I hate hunters
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
People have been hunting since before they were human. We're part of the environment too, you know. The whole "nature" thing is pretty much: A. Eat sunlight B. Eat A C. Eat A and/or B There are quite a few things that fall into C: lions, bears, eagles, rats, spiders, killer whales, etc..., and I have a really hard time calling them good, evil, guilty, innocent, or any other anthropomorphic attribute that we attach to them. And before you get into the 'not for pleasure' stuff - killer whales are known to kill seals for fun (i.e. kill and toy with, but not eat). My two cats used to torture moles in my garage - literally! They would get one of the helpless little bastards in between the two of them, and they'd pretty much play soccer with it until it died. They never ate it - only toyed with it. what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... But you're a better person, since your passion is to eat animals, choosing to instead leave the dirty work of actually killing them to someone else? That's like the pacifist Dali Lama employing body guards... What about the hunters that enjoy the hunt, and then eat their kill (all of the ones I know do)? and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... You can "blah blah blah" at facts all you want - it just means you're incorrect. No species lives in magic harmony with its environment. Living in harmony with your environment means that you fit into A, B, or C above. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
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People have been hunting since before they were human. We're part of the environment too, you know. The whole "nature" thing is pretty much: A. Eat sunlight B. Eat A C. Eat A and/or B There are quite a few things that fall into C: lions, bears, eagles, rats, spiders, killer whales, etc..., and I have a really hard time calling them good, evil, guilty, innocent, or any other anthropomorphic attribute that we attach to them. And before you get into the 'not for pleasure' stuff - killer whales are known to kill seals for fun (i.e. kill and toy with, but not eat). My two cats used to torture moles in my garage - literally! They would get one of the helpless little bastards in between the two of them, and they'd pretty much play soccer with it until it died. They never ate it - only toyed with it. what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... But you're a better person, since your passion is to eat animals, choosing to instead leave the dirty work of actually killing them to someone else? That's like the pacifist Dali Lama employing body guards... What about the hunters that enjoy the hunt, and then eat their kill (all of the ones I know do)? and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... You can "blah blah blah" at facts all you want - it just means you're incorrect. No species lives in magic harmony with its environment. Living in harmony with your environment means that you fit into A, B, or C above. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
U get a rating of 5 for ths one Robby son ;) bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
Yeah, it can be pretty sad how some act about hunting. They claim it is the skill of the hunt as they get out there and use a riffle with a high powered scope to snipe an animal. Let them hunt with their bare hands and see how far it gets. That would show a real bear hunter :) I know, a lot of people enjoy it, and I live out here in Oregon, USA were there is a lot of hunting. But the truth be known, with many, it is mostly because guys want to get together, drink a bunch of beer, act macho and get away from their wives for a few days. It is nothing to go out deer or elk hunting and spend $500 or better along with days of your time to save a few hundred in beef from the store :) There is also the hunt of the perfect rack so that you can put it on your wall and brag to everyone how you slaughter that poor old animal that had meat tougher than shoe leather… Personally, unless you have to actually hunt for food (which eliminates 99% of the hunters), try a camera and leave the animals for those that need them. Maybe with all the "wasting" diseases (like Mad Cow for deer) out there in the wild game, it will slow down a bit. You have to keep in mind though, that the herds down in size so that they do not over populate. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - Now with "Recommendation" postings www.MyQuickPoll.com - Now with Recent Poll List www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com - Again :)
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
My inlaws like to hunt a lot and they wonder why I refuse to go. But like you say, I just don't see the point in blowing something away for sport. Animals feel pain too so why would I want to inflict that on an animal that has done nothing to me? 5 from me.
