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... See ya Have fun with Stan. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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TONYBLAIR wrote: As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. aww go on. You can send him to live with stan and they sit around in some cabin halfway up a mountain making up paranoid plots. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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Jeff Bogan wrote: As an aside let me introduce you to a little concept called "Ad Hominem". It means when a debater falls back on attacking the person rather than the issue. It also means you couldn't come up with a valid response to my argument. Couldn't the same be said of those that patronise others... And doesn't your robust attack just deflect from the weakness of your own position?
Attack this. ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Stan Shannon wrote: So the northern Texas Panhandle is full of Yankees?!!! I dare you to go tell them that... Well actually anyone who was born in the Great State of Texas is exempt - although I have noticed a great many furriners up in the panhandle lately and I am somewhat cautious about eating the food and drinking the water up there -one never knows if the cook is from New Mexico or Colorado or (shudder) Illinois. Best stick to beer and BBQ when in doubt. :) Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Chris Losinger wrote: no really. the last thing America needs is more people who would advocate throwing away our basic freedoms simply because they lack the ability to see threats in proportion. I would hate to lose our basic freedoms but, sometimes, freedom comes at a price. In this case it may be harsh but it will be worth it. And I think it is you that has it out of proportion to the point where you see no threat because to do so would be to admit the failings of 25 years of liberal nonsense and lies. Chris Losinger wrote: no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". I didn't say where I was raised did I? Thought not - you seem to make an awful lot of assumptions. Where do you live in the US? I must come and live there as well and become an activist with the Republican Party and get Micheal Moore sent to Alaska. Oh and I'm trying to larn how to spell rite so that I can be a good little citizen when I get there. How do you spell 'redneck'? It's been fun but I gotta go - my mom just caught me writing this drivel and she needs to msn her friends - cath you tomorrow, dude...
xxxTONYBLAIR wrote: And I think it is you that has it out of proportion to the point where you see no threat because to do so would be to admit the failings of 25 years of liberal nonsense and lies. So the last 25 years of failed liberalism is responsible for the existence of the threat of terrorism? Or did I completely miss your point?
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
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xxxTONYBLAIR wrote: And I think it is you that has it out of proportion to the point where you see no threat because to do so would be to admit the failings of 25 years of liberal nonsense and lies. So the last 25 years of failed liberalism is responsible for the existence of the threat of terrorism? Or did I completely miss your point?
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
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Given that under British, and i believe American, law someone is innocent until proven guilty and that domestic prisoners are granted basic human rights including food and clothing no matter their crime, if what is stated is true then this was revenge, torture and intimidation on the part of the forces undertaking the prisoner care, not an act of acheiving justice for those killed or bereaved on September 11th. If it's true those people were treated in the manner described, then those who ordered and carried out this treatment should be tried under applicable laws. Just because terrorists choose to breach laws, morals and ethics in enacting their wanton murder doesn't excuse anyone else of behaving in the same, or a similar, manner. :sigh: Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
I believe he was sarcastic. :) -- Denn du bist, was du isst! Und ihr wisst, was es ist! Es ist mein Teil...?
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Ok, thanks :cool: I had not heard from you in so long I thougth you had written me off. :)
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
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palbano wrote to Chris Losinger: I had not heard from you in so long I thougth you had written me off. Ummm... errrr.... you boys having a *cough* "relationship"?? ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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palbano wrote to Chris Losinger: I had not heard from you in so long I thougth you had written me off. Ummm... errrr.... you boys having a *cough* "relationship"?? ;P "The gay marriage thing scared me, but that's only because I thought at first it was mandatory." Jon Stewart
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Jeff Bogan wrote: , I would say the U.S. is now a barbarian nation What do you mean by 'now'? We always have been, and proud of it. So it would probably be a good idea not to fuck with us. We will be content to ignore you otherwise. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Just don't slip on any Banana peels, you ape.
