I hate hunters
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Yeah, it can be pretty sad how some act about hunting. They claim it is the skill of the hunt as they get out there and use a riffle with a high powered scope to snipe an animal. Let them hunt with their bare hands and see how far it gets. That would show a real bear hunter :) I know, a lot of people enjoy it, and I live out here in Oregon, USA were there is a lot of hunting. But the truth be known, with many, it is mostly because guys want to get together, drink a bunch of beer, act macho and get away from their wives for a few days. It is nothing to go out deer or elk hunting and spend $500 or better along with days of your time to save a few hundred in beef from the store :) There is also the hunt of the perfect rack so that you can put it on your wall and brag to everyone how you slaughter that poor old animal that had meat tougher than shoe leather… Personally, unless you have to actually hunt for food (which eliminates 99% of the hunters), try a camera and leave the animals for those that need them. Maybe with all the "wasting" diseases (like Mad Cow for deer) out there in the wild game, it will slow down a bit. You have to keep in mind though, that the herds down in size so that they do not over populate. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - Now with "Recommendation" postings www.MyQuickPoll.com - Now with Recent Poll List www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com - Again :)
I would gladly stop buying meat and only eat what I hunted. I might be using a scope, but I'm not creating a demand for the slaughter of animals in advance of my expressing an appetite. I would like to say, "It's been ages since I ate some good Rooibok or whatever, then go and get one, and eat it. What happens to meat that nobody buys? Learn which South African airlines never to use on my blog.
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We are all animals, Corinna. It's only the abuse and excess-use of other animals I have a problem with. And I'd like to make a bet that ten years from now they will find carrots have feelings* too... ;) * Call this what you will; Up until quite recently science deemed that fish did not feel as other animals did. This led many people to happily slaughter and eat fish but not other animals. It was then found out that fish do indeed feel just as we do. I still see vegetarians eating fish. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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You actually *build* those guns? :omg: Impressive! -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.
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but i _like_ meat i LIKE steak i LIKE lamb, i LIKE a hamburger and i LIKE to going to the gym and working out and doing my hapkido and i like beer too So i think i'm happy for animals to be used to feed me...and no i don't mind sticking a hook in a fishes face and i don't mind gutting and filleting it myself. Just don't ask me to do the dishes ;) bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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bryce wrote: but i _like_ meat i LIKE steak i LIKE lamb, i LIKE a hamburger Do you like the fact that the animals suffer terribly just so you can enjoy the simple "taste" of meat? Do you think it's justified? No. While I appreciate that people can and do eat meat, I think animals should be treated humanely as much as is possible. Right now, millions of animals suffer needlessly just for meat-eaters to enjoy their meat a little more than the equivalent vegetarian alternative. As for hunting for mere sport, it's disgusting and it's immoral. If you are not going to eat it, you have NO right to hunt it and kill it. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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We are all animals, Corinna. It's only the abuse and excess-use of other animals I have a problem with. And I'd like to make a bet that ten years from now they will find carrots have feelings* too... ;) * Call this what you will; Up until quite recently science deemed that fish did not feel as other animals did. This led many people to happily slaughter and eat fish but not other animals. It was then found out that fish do indeed feel just as we do. I still see vegetarians eating fish. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: And I'd like to make a bet that ten years from now they will find carrots have feelings* too... The argument against the abuse of animals, whether it be mistreatment or killing for sport is that as mammals we should be able to empathise with them and it's not just about whether an animal can feel "pain" or not, it's that animals have emotions, they experience pain, fear, pleasure, and they can even dream. An animal knows what fun is, anyone who has owned a dog can surely understand that. Carrots? Well, I suspect the situation is somewhat different for them ;) "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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bryce wrote: and i like beer No prblem with beer :) bryce wrote: no i don't mind sticking a hook in a fishes face I don't have much experience with fish... anyway, no fish has ever done anything to me that would make him deserve a hook in his face. But there are a few humans who I'd love to stick onto hooks... no, I won't post explicit names here :rolleyes:
