15% of Britons 'have no religion'
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I've questioned the "polls" published about Americans before and have been soundly slapped back into my place (by a Brit no less). Hey! That's not by choice!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: That's not by choice! :confused: A. That I questioned "polls" published about Americans? B. That you soundly slapped me back into my place? C. That you're a Brit? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: That's not by choice! :confused: A. That I questioned "polls" published about Americans? B. That you soundly slapped me back into my place? C. That you're a Brit? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
That'll be a "C"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
David Wulff wrote: Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. Well, there's a gap between what you say and what the poll says. You say, "not one is religious", but my guess is that a lot of europeans might call themselves Christian, but they don't go to church and they don't put much effort into it. But, if you were to stop and ask them, "Are you a Christian or would you say that you have no religion?", quite a few might say that they are Christian, but they are very passive in their belief. And if you were to ask those Christians if they were "religious", the majority would say "no" because the word "religious" implies that they are actively religious (going to church, etc). ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
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David Wulff wrote: Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. Well, there's a gap between what you say and what the poll says. You say, "not one is religious", but my guess is that a lot of europeans might call themselves Christian, but they don't go to church and they don't put much effort into it. But, if you were to stop and ask them, "Are you a Christian or would you say that you have no religion?", quite a few might say that they are Christian, but they are very passive in their belief. And if you were to ask those Christians if they were "religious", the majority would say "no" because the word "religious" implies that they are actively religious (going to church, etc). ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
Maybe I wasn't clear in my wording: these are people with no religious beliefs whatsoever. I am aware that a large number of the population identify themselves as Christian on tick-box forms due to the Church of England "club" - I've never met one though.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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From the linketh'd article cometh the answer: Focus on Religion, published by the National Statistics Office, draws on data from the 2001 Census - the first to include a religion question.
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I read that as meaning "it was conducted as a result of". I am not intimate with the term "draws on" though, so I may be interpretting it wrongly. :~
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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I read that as meaning "it was conducted as a result of". I am not intimate with the term "draws on" though, so I may be interpretting it wrongly. :~
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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I would have said it was "to use", e.g. Users of CodeProject draw on the expertise of each other.
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I would have said it was "to use", e.g. Users of CodeProject draw on the expertise of each other.
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David Wulff wrote: fairy muff Now, why did the image of Kylie as Tinkerbell in Moulin Rouge pop in to my head there?
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David Wulff wrote: fairy muff Now, why did the image of Kylie as Tinkerbell in Moulin Rouge pop in to my head there?
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Because you've been drinking too much caffeine and really need to go to bed... now...
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Isn't this the thing where a whole wodge of people here put down "Church of England", even though they'll only ever go into a church for christenings, marriages, and funerals, and probably don't even think about religion beyond "well, there might be something" after several pints. After all, the true religion of the UK is what I shall call SelfConstructionism, and Sundays are spent in the hallowed halls of B&Q and the local Garden Centre :-D
Ian Darling wrote: only ever go into a church for christenings, marriages, and funerals AKA Hatches, Matches and Dispaches
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
I think I know of 4 people I've met in my life who go to church, or profess to be religious. Not counting the wierdos who come knocking on the front door. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
I suspect that religion is one of those fields where peopel who have no belief system personally write down whatever it was they were raised with. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
Just because someone doesn't wear their religion on their shirt sleeve doesn't mean their not religions to some extent, however. Few people who have ever known me personally would consider me religious, yet if I were asked in a survey I would probably admit to some level of religious sentiment. I would be willing to bet that most Britons would probably also admit the occassional religious pang, from time to time. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
David Wulff wrote: Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. In my experience, people are reluctant to describe themselves as atheists even when they don't give religious doctrine any serious consideration in their day to day lives. John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3733410.stm[^] Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. It raises the question - just who did National Statistics poll for their data? I don't think I know anyone who has ever been asked for anything by NS.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
I think we have a conflict of two samples. Sample 1 was taken from an anonymous compulsory census while, Sample 2 is made up of the set of David Wluff's contacts. If you wanted you could do your own survey of a small sample asking the same question to see how accurate it was. This would probably mean excluding yourself and everyone you know. - Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
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Ian Darling wrote: only ever go into a church for christenings, marriages, and funerals AKA Hatches, Matches and Dispaches
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I got that off a TV program a couple of years ago. It was a hospital drama and the surgeon was attempting to persuade a Jewish woman to have a lifesaving operation that involved transplanting some part of a pig into her heart. She eventually admitted to being not all that committed and that she just went for "hatches, matches and dispatches".
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I think we have a conflict of two samples. Sample 1 was taken from an anonymous compulsory census while, Sample 2 is made up of the set of David Wluff's contacts. If you wanted you could do your own survey of a small sample asking the same question to see how accurate it was. This would probably mean excluding yourself and everyone you know. - Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
I hate to mention this but the religion question on the census was a bit of a running joke at the time. There was an 'other' option in which you could write your religion of choice, and most people I know put Jedi. Basically, in order to be able to fully quantify the religious spread in the UK if 100000 (I believe that was the quoted figure) people enter a specific religion, then that is recorded as a 'genuine' religion even if it's a minority one. This really makes the poll above more of a joke as those people (and I believe the figure did come to more than required) who did put Jedi would be recorded as 'of religious persuasion' in the above statistics even though there answer was something of a merry jape in order to be fully recognised as a Jedi :-) So don't trust religious statistics coming from that Census! Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
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David Wulff wrote: Only 15%? Out of all of my friends, colleagues and their families not one is religious. They come from all over the country, span both sexes, and range from late teens to OAPs in age. In fact, thinking very hard I can recall only one person I know who was religious, an ex-Christian brought up in a strict religious household of some Christian denomination or another. The only Christians I know are American and the only Muslims are French. In my experience, people are reluctant to describe themselves as atheists even when they don't give religious doctrine any serious consideration in their day to day lives. John Carson "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote ... and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him. - John F. Kennedy
Atheisism is a specific religion: a belief that there is no God. Most people who are not religion are Agnostic - they do not know. Atheisism is a strong statement. There is no particular reason to go that far for most people.