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Jeff Bogan wrote: , I would say the U.S. is now a barbarian nation What do you mean by 'now'? We always have been, and proud of it. So it would probably be a good idea not to fuck with us. We will be content to ignore you otherwise. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Just don't slip on any Banana peels, ya ape. :-D
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Chris Losinger wrote: yes, i am. Just how naive are you? Chris Losinger wrote: no, the US isn't. there are laws and treaties which govern the treatment of prisoners. in none of those laws and treaties are we allowed to use "whatever means necessary". If someone comes into my house with the avowed intention of harming me or my family then I will not hesitate to use whatever means necessary to ensure the safety of my family up to and including killing him. I will worry about the consequnces of these actions later once my family is safe. The US givt MUST do the same to protect its citizens. These are not 'nice' people who will give up thier intentions because some liberal wants to treat them with respect. They will kill as many of us as they can to achieve their ends. Chris Losinger wrote: ah, so you've tried and convicted them already, even though the US army has determined these guys were innocent. what was it that convinced you that couldn't convince the Army ? Why take the risk? Let them go and they'll come back to haunt you. This, of itself, may be barbaric but when it comes down to you or me it'll be me, everytime. So should it be for a govt protecting its own people.
Anonymous wrote: f someone comes into my house with the avowed intention of harming me or my family then I will not hesitate to use whatever means necessary to ensure the safety of my family up to and including killing him WTF has that sentence to do with the prisoners?, they didn't come into your house, they didn't even enter US soil, they were forced away from another country while in combat with US troops that were entering their houses, harming their families. Anonymous wrote: They will kill as many of us as they can to achieve their ends. This could have been said by the prisoners in Guantanamo. Look at the Israel/Palestine conflict to see the outcome of an-eye-for-an-eye and non-tolerance politics. Anonymous wrote: Why take the risk? Let them go and they'll come back to haunt you. This, of itself, may be barbaric but when it comes down to you or me it'll be me, everytime. So should it be for a govt protecting its own people. I really hope you keep on taking your medication, because that sentence scares the shit out of me. Promise me that you seek professional help before taking out an entire school or a supermarket please. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Maximilien wrote: that's not the point, Anonymous coward, the point is that if the USA wants to be the moral/justice/cultural/political/justice leader of the planet, they HAVE to show that they are better than the rest of us, and with those exceptions, I really HOPE that they are exceptions ( however horrible it is ), it makes it hard for other to use them as role model. Don't be childish - it is irrelevant who I am just as I can't be bothered to register your name since it has no significance for me. Who said that they wanted to be a role model? If we're not careful they'll begin to exhibit the same isolationism that they did prior to WWII. You cannot expect them to be the world's policemen and then moan every time something nasty happens. Maximilien wrote: You treat prisoner well and fair, in the context of them being in prison, they might eventually change their belief that terrorism and war and suffering is not a good thing after all, and that by living peacefully, in Afganistan, and prospering in their own way, both politically, religiously and socially will make them better persons, and in that case, for some, better muslims. In any case just becuase you treat a prioner fairly doesn't mean that they will chnage their ways and repecxt you; far more likely the opposite is true - they will see you as weak and simpering: an easy future target. You all need to grow up. If you had families, young children you would feel differently. And if you don't then god help your families because you clearly don't have the strength or reolve to survive in an increasingly hostile world.
Anonymous wrote: Who said that they wanted to be a role model? They do, all the time. Anonymous wrote: You cannot expect them to be the world's policemen and then moan every time something nasty happens. I don't, and besides, if they are the worlds policemen, then they are the kind of policemen who beats the shit out of the petty black car thief in LA. Anonymous wrote: In any case just becuase you treat a prioner fairly doesn't mean that they will chnage their ways and repecxt you; The point isn't to change the ways of the prisoners, which probably didn't even have any criminal 'ways'. The idea is to show the bad guys the difference between Good and Bad. If the Good guys are just Bad guys calling themselves Good, whats the bloody deal then? Anonymous wrote: You all need to grow up. If you had families, young children you would feel differently. And if you don't then god help your families because you clearly don't have the strength or reolve to survive in an increasingly hostile world. I got a family and I got young children, but I live in a world where terrorist attacks are crimes performed by lunatics with your perspective of an 'increasingly hostile world', not guys randomly picked from a foreign country. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus