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  • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

    I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. So, do anyone of you have a good suggestion for milk substitutes? Juice is good, but it's kind of expensive compared to milk, and sodas are out of the question. Water's nice, but it's a bit boring to drink every day with every meal. -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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    Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. Hmmm. I haven't come across that. Both men and women suffer from calcium loss as they get older, though women more. So, the calcium either comes out of your bones or you can get your calcium from other sources. Although I recall reading recently, but can't remember where, that calcium supplements are not all that effective. Go figure. The problem with stopping drinking milk is that you might end up becoming lactose intolerant. This is no fun, as you can no longer even have ice cream, as is my case. So, I'm essentially forced to have milk substitutes. I find that rice milk is OK, but a bit watery. Almond milk is yummy, but lots of carbs. Soy milk I don't like too much, and too much soy gives me problems (it's a bean, after all). My suggestion? Don't stop drinking milk. Drink lowfat organic milk. Although, I would actually recommend a milk substitute rather than non-organic milk, at least here in the US, given the antibiotics and hormones that are fed to the milking cows. Of course, soybeans here in the US are subjected to pesticide/herbicides too, so it's only organic soy milk for our family. Oops, there I go again ranting about organic! Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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      Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. Hmmm. I haven't come across that. Both men and women suffer from calcium loss as they get older, though women more. So, the calcium either comes out of your bones or you can get your calcium from other sources. Although I recall reading recently, but can't remember where, that calcium supplements are not all that effective. Go figure. The problem with stopping drinking milk is that you might end up becoming lactose intolerant. This is no fun, as you can no longer even have ice cream, as is my case. So, I'm essentially forced to have milk substitutes. I find that rice milk is OK, but a bit watery. Almond milk is yummy, but lots of carbs. Soy milk I don't like too much, and too much soy gives me problems (it's a bean, after all). My suggestion? Don't stop drinking milk. Drink lowfat organic milk. Although, I would actually recommend a milk substitute rather than non-organic milk, at least here in the US, given the antibiotics and hormones that are fed to the milking cows. Of course, soybeans here in the US are subjected to pesticide/herbicides too, so it's only organic soy milk for our family. Oops, there I go again ranting about organic! Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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      Colin Angus Mackay
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      I would have to agree with you on the organic front. If I could afford it I'd buy more organic produce - but it is more expensive.


      "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell Not getting the response you want from a question asked in an online forum: How to Ask Questions the Smart Way!

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        Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. Hmmm. I haven't come across that. Both men and women suffer from calcium loss as they get older, though women more. So, the calcium either comes out of your bones or you can get your calcium from other sources. Although I recall reading recently, but can't remember where, that calcium supplements are not all that effective. Go figure. The problem with stopping drinking milk is that you might end up becoming lactose intolerant. This is no fun, as you can no longer even have ice cream, as is my case. So, I'm essentially forced to have milk substitutes. I find that rice milk is OK, but a bit watery. Almond milk is yummy, but lots of carbs. Soy milk I don't like too much, and too much soy gives me problems (it's a bean, after all). My suggestion? Don't stop drinking milk. Drink lowfat organic milk. Although, I would actually recommend a milk substitute rather than non-organic milk, at least here in the US, given the antibiotics and hormones that are fed to the milking cows. Of course, soybeans here in the US are subjected to pesticide/herbicides too, so it's only organic soy milk for our family. Oops, there I go again ranting about organic! Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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        Navin
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        I agree with you on the organic part, now that "organic" actually means something. "All-natural", on the other hand, means nothing. An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.

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        • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

          I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. So, do anyone of you have a good suggestion for milk substitutes? Juice is good, but it's kind of expensive compared to milk, and sodas are out of the question. Water's nice, but it's a bit boring to drink every day with every meal. -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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          Navin
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          I agree with the other posters - whoever told you that extra calcium is bad is misinformed or lying. Too little calcium can contribute to osteoporosis and weakening of the bones. That said, if you don't want to drink milk, there are other calcium-rich foods and beverages. Soy milk is often fortified with calcium - but you have to look specifically for it. Dark green veggies also are high in calcium... never tried making a broccoli smoothie, though, so they might be hard to drink. :-O An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.

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          • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

            I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. So, do anyone of you have a good suggestion for milk substitutes? Juice is good, but it's kind of expensive compared to milk, and sodas are out of the question. Water's nice, but it's a bit boring to drink every day with every meal. -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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            Jon Hulatt
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            Drink beer. :-)

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              Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. Hmmm. I haven't come across that. Both men and women suffer from calcium loss as they get older, though women more. So, the calcium either comes out of your bones or you can get your calcium from other sources. Although I recall reading recently, but can't remember where, that calcium supplements are not all that effective. Go figure. The problem with stopping drinking milk is that you might end up becoming lactose intolerant. This is no fun, as you can no longer even have ice cream, as is my case. So, I'm essentially forced to have milk substitutes. I find that rice milk is OK, but a bit watery. Almond milk is yummy, but lots of carbs. Soy milk I don't like too much, and too much soy gives me problems (it's a bean, after all). My suggestion? Don't stop drinking milk. Drink lowfat organic milk. Although, I would actually recommend a milk substitute rather than non-organic milk, at least here in the US, given the antibiotics and hormones that are fed to the milking cows. Of course, soybeans here in the US are subjected to pesticide/herbicides too, so it's only organic soy milk for our family. Oops, there I go again ranting about organic! Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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              Jorgen Sigvardsson
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              Marc Clifton wrote: Hmmm. I haven't come across that. Both men and women suffer from calcium loss as they get older, though women more. So, the calcium either comes out of your bones or you can get your calcium from other sources. Although I recall reading recently, but can't remember where, that calcium supplements are not all that effective. Go figure. I think I'll reevaluate my position on calcium. I thought it sounded a bit weird at first, but hey, IANAD. It came back to me when I was pouring up a glass of milk. I wish I could remember where I read it. -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                Drink beer. :-)

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                Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                The problem with beer is that it contains alcohol, which is a substance I'm trying to avoid right now. :) -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                  I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. So, do anyone of you have a good suggestion for milk substitutes? Juice is good, but it's kind of expensive compared to milk, and sodas are out of the question. Water's nice, but it's a bit boring to drink every day with every meal. -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                  You drink milk with every meal ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder

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                  • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                    The problem with beer is that it contains alcohol, which is a substance I'm trying to avoid right now. :) -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                    Jon Hulatt
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                    Crazy, crazy man. :-D

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                    • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                      I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. So, do anyone of you have a good suggestion for milk substitutes? Juice is good, but it's kind of expensive compared to milk, and sodas are out of the question. Water's nice, but it's a bit boring to drink every day with every meal. -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                      • C Christian Graus

                        You drink milk with every meal ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder

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                        Steve McLenithan
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                        So does your houshold go though 4 to 6 gallons a week like my family? ;)

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                          I would have to agree with you on the organic front. If I could afford it I'd buy more organic produce - but it is more expensive.


                          "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell Not getting the response you want from a question asked in an online forum: How to Ask Questions the Smart Way!

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                          Colin Angus Mackay wrote: If I could afford it I'd buy more organic produce - but it is more expensive. My son (13) volunteers two hours a week at the local food co-op and we get a 15% discount. :-D He learns how a co-op works (and a grocery store in general), does something nice for the community, and I actually "bank" the discount for him for things he might want to get later. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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                            Colin Angus Mackay wrote: If I could afford it I'd buy more organic produce - but it is more expensive. My son (13) volunteers two hours a week at the local food co-op and we get a 15% discount. :-D He learns how a co-op works (and a grocery store in general), does something nice for the community, and I actually "bank" the discount for him for things he might want to get later. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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                            Marc Clifton wrote: He learns how a co-op works (and a grocery store in general) That is excellent. Marc Clifton wrote: I actually "bank" the discount for him for things he might want to get later An even better incentive. Learning how businesses work and teaching a kid how to become financially self sufficient is one of the most important life-lessons, IMO. I wrote about it in a two part blog entry a while back: You are the Master...[^] ... And Money is the Slave[^]


                            "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell Not getting the response you want from a question asked in an online forum: How to Ask Questions the Smart Way!

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                              Marc Clifton wrote: He learns how a co-op works (and a grocery store in general) That is excellent. Marc Clifton wrote: I actually "bank" the discount for him for things he might want to get later An even better incentive. Learning how businesses work and teaching a kid how to become financially self sufficient is one of the most important life-lessons, IMO. I wrote about it in a two part blog entry a while back: You are the Master...[^] ... And Money is the Slave[^]


                              "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell Not getting the response you want from a question asked in an online forum: How to Ask Questions the Smart Way!

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                              Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Learning how businesses work and teaching a kid how to become financially self sufficient is one of the most important life-lessons, IMO. Agreed. He discovered a very interesting thing when I told him I was putting the 15% discount in the bank for him. He said: "huh, so that means, the more you spend, the more I make!" Some fundamental truth seems to be lurking in there. :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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                                Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Learning how businesses work and teaching a kid how to become financially self sufficient is one of the most important life-lessons, IMO. Agreed. He discovered a very interesting thing when I told him I was putting the 15% discount in the bank for him. He said: "huh, so that means, the more you spend, the more I make!" Some fundamental truth seems to be lurking in there. :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing

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                                Colin Angus Mackay
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                                Marc Clifton wrote: "huh, so that means, the more you spend, the more I make!" Some fundamental truth seems to be lurking in there. Sounds like he's got the hang of it quite well. :-D


                                "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell Not getting the response you want from a question asked in an online forum: How to Ask Questions the Smart Way!

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                                  You drink milk with every meal ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder

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                                  Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                  To every supper and breakfast. At lunch I drink water. I drink a little more than a gallon per week (4 liters.. are you aussies metricified yet? ;)) Cold milk is sooo refreshing! Low fat of course. :) -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                                    Crazy, crazy man. :-D

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                                    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                    I know, my other personality keeps telling me that. :-D -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                                      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                      The dairy and meat industry are quite regulated here in Sweden, so I hope I'm on the safe side. It's funny you mention how farmers put all kinds of weird stuff into the cow food. It sort of proves the point of Joseph Schumpeter[^]. Capitalism requires growth in production. Growth requires any means neccesary (or so it seems). The customer who drives the demand gets hurt in the process. -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                                        The problem with beer is that it contains alcohol, which is a substance I'm trying to avoid right now. :) -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                                        Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The problem with beer is that it contains alcohol, which is a substance I'm trying to avoid right now. It's nice to hear somebody speaking a bit of sense :-D. Alcohol is evil

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                                          I've read that as you get older, milk is bad for you, as the calcium will just clog everything up. So, do anyone of you have a good suggestion for milk substitutes? Juice is good, but it's kind of expensive compared to milk, and sodas are out of the question. Water's nice, but it's a bit boring to drink every day with every meal. -- Arigato gozaimashita!

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                                          Are you delusional? Milk is a great source of calcium, vitamin D, and protein. I think you have been reading too many websites by paranoid schizophrenics.

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