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>Don't have to name them - you know them. Count me ignorant. I am genuinely curious as to which American cars you think are better than German cars. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I'll take my 240hp Accord Sedan EX over all of them. :-D "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Damn fine car that, gives zee Germans a real run for their money in all departments. Not American though ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I'll take my 240hp Accord Sedan EX over all of them. :-D "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
I forgot to ask; What colour did you get? The gun metal grey? regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Damn fine car that, gives zee Germans a real run for their money in all departments. Not American though ;) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I forgot to ask; What colour did you get? The gun metal grey? regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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>Don't have to name them - you know them. Count me ignorant. I am genuinely curious as to which American cars you think are better than German cars. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
The corvette is superior to any German production sports car. http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/[^] The Viper is superior in acceleration to any German vehicle but doesn't handle as well as some of the German vehicles. But is considerably cheaper. http://www.dodge.com/viper/[^] The Ford GT appears to be awesome but I have not personally driven one http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/home.asp[^] The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8279[^] For an all around nifty little sports vehicle the Mustang is hard to beat on a price/performance basis. http://www.allfordmustangs.com/[^] If I knew what kind of car you were interested in I could narrow the search but in racing circles the German entries have been deficient for some time now. There are some nice import vehicles in the SUV and 4WD catagories such as the Taureg etc... but as far as off road performance is concerned its kinda hard to beat a Jeep. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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>Don't have to name them - you know them. Count me ignorant. I am genuinely curious as to which American cars you think are better than German cars. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
I can only think of one at the moment: the Corvette. Regards, Alvaro
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. - George W. Bush
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I'll take my 240hp Accord Sedan EX over all of them. :-D "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
Mike Mullikin wrote: I'll take my 240hp Accord Sedan EX over all of them. I have a fully restored Thunderbird Super Coupe that will lay most of them in the trash unless we have to start those pesky twisty turns a lot. Mines a 90 but looks almost exactly like this http://www.sccoa.com/articles/sfbillhull.php[^] Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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The corvette is superior to any German production sports car. http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/[^] The Viper is superior in acceleration to any German vehicle but doesn't handle as well as some of the German vehicles. But is considerably cheaper. http://www.dodge.com/viper/[^] The Ford GT appears to be awesome but I have not personally driven one http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/home.asp[^] The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8279[^] For an all around nifty little sports vehicle the Mustang is hard to beat on a price/performance basis. http://www.allfordmustangs.com/[^] If I knew what kind of car you were interested in I could narrow the search but in racing circles the German entries have been deficient for some time now. There are some nice import vehicles in the SUV and 4WD catagories such as the Taureg etc... but as far as off road performance is concerned its kinda hard to beat a Jeep. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: The Viper is superior in acceleration to any German vehicle No[^] Richard Stringer wrote: The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare Logical, it's so awful! ;P
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The corvette is superior to any German production sports car. http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/[^] The Viper is superior in acceleration to any German vehicle but doesn't handle as well as some of the German vehicles. But is considerably cheaper. http://www.dodge.com/viper/[^] The Ford GT appears to be awesome but I have not personally driven one http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/home.asp[^] The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8279[^] For an all around nifty little sports vehicle the Mustang is hard to beat on a price/performance basis. http://www.allfordmustangs.com/[^] If I knew what kind of car you were interested in I could narrow the search but in racing circles the German entries have been deficient for some time now. There are some nice import vehicles in the SUV and 4WD catagories such as the Taureg etc... but as far as off road performance is concerned its kinda hard to beat a Jeep. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
