I hate hunters
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Hockey wrote: What a savage, stupid sport...pointless...and for any of those who may try and argue...unless your hunting out of necessity...your doing it for fun...either for the thrill of the kill or whatever reason, it's not required...and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... yes indeedy, everyone should be morally superior 'puter nerds. Or perhaps its horses for courses and some people like hunting the same way some people like to play puter games, and others like to play vile soccer or even some of those weirdo american games which they seem to insist on running world championships for when its only ever american teams completing...or that brutal rugby game thingy, or darts or tiddlywinks or.... and u know what..you'll always find people ragging in it coz they have a different point of view. See my .sig Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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Hockey is a pretty brutal sport, at times...but heres the difference... An animal cannot speak for itself or atleast communicate as to whether or not it feels comfrotable being hunted by some camo-covered lunatic who kills for frills... You think if I asked these hunters if they'd mind me shooting at them with a high power rifle while completely concealed (so they couldn't see me or fire back) they would give me their approval...? I wish they would...it'd be much more interesting getting shot at after firing a round or two. How do I print my voice mail?
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I'd like to give you 10 points, but 5 is the maximum. Killing a creature that can feel pain and fear is murder, no matter if it looks similar to a monkey or not. Of course, there was a time when people could not find enough food, so they had to eat animals. But today we can choose what to eat, we can be vegetarians, if we want to. So where's the reasons to go on killing without need? I stopped eating meat when I was ten years old - that means, I'm a "veggie" since 14 years ago. It works, believe me. :cool:
I appreciate your comments, howvere I was not advocating not eating meat...We are omnivores after all...I just accept hunting for sport...and I try not to think about the chickens when I eat eggs, cows when I drink milk, etc... Hunting for sport is really sick...if I shot someone and hung their head up on my wall everyone would call hannibal. So I fail to see how it's acceptable when a moose head isw hung up on a wall. How do I print my voice mail?
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but i _like_ meat i LIKE steak i LIKE lamb, i LIKE a hamburger and i LIKE to going to the gym and working out and doing my hapkido and i like beer too So i think i'm happy for animals to be used to feed me...and no i don't mind sticking a hook in a fishes face and i don't mind gutting and filleting it myself. Just don't ask me to do the dishes ;) bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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Heres is where i'm slightley a hypocrite...in fact I clarify this in my original post. I was not suggesting eating meat was wrong...we are designed for it...we can digest it and have the teeth to chew meat, so obviously were intedned to eat meat. What I was saying, is that hunting for sport is barbarric and unneccsary...there is already enough preproceesed meat, killing any more animals is just6 wasting...already food in deli's get wasted and thrown out... P.s-There are protein supplements which i'm sure you aware of...rice or soy protein does just as good of job. How do I print my voice mail?
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bryce wrote: but i _like_ meat i LIKE steak i LIKE lamb, i LIKE a hamburger Do you like the fact that the animals suffer terribly just so you can enjoy the simple "taste" of meat? Do you think it's justified? No. While I appreciate that people can and do eat meat, I think animals should be treated humanely as much as is possible. Right now, millions of animals suffer needlessly just for meat-eaters to enjoy their meat a little more than the equivalent vegetarian alternative. As for hunting for mere sport, it's disgusting and it's immoral. If you are not going to eat it, you have NO right to hunt it and kill it. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
phykell wrote: As for hunting for mere sport, it's disgusting and it's immoral. If you are not going to eat it, you have NO right to hunt it and kill it. In a perfect world, there would be no such thing as pre-processed meat or deli's...instead each family if they wanted meat would have to hunt their own kill... phykell wrote: Do you like the fact that the animals suffer terribly just so you can enjoy the simple "taste" of meat? Do you think it's justified? In all fareness they don't all suffer...my mother and father always buy their meat from a free-reign farm...animals are free to roam 100's of acres and live almost as they would if they were totally free...not that it matters cuz their eventually killed... :(( How do I print my voice mail?