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People have been hunting since before they were human. We're part of the environment too, you know. The whole "nature" thing is pretty much: A. Eat sunlight B. Eat A C. Eat A and/or B There are quite a few things that fall into C: lions, bears, eagles, rats, spiders, killer whales, etc..., and I have a really hard time calling them good, evil, guilty, innocent, or any other anthropomorphic attribute that we attach to them. And before you get into the 'not for pleasure' stuff - killer whales are known to kill seals for fun (i.e. kill and toy with, but not eat). My two cats used to torture moles in my garage - literally! They would get one of the helpless little bastards in between the two of them, and they'd pretty much play soccer with it until it died. They never ate it - only toyed with it. what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... But you're a better person, since your passion is to eat animals, choosing to instead leave the dirty work of actually killing them to someone else? That's like the pacifist Dali Lama employing body guards... What about the hunters that enjoy the hunt, and then eat their kill (all of the ones I know do)? and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... You can "blah blah blah" at facts all you want - it just means you're incorrect. No species lives in magic harmony with its environment. Living in harmony with your environment means that you fit into A, B, or C above. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
Whoever voted you down and didn't comment on why is pathetic and obviously doesn't understand this thing called the ecosystem. Time to go back to bio class, kids.
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
Hockey wrote: What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... yes indeedy, everyone should be morally superior 'puter nerds. Or perhaps its horses for courses and some people like hunting the same way some people like to play puter games, and others like to play vile soccer or even some of those weirdo american games which they seem to insist on running world championships for when its only ever american teams completing...or that brutal rugby game thingy, or darts or tiddlywinks or.... and u know what..you'll always find people ragging in it coz they have a different point of view. See my .sig Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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Hockey wrote: What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... yes indeedy, everyone should be morally superior 'puter nerds. Or perhaps its horses for courses and some people like hunting the same way some people like to play puter games, and others like to play vile soccer or even some of those weirdo american games which they seem to insist on running world championships for when its only ever american teams completing...or that brutal rugby game thingy, or darts or tiddlywinks or.... and u know what..you'll always find people ragging in it coz they have a different point of view. See my .sig Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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I disagree with you bryce. 2 humans playing a spot like rugby or american football is one thing. Two morons bashing their brains is fine, because it is two people who have chosen to do this. Same goes with boxing. I personally wouldn't do boxing as something fun, but if it is between two consenting adults, go forth. But like it has been said before. Hiding far away with a high-powered scope and killing an animal just for the sake of killing it, is wrong. Kill for food is one thing. Killing just for the knowledge that you have the power to take a life is no better than someone killing another human being. Both are animals that do not consent to participate in the game. Time for humans to get out of the mode of, respect other people and what they believe in. I'm tired of people and their weird beliefs pushing that one on to others. Its wrong. Why is it wrong? Well why is it right? Why is it ok for a human to kill another animal for pleasure? If I can go and kill a deer or zebra, why can't I go and hunt a human? Much more fun I would say. :omg: "If you're too careful, your whole life can become a f---in' grind." - Mike McD (Rounders)
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I disagree with you bryce. 2 humans playing a spot like rugby or american football is one thing. Two morons bashing their brains is fine, because it is two people who have chosen to do this. Same goes with boxing. I personally wouldn't do boxing as something fun, but if it is between two consenting adults, go forth. But like it has been said before. Hiding far away with a high-powered scope and killing an animal just for the sake of killing it, is wrong. Kill for food is one thing. Killing just for the knowledge that you have the power to take a life is no better than someone killing another human being. Both are animals that do not consent to participate in the game. Time for humans to get out of the mode of, respect other people and what they believe in. I'm tired of people and their weird beliefs pushing that one on to others. Its wrong. Why is it wrong? Well why is it right? Why is it ok for a human to kill another animal for pleasure? If I can go and kill a deer or zebra, why can't I go and hunt a human? Much more fun I would say. :omg: "If you're too careful, your whole life can become a f---in' grind." - Mike McD (Rounders)
i think you missed the point Jubjub i also find it highly entertaining that you don't want others opinions pushed on you (which i doubt that they are) but you're more than happy to tell us your point of view :) personally i couldn't give a monkey's if someone wants to hunt rabbits, mice, wild pigs or not, i've got more improtant things to worry about. My preference is that they leave plenty for others and don't make 'em suffer too much. But thats my point of view...game of team fortress anyone? bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