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This is bringing up the whole Animal Rights vegetarian issue. For the record, my Fiancée is vegetarian, and I'm happy to eat meat (tho do so seldomly, as it's far easier just to cook veggie meals!) About a year ago we found a rabbit in the middle of the road, with very bad Myxomatosis. We took it to the vet, who said she couldn’t do anything, so had to put it down. This upset me, (the silly, soppy thing that I am,) that the poor animal had been miserable, and died a needless death - The vet said it’s normal in infected rabbits that they just loose the will to live, and go and sit in the middle of the road to die. My fiancée then questioned me on why I was happy to have animals die so I could eat them, yet upset by this rabbit dying. What I told her (which is totally what I believe) is that if an animal dies to provide me food, then, in my opinion, it died a noble death, and I am grateful of it’s sacrifice for me (back to the whole natural food chain bit) – I will always make an effort to buy better quality organic/free range meat whenever there’s an option - for another thing, it just tastes much better!) I’m a complete pacifist, and would never want to kill anything just for the pure sake of killing it, but I know in my heart that if I was in a situation where killing an animal would provide food to keep me alive, then I would have to do it. Really it’s supermarkets to blame. If you ask a kid where milk comes from, they’ll probably tell you it was from Asda (or whatever chain their parents shop at), and will often be genuinely surprised if you make the connection between the cute pink things they’ve seen in animal parks and the sausages on their plate. We all know that an animal had to die so that we can have meat on our plates, but most people are happy to just forget about it (or think “hell, they’re not human, who gives a toss if they suffer”) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
benjymous wrote: We all know that an animal had to die so that we can have meat on our plates It's equally true to say that an animal had to live to put food on your plate. If we didn't eat meat and drink dairy products then there would be no cattle in the world. Don't they have a right to exist. An animal on a well tended livestock farm would never have suffered like that live rabbit as the farmer would either have treated it or have put it out of it's misery before it got so bad. The simple fact is that almost all animals are in the wild are killed by other animals ie hunted. Those that aren't (ie ones at the top of the food chain) die a long miserable and painfull death. If we can give animlas a good quality of life by farming them then that's a good thing.
MOO!!
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
Here's another point to think about, for all the hunters here on CP (not for you, Hockey, it's for the guys who don't understand your text). Imagine you had four children. They are playing outside. Now a big animal appears and eats two of your kids. I know what you would think in this situation: That's nature. Animals eat other animals, there's nothing to worry about. I still have two kids left, so my species won't die out. You don't feel it's natural to be eaten by animals? No?! Why not? If you say that hunting is okay, because all animals have natural enemies, you have to accept that you also have natural enemies. If you don't accept your natural enemies, how can you be a natural enemy to other animals? Please feel offended, this post is meant to offend... *g*
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Sorry but you're talking rubbish killing an animal is not murder, murder is killing a human being. Look it up in the dictionary if you don't beleive me. We farm a small herd of beautifull pedigree cattle. We spend huge amounts of time looking after them. Yes the steers are killed after 2 and a half years, we'd like to keep them longer but the government won't allow it. But those animals have good lives and stay with their mothers. If people like us didn't farm the way we do the landscape where we live which has existed for thousands of years would simply disappear. Life for most animals in the wild is nasty brutish and short. Most wild animals don't make it at all to adulthood. Almost all of ours do. By the way if you still eat dairy products then you are a total hypocrite. Dairy animals are intensively farmed. The calves are seperated from their mothers at birth and the male calves are often killed straight away. If people ate less dairy products and more meat then there would be a market for these animals. Banning hunting in the UK is an appalling act motivated by prejudice and bigotry. Farmers who hunt maintain far more woodland on their farms. Every year millions of rats are poisoned in towns, peoples cats torture millions of mammals to death but nothing is done about any of that. Instead they persecute a few people in red coats because they are an easily identified minority. It's not eating meat that's the problem but the type of meat that people eat. Eat extensively farmed beef and lamb and you are encouraging good animal welfare.
MOO!!