American cars have come a long way, no longer the realm of waterbed suspension. Your sugestions are credible but IMO still not quite there in a holistic manner (except for the 4X4 mention. Thought I'd take a Landie over a Jeep. I can't remember if BMW still own Land Rover or not though.) Sports car wise, look no further than Porsche which might not outdrag a big block American but sure would beat it in most other departments. I tend to respect AutoCar for car reviews and they rate the Caddy well, still has a few years to prove itself though. Ford GT does seem awesome though we will have to see how the Audi supercar stacks up against it when it comes out. Of course, there is still the rest of Europe to contend with; Alfa Romeo, Lamborghini, Renault, Jaguar, Aston Martin and Peugeot. Admitedly many owned by American companies but the Europenas have influenced their parent companies IMO. And then we have Toyota! Watch out GM. They have already beaten Ford. Cars are great eh? I just need a bank balance to match :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I can only think of one at the moment: the Corvette. Regards, Alvaro
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. - George W. Bush
Better than what comparable German car? I'd take a Porsche over a Corvette if forced to name a comparison German car. They are for different markets though. Different prices too. I don't think Germany produces a direct Corvette competitor; Maybe more the realm of far-east companies like Honda (S2000) or now Nissan (350Z). regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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American cars have come a long way, no longer the realm of waterbed suspension. Your sugestions are credible but IMO still not quite there in a holistic manner (except for the 4X4 mention. Thought I'd take a Landie over a Jeep. I can't remember if BMW still own Land Rover or not though.) Sports car wise, look no further than Porsche which might not outdrag a big block American but sure would beat it in most other departments. I tend to respect AutoCar for car reviews and they rate the Caddy well, still has a few years to prove itself though. Ford GT does seem awesome though we will have to see how the Audi supercar stacks up against it when it comes out. Of course, there is still the rest of Europe to contend with; Alfa Romeo, Lamborghini, Renault, Jaguar, Aston Martin and Peugeot. Admitedly many owned by American companies but the Europenas have influenced their parent companies IMO. And then we have Toyota! Watch out GM. They have already beaten Ford. Cars are great eh? I just need a bank balance to match :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Jaguar Jaguar was finished long before it was bought by Ford. Since the E-type, the legend is dead. Paul Watson wrote: And then we have Toyota! About performance: Subaru Impreza. Impressive.
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Richard Stringer wrote: The Viper is superior in acceleration to any German vehicle No[^] Richard Stringer wrote: The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare Logical, it's so awful! ;P
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0 -50 ? Gimme a break. Try 0-120. K(arl) wrote: The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare Logical, it's so awful! Take your behind off the couch and go drive one. You will be amazed. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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I ws gonna try to have fun here but Mike beat any effort that I could produce so I will just argue a few small points: MwaHaaHaa wrote: You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The Queen", God had better save the Queen because the British Army damn sure won't MwaHaaHaa wrote: All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. "Know German Cars" ? I know how they look in the rear view mirror. Over engineered - over priced - and over here. However we have a few little underpriced entries that blow the socks off those semi-intelligent vehicles. Don't have to name them - you know them. Richard Really German Cars ? Polished up sreamlined garbage trucks - damn near as bad as the French roach coach. "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
The "over engineered" argument is just another way of saying "they're better engineers". ;P -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. Are you bright too?[^]
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Well done. Small clarification though - Canadians do _not_ have accents. Australians and Britons have accents. Americans have speech impediments.