I'd like to give you 10 points, but 5 is the maximum. Killing a creature that can feel pain and fear is murder, no matter if it looks similar to a monkey or not. Of course, there was a time when people could not find enough food, so they had to eat animals. But today we can choose what to eat, we can be vegetarians, if we want to. So where's the reasons to go on killing without need? I stopped eating meat when I was ten years old - that means, I'm a "veggie" since 14 years ago. It works, believe me. :cool:
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I'd like to give you 10 points, but 5 is the maximum. Killing a creature that can feel pain and fear is murder, no matter if it looks similar to a monkey or not. Of course, there was a time when people could not find enough food, so they had to eat animals. But today we can choose what to eat, we can be vegetarians, if we want to. So where's the reasons to go on killing without need? I stopped eating meat when I was ten years old - that means, I'm a "veggie" since 14 years ago. It works, believe me. :cool:
but i _like_ meat i LIKE steak i LIKE lamb, i LIKE a hamburger and i LIKE to going to the gym and working out and doing my hapkido and i like beer too So i think i'm happy for animals to be used to feed me...and no i don't mind sticking a hook in a fishes face and i don't mind gutting and filleting it myself. Just don't ask me to do the dishes ;) bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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i think you missed the point Jubjub i also find it highly entertaining that you don't want others opinions pushed on you (which i doubt that they are) but you're more than happy to tell us your point of view :) personally i couldn't give a monkey's if someone wants to hunt rabbits, mice, wild pigs or not, i've got more improtant things to worry about. My preference is that they leave plenty for others and don't make 'em suffer too much. But thats my point of view...game of team fortress anyone? bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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game of team fortress anyone? Too busy playing CS: Source. :-D
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but i _like_ meat i LIKE steak i LIKE lamb, i LIKE a hamburger and i LIKE to going to the gym and working out and doing my hapkido and i like beer too So i think i'm happy for animals to be used to feed me...and no i don't mind sticking a hook in a fishes face and i don't mind gutting and filleting it myself. Just don't ask me to do the dishes ;) bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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bryce wrote: and i like beer No prblem with beer :) bryce wrote: no i don't mind sticking a hook in a fishes face I don't have much experience with fish... anyway, no fish has ever done anything to me that would make him deserve a hook in his face. But there are a few humans who I'd love to stick onto hooks... no, I won't post explicit names here :rolleyes:
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game of team fortress anyone? Too busy playing CS: Source. :-D
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
is that a chicken sammy you're eating? u meat eating animal slaughtering b******d Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
I''m a westerner and I'm hoping you are only talking about sport hunting or fun hunting. Because from where I'm at hunting is a necessity. If I don't kill the deer, pigs, goats and possums on my property, I'll have a lot of soil errosion. Then a lot of nice native species will lose their habitat. All pests get a quick death, and the meat and skins are used, hell I even pay the couriers fees to the shelters. - Now jerks from the city who come hunting and don't even know how to stalk so they can get a clean up close shot really piss me off. Then half the time when they are finally succesful, they don't have the balls to carry their game out. Those guys suck. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
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I disagree with you bryce. 2 humans playing a spot like rugby or american football is one thing. Two morons bashing their brains is fine, because it is two people who have chosen to do this. Same goes with boxing. I personally wouldn't do boxing as something fun, but if it is between two consenting adults, go forth. But like it has been said before. Hiding far away with a high-powered scope and killing an animal just for the sake of killing it, is wrong. Kill for food is one thing. Killing just for the knowledge that you have the power to take a life is no better than someone killing another human being. Both are animals that do not consent to participate in the game. Time for humans to get out of the mode of, respect other people and what they believe in. I'm tired of people and their weird beliefs pushing that one on to others. Its wrong. Why is it wrong? Well why is it right? Why is it ok for a human to kill another animal for pleasure? If I can go and kill a deer or zebra, why can't I go and hunt a human? Much more fun I would say. :omg: "If you're too careful, your whole life can become a f---in' grind." - Mike McD (Rounders)
I think you'd find reading some of Peter Singer's works good. Read his stuff, not what is written about it. He seems to have a similar mindset to you. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