Giles Bradshaw wrote: Banning hunting in the UK is an appalling act motivated by prejudice and bigotry. No it isn't. It's a moral reaction against the idea that killing animals for mere fun is wrong. Every other argument the pro-hunting lobby has offered has been shot down in flames, from the idea that hunting has anything more than a negligible effect on (for example) the fox population, to that hunting with dogs is humane. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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Sorry but you're talking rubbish killing an animal is not murder, murder is killing a human being. Look it up in the dictionary if you don't beleive me. We farm a small herd of beautifull pedigree cattle. We spend huge amounts of time looking after them. Yes the steers are killed after 2 and a half years, we'd like to keep them longer but the government won't allow it. But those animals have good lives and stay with their mothers. If people like us didn't farm the way we do the landscape where we live which has existed for thousands of years would simply disappear. Life for most animals in the wild is nasty brutish and short. Most wild animals don't make it at all to adulthood. Almost all of ours do. By the way if you still eat dairy products then you are a total hypocrite. Dairy animals are intensively farmed. The calves are seperated from their mothers at birth and the male calves are often killed straight away. If people ate less dairy products and more meat then there would be a market for these animals. Banning hunting in the UK is an appalling act motivated by prejudice and bigotry. Farmers who hunt maintain far more woodland on their farms. Every year millions of rats are poisoned in towns, peoples cats torture millions of mammals to death but nothing is done about any of that. Instead they persecute a few people in red coats because they are an easily identified minority. It's not eating meat that's the problem but the type of meat that people eat. Eat extensively farmed beef and lamb and you are encouraging good animal welfare.
MOO!!
Giles Bradshaw wrote: Eat extensively farmed beef and lamb and you are encouraging good animal welfare. Rubbish. It is not up to the consumer to implement humane practice in the meat industry, it is the industry itself. Unfortunately, the industry has shown time and time again that it is completely incapable or just merely reluctant to police itself. Terrible cruelty and suffering happens all the time, and if the public were made aware of it, I'm sure action would be taken. The meat industry that so many people are prepared to defend is not even prepared to open its doors to inspection, and there is no way you will get to see the operations of the abattoir on the evening news while you eat your dinner. There's no way our children will be taken on school trips to see the slaughtering process, and why? Because the slaughter of animals is a terrible sight to witness, and one that requires the hardest of hearts or wills to stomach. Of course, humans are quite capable of abstracting away the suffering of animals to suit their desire and I guess that supermarkets will never show videos of the slaughtering process at the meat counter. Does anyone else find it strange that the way meat is prouduced has to be hidden away from public view? Surely if it were perfectly natural and morally justifiable in the modern world, we would have no reservations about our children understanding and witnessing the process in all its gory detail. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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Here's another point to think about, for all the hunters here on CP (not for you, Hockey, it's for the guys who don't understand your text). Imagine you had four children. They are playing outside. Now a big animal appears and eats two of your kids. I know what you would think in this situation: That's nature. Animals eat other animals, there's nothing to worry about. I still have two kids left, so my species won't die out. You don't feel it's natural to be eaten by animals? No?! Why not? If you say that hunting is okay, because all animals have natural enemies, you have to accept that you also have natural enemies. If you don't accept your natural enemies, how can you be a natural enemy to other animals? Please feel offended, this post is meant to offend... *g*
Nice point Corinna :)
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
Hockey wrote: If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... And that's how you shoot yourself in the foot: you wouldn't have a chance... :) PS: I shot rabbits for fun and, trust me, the meal tasted better...
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What people don't realise about the UK bill is that it doesn't ban fox hunting it bans any body going out with a dog from chasing any wild mammal except a rabbit or a rat whether or not they are in control of that dog. How can I teach my dogs the difference between a rabbit and a hare? They will chase anything from squirrels to postmen. The fact is that Almost all dog walkers will be criminalised by this absurd legislation, but it will only be used to attack the small minority that the government actually wants to persecute.
MOO!!