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This is bringing up the whole Animal Rights vegetarian issue. For the record, my Fiancée is vegetarian, and I'm happy to eat meat (tho do so seldomly, as it's far easier just to cook veggie meals!) About a year ago we found a rabbit in the middle of the road, with very bad Myxomatosis. We took it to the vet, who said she couldn’t do anything, so had to put it down. This upset me, (the silly, soppy thing that I am,) that the poor animal had been miserable, and died a needless death - The vet said it’s normal in infected rabbits that they just loose the will to live, and go and sit in the middle of the road to die. My fiancée then questioned me on why I was happy to have animals die so I could eat them, yet upset by this rabbit dying. What I told her (which is totally what I believe) is that if an animal dies to provide me food, then, in my opinion, it died a noble death, and I am grateful of it’s sacrifice for me (back to the whole natural food chain bit) – I will always make an effort to buy better quality organic/free range meat whenever there’s an option - for another thing, it just tastes much better!) I’m a complete pacifist, and would never want to kill anything just for the pure sake of killing it, but I know in my heart that if I was in a situation where killing an animal would provide food to keep me alive, then I would have to do it. Really it’s supermarkets to blame. If you ask a kid where milk comes from, they’ll probably tell you it was from Asda (or whatever chain their parents shop at), and will often be genuinely surprised if you make the connection between the cute pink things they’ve seen in animal parks and the sausages on their plate. We all know that an animal had to die so that we can have meat on our plates, but most people are happy to just forget about it (or think “hell, they’re not human, who gives a toss if they suffer”) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
benjymous wrote: This is bringing up the whole Animal Rights vegetarian issue. Not exactly what i was aiming at... I agree with most of what you said, if not all...I eat meat...I thought i made that clear...I don't plan on changing that...we are omnivores... I just don't believe hunting is appropriate in these days and age...it's barbarric...and not neccsary... Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
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Hockey wrote: and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... But it is. Hunting animals isn't for me at all, I much prefer hunting other consenting adults[^] for the reasons you've stated, but in many environments where animals exist because they were introduced by humans or humans have removed a part of the ecosystem that would normally cull them then we need to accept responsibility and step in to manage their numbers. The environment would be damaged far more quickly if we allowed them to get out of control as we have with ourselves. Paul says it quiote nicely above - "we are all animals". Why not let people who enjoy the experience do the dirty work. It might just help save the lives of other animals that would be killed for sport.
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First of all...where do you live...how did you get those killer guns (no pun intended)... Yer like Scarface..."Lemme show you ma' lil' friend" How do I print my voice mail?
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i think you missed the point Jubjub i also find it highly entertaining that you don't want others opinions pushed on you (which i doubt that they are) but you're more than happy to tell us your point of view :) personally i couldn't give a monkey's if someone wants to hunt rabbits, mice, wild pigs or not, i've got more improtant things to worry about. My preference is that they leave plenty for others and don't make 'em suffer too much. But thats my point of view...game of team fortress anyone? bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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Sounds fun to me :) "If you're too careful, your whole life can become a f---in' grind." - Mike McD (Rounders)
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Rocky Moore wrote: just barely alive and it was making an awful noise I'm sorry to say it but you shoud have finished him as quickly as possible. A hunting dog is the best do the dirty job. Animals, IMO, were made by God to be at humans' disposal. I wouldn't mix the things up.
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phykell wrote: Do you like the fact that the animals suffer terribly just so you can enjoy the simple "taste" of meat? Do you think it's justified? don't really care to be honest know enough about the farming etc to know that they don't actually suffer much. The Culling process is very efficient as any farmer will tell you ...now...wheres my hamburger with bacon? Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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"don't really care to be honest" - Ah yes, the modern excuse for inaction. Why didn't you just say "meh". "know enough about the farming etc to know that they don't actually suffer much" - It depends on what you mean by "suffer much". I'll hazard a guess and say you know very little about it. Have you ever been in an abattoir? Have you not seen the way chickens are battery farmed? Have you not seen how veal is produced? Foie gras? Don't tell me the farming industry isn't cruel because it just doesn't wash. While Giles' farm may have the right approach, his is not in the majority by any means. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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"don't really care to be honest" - Ah yes, the modern excuse for inaction. Why didn't you just say "meh". "know enough about the farming etc to know that they don't actually suffer much" - It depends on what you mean by "suffer much". I'll hazard a guess and say you know very little about it. Have you ever been in an abattoir? Have you not seen the way chickens are battery farmed? Have you not seen how veal is produced? Foie gras? Don't tell me the farming industry isn't cruel because it just doesn't wash. While Giles' farm may have the right approach, his is not in the majority by any means. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
phykell wrote: - Ah yes, the modern excuse for inaction. Why didn't you just say "meh". ok "meh" phykell wrote: ". I'll hazard a guess and say you know very little about it. guess again noddy phykell wrote: Don't tell me the farming industry isn't cruel because it just doesn't wash mate, i dont bloody care really couldn't give a monkeys and I'm not hyprocrit about it cheers Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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phykell wrote: - Ah yes, the modern excuse for inaction. Why didn't you just say "meh". ok "meh" phykell wrote: ". I'll hazard a guess and say you know very little about it. guess again noddy phykell wrote: Don't tell me the farming industry isn't cruel because it just doesn't wash mate, i dont bloody care really couldn't give a monkeys and I'm not hyprocrit about it cheers Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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"guess again noddy" OK, let's see. You actually do know all about it, but you just don't care. "mate, i dont bloody care really couldn't give a monkeys and I'm not hyprocrit about it cheers Bryce " Oh yes, now I get it. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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First of all...where do you live...how did you get those killer guns (no pun intended)... Yer like Scarface..."Lemme show you ma' lil' friend" How do I print my voice mail?
I live in cold rainy Tiverton, South West England. Most parts you wont find in this country so I import them from East Asia, some other parts can be found with local gun or airsoft retailers, on eBay, public forums, word of mouth, etc.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion