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Chris Losinger

hmm. interesting. i didn't notice before, but that link i posted was for blackboxvoting.org. the site that usually watches this stuff is blackboxvoting.com. i wonder if that link was a hoax. i'm trying to track down where i got that link from to see if anyone else knows anything about it. http://www.blackboxvoting.com/index.php[^] edit: hmmm. blackboxvoting.org is registered to one of the people from Blackboxvoting.com... maybe she forgot to pay the ISP bill, or went over the bandwidth limit ? :) Software | Cleek

wrykyn

Daniel3000i wrote: If a country like India can do it, why can't we? Hey, what's with that ?! :~ We're no longer in the Stone Age. We have computers too. "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."

JoeSox

Maximilien wrote: 2 digits code ... whhhoooaaa that's a secure system They wanted a code to represent humanity. 2 eyes 2 ears 2 hands 2 political parties Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest

Richard Stringer

Chris Losinger wrote: you can't trust the machines. you can't trust the people who run the machines. Nor can you "trust" anything in your chicken little version of the world. I would suggest that you peruse the vote fraud habits of those great Democrats of the past: Mayor Richard J. Daley and Lyndon Johnson - whoee. Those boys had some kind of loyality - the dead were voting in record numbers. And as old Lyndon was fond of saying "Vote early and vote often". He won some counties by MORE than 100% of the voters. As fuel to the simmering pool of Democratic chest beating give this a read: http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110004320[^]. Enough of this drivel for today. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

Im SO there

Wow, another "but he did it too!!" GOPer! What a big f'in surprise. This LBJ thing seems to be one of your favorite talking points. How about instead of your usual Him Too crap, why don't you try addressing the point instead of changing the subject? I'd say it's because you have no counterpoints to make. So how about you give us all a break. If all you want to do is change the subject, start a new thread whining about LBJ, and show us your chicken little view of the world ya freakin' idiot. I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2

Rob Graham

Richard Stringer wrote: Enough of this drivel for today. As someone who is generally on the opposite side of the political spectrum from Chris, I too worry about the possibility of undiscoverable fraud (that drivel you spoke of). The past incidents you cite have equal parallels on the right (I am sad to say), but at least they were discoverable fraud (one wonders why such fraudulent elections were never successfully challenged and overturned, though). Undiscoverable fraud through the manipulation of crap software with no means of verification is a whole different story IMO. And if I were planning to steal an election through such means, I would be visibly supportive of the party I planned to defraud, just to deflect suspicion. Politics aside, the last thing I want this year is a fraudulent election, or even the appearance of one. This whole Dibold business smacks of gross incompetence at the very least. What idiot would base a secure election system on WinCE and Microsoft Access for crying out loud. And I have to vote on the bloody things; my state went 100% Dibold since 2000. And the Scy of State can't seem to find the certification documents... Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely. - Vint Cerf

Rob Graham

Thak you for your contribution to a rational discussion of the issues. You make Richard look good.. Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely. - Vint Cerf

Im SO there

So, let me get this straight. 1. Richard doesn't address anything in Chris's post. 2. Richard personally insults Chris. 3. Richard goes off on a nice "Him too!" rant about LBJ. Where's the nice rational discussion? All I see is Richard foaming at the mouth about LBJ? Care to argue what in my post makes Richard look good? The part where I called him a "freakin' idiot"? I didn't see you respond to Richard saying that his post with the nice personal insult made Chris look good (though I admit, your post was pretty good other than that). I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2

Richard Stringer

All I was trying to say - you poor degenerate son of an unwed mother and an unknown father - is that there has always been vote fraud - on a local and a national level - and there is little done about it. Now go back and sit on you hassock and start work on them there curds and whey because childern should be seen and not heard - and in your case I am not at all certain about you being seen. You may upset the dog. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

Rob Graham

You supplied little besides more invective, but based on Richard's reply, perhaps I spoke too soon.:rose: Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely. - Vint Cerf

Richard Stringer

I`m SO there wrote: 1. Richard doesn't address anything in Chris's post. The post was about vote fraud - right !!!!! I`m SO there wrote: 2. Richard personally insults Chris How ? I`m SO there wrote: 3. Richard goes off on a nice "Him too!" rant about LBJ. You forgot about Daley. I`m SO there wrote: Care to argue what in my post makes Richard look good? Looks are often overrated. My mom and dad made me look good. You are simply a counterpoint to the melody. I`m SO there wrote: I didn't see you respond to Richard saying that his post with the nice personal insult made Chris look good Look mommy he did it first :( :( I am very good at personal insults - like attack ads - they work. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

