Win98
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How many people here are still running Windows 98 as their primary operating system? I have a licensed copy of Win2k, and use it on several machines solely for its IOCP features...but for my primary development computer I have no real compelling reason to upgrade. In fact, I often dislike many of the subtle changes Microsoft makes to newer versions of Windows.
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How many people here are still running Windows 98 as their primary operating system? I have a licensed copy of Win2k, and use it on several machines solely for its IOCP features...but for my primary development computer I have no real compelling reason to upgrade. In fact, I often dislike many of the subtle changes Microsoft makes to newer versions of Windows.
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How many people here are still running Windows 98 as their primary operating system? I have a licensed copy of Win2k, and use it on several machines solely for its IOCP features...but for my primary development computer I have no real compelling reason to upgrade. In fact, I often dislike many of the subtle changes Microsoft makes to newer versions of Windows.
after about one month of serious coding on Win9x, the system starts behaving awkward ("showing character", my polish grandma would say). After two month it begs for reinstalling W2K is much mroe forgiving here (and before, I strongly prefered Nt4 over 9x). I still have a 9x for apps that don't run on W2K (like my shitty CD burner) Peter
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ACK!!!! Development on 98? Are you a masochist? Every time I do any serious programming on 9x, I have to reboot constantly. With NT/W2K/XP, I have to reboot maybe twice a year due to a program bug. :) Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
Well, I will admit I have to reboot more than I would like. But, this boils down to a theory of mine. See, 99% of the time if I have to reboot its cause I wrote some bad code. Now, I obviously dislike rebooting so it works as a big incentive to write better code. Plus, since most of my users run either Win95 or 98, its important to be sure it doesn't crash on these systems.
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Well, I will admit I have to reboot more than I would like. But, this boils down to a theory of mine. See, 99% of the time if I have to reboot its cause I wrote some bad code. Now, I obviously dislike rebooting so it works as a big incentive to write better code. Plus, since most of my users run either Win95 or 98, its important to be sure it doesn't crash on these systems.
Adam Arthur wrote: since most of my users run either Win95 or 98, its important to be sure it doesn't crash on these systems. Actually I think a lot of developers forget that fact ! Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I live in Bob's HungOut now
Colin is a big fan of William Goldberg and Frank Tipler and of course Billy Connerly
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Well, I will admit I have to reboot more than I would like. But, this boils down to a theory of mine. See, 99% of the time if I have to reboot its cause I wrote some bad code. Now, I obviously dislike rebooting so it works as a big incentive to write better code. Plus, since most of my users run either Win95 or 98, its important to be sure it doesn't crash on these systems.
But, this boils down to a theory of mine. See, 99% of the time if I have to reboot its cause I wrote some bad code. Of course this is true. But there is no need to flog yourself just because you have a bug. Fix it and move on. Rebooting the OS just slows you down and costs you money. Plus, since most of my users run either Win95 or 98, its important to be sure it doesn't crash on these systems. There is some merit to this. However, if you are concerned about making sure the program works on 95 and 98, then you really need to be able to test the program on those operating systems. But, if you are stuck with only having access to one OS, then you are right that it is probably best to stick with the one your users are using. But it is still true that as far as development goes, 95/98/ME is far inferior to NT. In fact, soon you won't even be able to develop on 95/98/ME. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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ACK!!!! Development on 98? Are you a masochist? Every time I do any serious programming on 9x, I have to reboot constantly. With NT/W2K/XP, I have to reboot maybe twice a year due to a program bug. :) Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
But at least the compiler understands directoriues and crap associated with a project. Win2K almost NEVER puts me in the correct project folder. It's always a bit of a surprise to see excactly what folder it thinks I want to load files from under Win2K. I call it a bug, but other less honest folk say it's "as designed" and the go back to blindly follow Microsoft's lead on everything else too. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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But at least the compiler understands directoriues and crap associated with a project. Win2K almost NEVER puts me in the correct project folder. It's always a bit of a surprise to see excactly what folder it thinks I want to load files from under Win2K. I call it a bug, but other less honest folk say it's "as designed" and the go back to blindly follow Microsoft's lead on everything else too. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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How many people here are still running Windows 98 as their primary operating system? I have a licensed copy of Win2k, and use it on several machines solely for its IOCP features...but for my primary development computer I have no real compelling reason to upgrade. In fact, I often dislike many of the subtle changes Microsoft makes to newer versions of Windows.
You should at least upgrade to WinME, which fixes numerous bugs in 98. Better yet, do what I did: dual boot WinME/2000. That way you can develop on 2000 (which is vastly superior to 9x/ME) and have a 9x/ME test bed. /ravi "There is always one more bug..." http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
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How many people here are still running Windows 98 as their primary operating system? I have a licensed copy of Win2k, and use it on several machines solely for its IOCP features...but for my primary development computer I have no real compelling reason to upgrade. In fact, I often dislike many of the subtle changes Microsoft makes to newer versions of Windows.
Reasons I won't develop under W98. 1/ It crashes far to easily. 2/ It dies a slow death and needs to be reinstalled at least every three months, optimally every month. 3/ It's ugly. 4/ It's insecure. ( What is the POINT of a password dialog that has a cnacel button ???? ) Reasons I need to run a dual boot system 1/ NT protects itself from resource leaks and so if I leak GDI resources, the code runs fine on my machine, but dies quickly under W98. ( This is *my* fault, W2000 simply stops me finding my error ) 2/ I need W98 for my video capture card. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOz
I live in Bob's HungOut now
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Reasons I won't develop under W98. 1/ It crashes far to easily. 2/ It dies a slow death and needs to be reinstalled at least every three months, optimally every month. 3/ It's ugly. 4/ It's insecure. ( What is the POINT of a password dialog that has a cnacel button ???? ) Reasons I need to run a dual boot system 1/ NT protects itself from resource leaks and so if I leak GDI resources, the code runs fine on my machine, but dies quickly under W98. ( This is *my* fault, W2000 simply stops me finding my error ) 2/ I need W98 for my video capture card. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
Sonork ID 100.10002:MeanManOz
I live in Bob's HungOut now
1/ NT protects itself from resource leaks and so if I leak GDI resources, the code runs fine on my machine, but dies quickly under W98. ( This is *my* fault, W2000 simply stops me finding my error ) Good point. Which is why I think professional developers should buy a package like Rational's Purify. It has helped me find a LOT of memory/resource leaks. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.