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American cars have come a long way, no longer the realm of waterbed suspension. Your sugestions are credible but IMO still not quite there in a holistic manner (except for the 4X4 mention. Thought I'd take a Landie over a Jeep. I can't remember if BMW still own Land Rover or not though.) Sports car wise, look no further than Porsche which might not outdrag a big block American but sure would beat it in most other departments. I tend to respect AutoCar for car reviews and they rate the Caddy well, still has a few years to prove itself though. Ford GT does seem awesome though we will have to see how the Audi supercar stacks up against it when it comes out. Of course, there is still the rest of Europe to contend with; Alfa Romeo, Lamborghini, Renault, Jaguar, Aston Martin and Peugeot. Admitedly many owned by American companies but the Europenas have influenced their parent companies IMO. And then we have Toyota! Watch out GM. They have already beaten Ford. Cars are great eh? I just need a bank balance to match :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Sports car wise, look no further than Porsche which might not outdrag a big block American but sure would beat it in most other departments. Nope . It can't. I am a BIG race fan ( real racing not NASCAR) and it has been a real long time since Porsche has won anything except a race against another Porchse. The vette can out run and out handle the little roaches. You really need to test drive one of them. Paul Watson wrote: Alfa Romeo, Lamborghini, Renault, Jaguar, Aston Martin and Peugeot Aside from the Lamborghini ( which is basically a hand made machine - not a production model) all the others mentioned are rather plebian in performance and styling. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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The "over engineered" argument is just another way of saying "they're better engineers". ;P -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. Are you bright too?[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: The "over engineered" argument is just another way of saying "they're better engineers Bullshit. I would like to see a coke bottle top designed by some of the Porsche or BWM engineers. Check out the steering and the suspension against the Corvette - which handles better BTW. Also look at the braking systems of the high end Porsches. Sometimes there is a need to "over engineer" something - but not in the amount or degree that some do. In a full time racing vehicle perhaps - but in the Boxster ? The 9xx series of yuppie street machines. naa Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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The corvette is superior to any German production sports car. http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/[^] The Viper is superior in acceleration to any German vehicle but doesn't handle as well as some of the German vehicles. But is considerably cheaper. http://www.dodge.com/viper/[^] The Ford GT appears to be awesome but I have not personally driven one http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/home.asp[^] The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8279[^] For an all around nifty little sports vehicle the Mustang is hard to beat on a price/performance basis. http://www.allfordmustangs.com/[^] If I knew what kind of car you were interested in I could narrow the search but in racing circles the German entries have been deficient for some time now. There are some nice import vehicles in the SUV and 4WD catagories such as the Taureg etc... but as far as off road performance is concerned its kinda hard to beat a Jeep. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: The corvette is superior to any German production sports car. I'll take a Mercedes {S,E,CL}55 AMG[^] over a Corvette any day. A bit more pricy. But for the money you actually get a good looking and ass kicking car. If money really isn't an issue, then the Mercedes SL65 is just perfect. Richard Stringer wrote: The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare I thought this years new BMW models were the ugliest cars ever built. It seems I was wrong. :~ -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. Are you bright too?[^]
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0 -50 ? Gimme a break. Try 0-120. K(arl) wrote: The Caddy STS is a BMW drivers worst nightmare Logical, it's so awful! Take your behind off the couch and go drive one. You will be amazed. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: Try 0-120. I didn't find this data for a Viper. I just found 0-100mph: http://www.car-videos.com/performance/speed.asp?Speed1=0&Speed2=100[^]. The Viper is still behind the CLK-GTR.[^] However the prices aren't the same, so I don't think these cars are really comparable. Richard Stringer wrote: Take your behind off the couch I was just trolling. Tous les goûts sont dans la Nature. Richard Stringer wrote: go drive one No thanks. when I search for performance, I prefer a bike, for me it's much more impressive (The fastest I tried: KAWASAKI ZZR-1100, unlimited, 0-120 mph = 7.6 s - Try to beat that with a Viper ;P)
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Richard Stringer wrote: Try 0-120. I didn't find this data for a Viper. I just found 0-100mph: http://www.car-videos.com/performance/speed.asp?Speed1=0&Speed2=100[^]. The Viper is still behind the CLK-GTR.[^] However the prices aren't the same, so I don't think these cars are really comparable. Richard Stringer wrote: Take your behind off the couch I was just trolling. Tous les goûts sont dans la Nature. Richard Stringer wrote: go drive one No thanks. when I search for performance, I prefer a bike, for me it's much more impressive (The fastest I tried: KAWASAKI ZZR-1100, unlimited, 0-120 mph = 7.6 s - Try to beat that with a Viper ;P)
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K(arl) wrote: I prefer a bike, for me it's much more impressive I haven't ridden bike much since I put my BSA Gold Star under a logging truck outside of Boulder Colorado some years ago. I still have the bike in the garage ( it needs some TLC and a few parts ). In 91 I traded a old pickup truck for a 67 Harley and had about 3500.00 work done on it and only rode it a few times. I sold it in 95 and actually made money on the deal. I got 6700 and the truck was only worth about 1500 -2000. Richard ( who knows what a log trucks tranny looks like from underneath ) "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)