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People have been hunting since before they were human. We're part of the environment too, you know. The whole "nature" thing is pretty much: A. Eat sunlight B. Eat A C. Eat A and/or B There are quite a few things that fall into C: lions, bears, eagles, rats, spiders, killer whales, etc..., and I have a really hard time calling them good, evil, guilty, innocent, or any other anthropomorphic attribute that we attach to them. And before you get into the 'not for pleasure' stuff - killer whales are known to kill seals for fun (i.e. kill and toy with, but not eat). My two cats used to torture moles in my garage - literally! They would get one of the helpless little bastards in between the two of them, and they'd pretty much play soccer with it until it died. They never ate it - only toyed with it. what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... But you're a better person, since your passion is to eat animals, choosing to instead leave the dirty work of actually killing them to someone else? That's like the pacifist Dali Lama employing body guards... What about the hunters that enjoy the hunt, and then eat their kill (all of the ones I know do)? and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... You can "blah blah blah" at facts all you want - it just means you're incorrect. No species lives in magic harmony with its environment. Living in harmony with your environment means that you fit into A, B, or C above. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
I agree on the eating part. it's just that we've messed up our ecosystem so much that (at least where I live) hunting is still nessesary because we've first killed off all large predators :( Hunting 'just for fun' might be done by Orca's and cats but I hope I have an edge over these animals (called intelligence and self consciousness ) there are animals that will throw themselfes off cliffs if there's too many of them (we've all played lemmings). Pleas feel free to copy that also :) if you take animals as your holy example all the time you're doing yourself injustice (at least that's my opinion) Russell Morris wrote: What about the hunters that enjoy the hunt, and then eat their kill (all of the ones I know do)? With the overpoduction of meat that will just mean that somwhere else a piece of beef is going to go past it's expiry date, IMHO only hunting to keep the ecosystem a bit okay (after we've killed the big predators) is justifiable. (and no I dod NOT vote you down)
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I'd like to give you 10 points, but 5 is the maximum. Killing a creature that can feel pain and fear is murder, no matter if it looks similar to a monkey or not. Of course, there was a time when people could not find enough food, so they had to eat animals. But today we can choose what to eat, we can be vegetarians, if we want to. So where's the reasons to go on killing without need? I stopped eating meat when I was ten years old - that means, I'm a "veggie" since 14 years ago. It works, believe me. :cool:
We are all animals, Corinna. It's only the abuse and excess-use of other animals I have a problem with. And I'd like to make a bet that ten years from now they will find carrots have feelings* too... ;) * Call this what you will; Up until quite recently science deemed that fish did not feel as other animals did. This led many people to happily slaughter and eat fish but not other animals. It was then found out that fish do indeed feel just as we do. I still see vegetarians eating fish. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
This is bringing up the whole Animal Rights vegetarian issue. For the record, my Fiancée is vegetarian, and I'm happy to eat meat (tho do so seldomly, as it's far easier just to cook veggie meals!) About a year ago we found a rabbit in the middle of the road, with very bad Myxomatosis. We took it to the vet, who said she couldn’t do anything, so had to put it down. This upset me, (the silly, soppy thing that I am,) that the poor animal had been miserable, and died a needless death - The vet said it’s normal in infected rabbits that they just loose the will to live, and go and sit in the middle of the road to die. My fiancée then questioned me on why I was happy to have animals die so I could eat them, yet upset by this rabbit dying. What I told her (which is totally what I believe) is that if an animal dies to provide me food, then, in my opinion, it died a noble death, and I am grateful of it’s sacrifice for me (back to the whole natural food chain bit) – I will always make an effort to buy better quality organic/free range meat whenever there’s an option - for another thing, it just tastes much better!) I’m a complete pacifist, and would never want to kill anything just for the pure sake of killing it, but I know in my heart that if I was in a situation where killing an animal would provide food to keep me alive, then I would have to do it. Really it’s supermarkets to blame. If you ask a kid where milk comes from, they’ll probably tell you it was from Asda (or whatever chain their parents shop at), and will often be genuinely surprised if you make the connection between the cute pink things they’ve seen in animal parks and the sausages on their plate. We all know that an animal had to die so that we can have meat on our plates, but most people are happy to just forget about it (or think “hell, they’re not human, who gives a toss if they suffer”) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
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We are all animals, Corinna. It's only the abuse and excess-use of other animals I have a problem with. And I'd like to make a bet that ten years from now they will find carrots have feelings* too... ;) * Call this what you will; Up until quite recently science deemed that fish did not feel as other animals did. This led many people to happily slaughter and eat fish but not other animals. It was then found out that fish do indeed feel just as we do. I still see vegetarians eating fish. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: And I'd like to make a bet that ten years from now they will find carrots have feelings* too... I that's already been proven, what is in contention is what beings actually feel *pain*. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.