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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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      Sorry Dave but you're just gonna have to accept it as gospel... so to speak. ;) I've questioned the "polls" published about Americans before and have been soundly slapped back into my place (by a Brit no less). Apparently, even though they question only a couple hundred people and have absolutely no method to test validity they feel confident in extrapolating the data to cover 10's of millions (even 100's of millions) of people. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick

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        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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        It depends a lot on how such questions are phrased - how many people give the easiest answer ? The tigress is here :-D

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          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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          Isn't this the thing where a whole wodge of people here put down "Church of England", even though they'll only ever go into a church for christenings, marriages, and funerals, and probably don't even think about religion beyond "well, there might be something" after several pints. After all, the true religion of the UK is what I shall call SelfConstructionism, and Sundays are spent in the hallowed halls of B&Q and the local Garden Centre :-D


          Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

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            Sorry Dave but you're just gonna have to accept it as gospel... so to speak. ;) I've questioned the "polls" published about Americans before and have been soundly slapped back into my place (by a Brit no less). Apparently, even though they question only a couple hundred people and have absolutely no method to test validity they feel confident in extrapolating the data to cover 10's of millions (even 100's of millions) of people. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick

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            Mike Mullikin wrote: I've questioned the "polls" published about Americans before and have been soundly slapped back into my place (by a Brit no less). Hey! That's not by choice!


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              http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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              From the linketh'd article cometh the answer: Focus on Religion, published by the National Statistics Office, draws on data from the 2001 Census - the first to include a religion question.


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              Vogon Building and Loan advise that your planet is at risk if you do not keep up repayments on any mortgage secured upon it. Please remember that the force of gravity can go up as well as down.

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                http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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                ...the results mean nothing when applied to a specific sub-group... :rolleyes: :~
                You**'re one microscopic cog** in his catastrophic plan...

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                  Mike Mullikin wrote: I've questioned the "polls" published about Americans before and have been soundly slapped back into my place (by a Brit no less). Hey! That's not by choice!


                  Do you want to know more?


                  Vogon Building and Loan advise that your planet is at risk if you do not keep up repayments on any mortgage secured upon it. Please remember that the force of gravity can go up as well as down.

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                  Colin Angus Mackay wrote: That's not by choice! :confused: A. That I questioned "polls" published about Americans? B. That you soundly slapped me back into my place? C. That you're a Brit? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick

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                    Colin Angus Mackay wrote: That's not by choice! :confused: A. That I questioned "polls" published about Americans? B. That you soundly slapped me back into my place? C. That you're a Brit? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick

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                    That'll be a "C"


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                      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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                      David Wulff wrote: Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. Well, there's a gap between what you say and what the poll says. You say, "not one is religious", but my guess is that a lot of europeans might call themselves Christian, but they don't go to church and they don't put much effort into it. But, if you were to stop and ask them, "Are you a Christian or would you say that you have no religion?", quite a few might say that they are Christian, but they are very passive in their belief. And if you were to ask those Christians if they were "religious", the majority would say "no" because the word "religious" implies that they are actively religious (going to church, etc). ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]

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                        David Wulff wrote: Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. Well, there's a gap between what you say and what the poll says. You say, "not one is religious", but my guess is that a lot of europeans might call themselves Christian, but they don't go to church and they don't put much effort into it. But, if you were to stop and ask them, "Are you a Christian or would you say that you have no religion?", quite a few might say that they are Christian, but they are very passive in their belief. And if you were to ask those Christians if they were "religious", the majority would say "no" because the word "religious" implies that they are actively religious (going to church, etc). ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]

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                        Maybe I wasn't clear in my wording: these are people with no religious beliefs whatsoever. I am aware that a large number of the population identify themselves as Christian on tick-box forms due to the Church of England "club" - I've never met one though.


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                          From the linketh'd article cometh the answer: Focus on Religion, published by the National Statistics Office, draws on data from the 2001 Census - the first to include a religion question.


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                          I read that as meaning "it was conducted as a result of". I am not intimate with the term "draws on" though, so I may be interpretting it wrongly. :~


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                            I read that as meaning "it was conducted as a result of". I am not intimate with the term "draws on" though, so I may be interpretting it wrongly. :~


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                            I would have said it was "to use", e.g. Users of CodeProject draw on the expertise of each other.


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                              I would have said it was "to use", e.g. Users of CodeProject draw on the expertise of each other.


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                              Vogon Building and Loan advise that your planet is at risk if you do not keep up repayments on any mortgage secured upon it. Please remember that the force of gravity can go up as well as down.

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                              fairy muff, thanks.


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                                fairy muff, thanks.


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                                David Wulff wrote: fairy muff Now, why did the image of Kylie as Tinkerbell in Moulin Rouge pop in to my head there?


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                                  David Wulff wrote: fairy muff Now, why did the image of Kylie as Tinkerbell in Moulin Rouge pop in to my head there?


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                                  Because you've been drinking too much caffeine and really need to go to bed... now...


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                                    Isn't this the thing where a whole wodge of people here put down "Church of England", even though they'll only ever go into a church for christenings, marriages, and funerals, and probably don't even think about religion beyond "well, there might be something" after several pints. After all, the true religion of the UK is what I shall call SelfConstructionism, and Sundays are spent in the hallowed halls of B&Q and the local Garden Centre :-D


                                    Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

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                                    Colin Angus Mackay
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                                    Ian Darling wrote: only ever go into a church for christenings, marriages, and funerals AKA Hatches, Matches and Dispaches


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                                      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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                                      I think I know of 4 people I've met in my life who go to church, or profess to be religious. Not counting the wierdos who come knocking on the front door. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush

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                                        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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                                        I suspect that religion is one of those fields where peopel who have no belief system personally write down whatever it was they were raised with. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

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                                          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.


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                                          Just because someone doesn't wear their religion on their shirt sleeve doesn't mean their not religions to some extent, however. Few people who have ever known me personally would consider me religious, yet if I were asked in a survey I would probably admit to some level of religious sentiment. I would be willing to bet that most Britons would probably also admit the occassional religious pang, from time to time. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."

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