Im SO there

Richard Stringer wrote: you poor degenerate son of an unwed mother and an unknown father :laugh: Richard Stringer wrote: is that there has always been vote fraud - on a local and a national level - and there is little done about it. Not when it suits you I suppose. But could you picture if Diebold was supporting the Dems? You'd be in fits!! Anyways, thanks for staying on-topic this time :) Richard Stringer wrote: Now go back and sit on you hassock and start work on them there curds and whey because childern should be seen and not heard - and in your case I am not at all certain about you being seen. You may upset the dog. Wow, "abstract" really takes a whole new meaning here. Shure did wish I know'd what all them thar words meaned. :confused::confused: I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2

Richard Stringer

Rob Graham wrote: You supplied little besides more invective, but based on Richard's reply, perhaps I spoke too soon. I was simply using the english language in a way which someone who's apparent lack of perception in debate would have to process on a cognitive level for some time to decide if he had been insulted or not. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

Richard Stringer

I`m SO there wrote: Not when it suits you I suppose. But could you picture if Diebold was supporting the Dems? You'd be in fits!! Anyways, thanks for staying on-topic this time So the Republicans all have this mythical 2 digit code and we are hiding it from them dirty Dems in great anticipation of sweeping GWB back into office and kicking ALL them Dems out of the Senate and the Congress - Oh happy day. AH the plot thickens. What you want to bet that there is more to the tale then has been told. I`m SO there wrote: Wow, "abstract" really takes a whole new meaning here. Shure did wish I know'd what all them thar words meaned. Thats why I used them. Google for "Little Jack Horner" :) :) Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

Im SO there

Richard Stringer wrote: The post was about vote fraud - right !!!!! Yep, but you didn't make one comment about Diebold or anything in Chris's post. All you did was rant and rave about LBJ, Daley, and chicken little. Richard Stringer wrote: Looks are often overrated. My mom and dad made me look good. You are simply a counterpoint to the melody. Whee! I didn't say anything about your looks, but judging by your age, I'd say things are quite old and wrinkley by now. :laugh: Richard Stringer wrote: Look mommy he did it first I am very good at personal insults - like attack ads - they work. I don't really give a shit if you attack Chris. My point was that Rob shouldn't bother getting on my case for attacking you. Besides, you're the one who started this "Look mommy he did it first" crap (with LBJ), not me. About the insults, I seriously think you could use some work. They are actually quite funny, but not very insulting. I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2

Im SO there

Richard Stringer wrote: So the Republicans all have this mythical 2 digit code and we are hiding it from them dirty Dems in great anticipation of sweeping GWB back into office and kicking ALL them Dems out of the Senate and the Congress - Oh happy day. AH the plot thickens. Damn, and I just threw away my tinfoil hat! I gotta run to Vons to get a few more rolls now :( Richard Stringer wrote: Thats why I used them. Google for "Little Jack Horner" Right. I understood the references to the nursery rhymes, I just have no idea how they relate to my post. I still haven't found what I'm lookin' for - U2

Richard Stringer

No one wants a clean election more than I do. But in a world where we bank , buy and sell stocks , pay bills, renew drivers licenses, apply for social security, get loans - all online it seems that there is a simple way to vote online. The IRS cross checks the tax ID's of a married couple against the Social Security database to make sure that persons filing as married really are married. Why not just use the SSN of each voter ( it ain't a secret these days - its used everywhere - a defacto universial ID number ) against the SS database in real time to verify the voters eligibility and viability. I mean this should not be rocket science - right. Log in and vote from home. Why make a pilgrimage to the local school and/or fire station. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)

DRHuff

Why does the US just not use paper ballots. X marks the spot. Recounts are easy, there is a valid paper trail and there are almost no bugs in the software! Dave

Rob Graham

I wish it were as simple as you suggest, but considering the prevalence of identity theft on the internet, and the vast number of scams out there, it is just not secure enough. And you could reuse the SSN across state boundaries, the states never cross check, most don't have SSN as part of the voter role info either. Unfortunately, these Deibold machines make that trek to the local firehouse no more secure a bet. And to hire a convicted emezzler with over 500,000 in restitution debts as the lead programmer... what was Deibold's HR dept. thinking? I would worry that this guy added the double books and magic code just to be able to sell his secrets to the highest bidder, and perhaps he already has. As a voter, I deserve better. My State deserves better, and my Country deserves better. These idiot deserve to be put out of business. An Access database with no passwords...mother of god, such incompetence! Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely. - Vint Cerf

ColinDavies

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