Yet more absolute rubbish. No-one is going to be charged with a criminal offence if their dog chases the odd squirrel. It's just another myth that the pro-hunt lobby clings to and wishes to perpetuate simply to give their bloodsport more chance of being allowed to continue. Seriously, do you honestly think people will listen to this sort of crap and believe it? Regarding your dogs' liking for postman's leg, have you ever heard of a "lead" or even "training"? "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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Hehe, yeah - I've had that argument with veggies before - "You're against the cruel mistreatment of animals, and their exploitation and death to provide us nourishment, but what about all the poor yeast that died in their own excrement (*) in order to make that drink you've got?" (*) yes - alcohol is the excrement of yeast - the gorge themselves on sugar until they've crapped out so much that the liquid they're living in is too toxic for them -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
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Here's another point to think about, for all the hunters here on CP (not for you, Hockey, it's for the guys who don't understand your text). Imagine you had four children. They are playing outside. Now a big animal appears and eats two of your kids. I know what you would think in this situation: That's nature. Animals eat other animals, there's nothing to worry about. I still have two kids left, so my species won't die out. You don't feel it's natural to be eaten by animals? No?! Why not? If you say that hunting is okay, because all animals have natural enemies, you have to accept that you also have natural enemies. If you don't accept your natural enemies, how can you be a natural enemy to other animals? Please feel offended, this post is meant to offend... *g*
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I agree on the eating part. it's just that we've messed up our ecosystem so much that (at least where I live) hunting is still nessesary because we've first killed off all large predators :( Hunting 'just for fun' might be done by Orca's and cats but I hope I have an edge over these animals (called intelligence and self consciousness ) there are animals that will throw themselfes off cliffs if there's too many of them (we've all played lemmings). Pleas feel free to copy that also :) if you take animals as your holy example all the time you're doing yourself injustice (at least that's my opinion) Russell Morris wrote: What about the hunters that enjoy the hunt, and then eat their kill (all of the ones I know do)? With the overpoduction of meat that will just mean that somwhere else a piece of beef is going to go past it's expiry date, IMHO only hunting to keep the ecosystem a bit okay (after we've killed the big predators) is justifiable. (and no I dod NOT vote you down)
Rutger Ellen wrote: Hunting 'just for fun' might be done by Orca's and cats but I hope I have an edge over these animals (called intelligence and self consciousness ) Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons. -- Douglas Adams -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
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Nice point Corinna :)
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone he can blame it on. If you tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe, he'll believe you. But if you tell him a bench has just been painted, he'll have to touch it to be sure.
Thanks :-O It's the point for the "we all are animals"-people, who mean with that sentence "we all want to act like animals, but get treated better than animals". :cool:
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We are all animals, Corinna. It's only the abuse and excess-use of other animals I have a problem with. And I'd like to make a bet that ten years from now they will find carrots have feelings* too... ;) * Call this what you will; Up until quite recently science deemed that fish did not feel as other animals did. This led many people to happily slaughter and eat fish but not other animals. It was then found out that fish do indeed feel just as we do. I still see vegetarians eating fish. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: And I'd like to make a bet that ten years from now they will find carrots have feelings* too... I remember hearing/reading some study that had found that carrots emmited some kind of "shriek" of radio noise when they were pulled from the ground. Sadly, even armed with the almighty Google, I can't track down any supporting evidence, so maybe I imagined it -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
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Sick mofo[^] Especially the part where he says... My father John Charron Jr. grew up during the depression. He hunted out of necessity, but this quickly grew into a passion When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. My Dad hunted until I was about 3 and my mom talked him into stopping, thank god, cuz I wouldn't stand for it either. What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... Humans are killing the planet faster than anything...so why not knock off a couple hunters instead. Man hunting makes me sick...although i'm not a vegetarian I feel it important to have a well balanced meal (fruits, vegs, meat, etc) but I stricly condemn hunting for pleasure. I feel we (as in N. Americans or Westerners) live in an advanced society and have plenty of pre-processed food readily available at grocery stores, which already probably gets wasted to some degree. There is simply no need to hunt. This message is not directed at anyone specifically...and I appologize if I sound irrational, but jesus...what that guy said really pissed me off...it's his passion to kill animals... :(( If we still lived in the old west i'd challenge him to a...uhh...standoff...hi-noon gun fight thing... :) Gees how depressing...I was feelin' fine til I read that...I just really hate to see any animal die...even though I know I consume certain meats, like chicken, beef, etc...i've often thought of going vegan, but i'm afraid i'd go postal or something...and seriously start hunting hunters...becuz of a protein defficiency or something weird. Appologies if I offended anyone, but for real quit hunting!!! If you do...of course were all advanced human beings whom rather program than take the life of an innocent animal, especially for fun...thats whats disturbing me. Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
Hockey wrote: When I read this...I thought...man I would love to hunt the hunters. It'd be cool to hunt something that actually shot back, instead of some poor animal. You could join the Army.
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Hehe, yeah - I've had that argument with veggies before - "You're against the cruel mistreatment of animals, and their exploitation and death to provide us nourishment, but what about all the poor yeast that died in their own excrement (*) in order to make that drink you've got?" (*) yes - alcohol is the excrement of yeast - the gorge themselves on sugar until they've crapped out so much that the liquid they're living in is too toxic for them -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!