Piracy
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Just a topic changer... What is everyones views on software piracy? Microsoft cant really expect us not to copy a cd for a mate. (not saying i have) I dont know haw many copied CDs i have seen being exchanged around my school. If 16 year old kids are trading software everyday, and some of this software is pretty top notch stuff (Windows, Office XP, .NET Server(!) and beyond...) how much is this affecting microsoft anyway? If my school is anything to go by then what is the big wide world like! They cant expect us not to if they charge such outrageous prices for their software and then con us into buying it 3 or four times for every computer in our homes (Windows XP take a bow). Also with software like morpheus, Kazaa and other spawn of Napster can they really expect us to pay for anything? Windows XP is only a day or two's downloading for a 56k modem! Please give me your feelings on this. .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
Ok, 1.) Microsoft is a company, there principal obligation is to there stockholders, eg be profitable. 2.) Microsoft must keep there existing customer base happy so they don't migrate to the Sun or Penguin type OS. 3.) Microsoft must have done some Math to work out what is the optimum price for its code to return the maximum profit. 16 year old kids trading software is a problem for MS, but at least the kids are trading MS stuff, and the more they learn about MS the more they will be inclined to stick with it for life. A similar analogy can be put to spoken language, Most people learn there Mother tounge as infants and then for the rest of there lifes compare other languages to there mother language. Jonny Newman wrote: They cant expect us not to if they charge such outrageous prices for their software and then con us into buying it 3 or four times for every computer in our homes (Windows XP take a bow). As we turn to a subscription based Operating System model, MS maybe able to license a telephone or ADSL number to be the owner of a multi-site license. Who knows ! My 2 cents. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Ok, 1.) Microsoft is a company, there principal obligation is to there stockholders, eg be profitable. 2.) Microsoft must keep there existing customer base happy so they don't migrate to the Sun or Penguin type OS. 3.) Microsoft must have done some Math to work out what is the optimum price for its code to return the maximum profit. 16 year old kids trading software is a problem for MS, but at least the kids are trading MS stuff, and the more they learn about MS the more they will be inclined to stick with it for life. A similar analogy can be put to spoken language, Most people learn there Mother tounge as infants and then for the rest of there lifes compare other languages to there mother language. Jonny Newman wrote: They cant expect us not to if they charge such outrageous prices for their software and then con us into buying it 3 or four times for every computer in our homes (Windows XP take a bow). As we turn to a subscription based Operating System model, MS maybe able to license a telephone or ADSL number to be the owner of a multi-site license. Who knows ! My 2 cents. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I live in Bob's HungOut now
Good point but subscription would just cause more hassle to the general public. When I wanna buy a peice of software i normally goto my local PC World and fork out the £30 or whatever. I then have one boxed version of the program. Once i have that i have peice of mind that i wont have to spend any more time or money on the licencing or other legalities. Microsoft have however in their money grabbing minds, created the product activation system. I have to hand it to them that it is an impressive bit of coding yet it has caused so much untoward hassle to Joe Bloggs in their homes. No they warn that if you change your motherboard and then re-install windows, they will ring you up asking why! This to me is an utter disgrace. I dont know how many times i had to re-install WinMe or Win98 when i used them and i had no fear of doing so. Now it seems i'm only allowed to re-install WinXP 3 times! This is where Linux and the MacOS shine! I predict a loss in customer faithfullness to microsoft and therefore a loss of business. By the way does anyone have an extimated proce on .NET Standard Server when it comes out. I just want to know whether it will be worth my while bying it legally or swapping a cd with a friend for it! .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
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Just a topic changer... What is everyones views on software piracy? Microsoft cant really expect us not to copy a cd for a mate. (not saying i have) I dont know haw many copied CDs i have seen being exchanged around my school. If 16 year old kids are trading software everyday, and some of this software is pretty top notch stuff (Windows, Office XP, .NET Server(!) and beyond...) how much is this affecting microsoft anyway? If my school is anything to go by then what is the big wide world like! They cant expect us not to if they charge such outrageous prices for their software and then con us into buying it 3 or four times for every computer in our homes (Windows XP take a bow). Also with software like morpheus, Kazaa and other spawn of Napster can they really expect us to pay for anything? Windows XP is only a day or two's downloading for a 56k modem! Please give me your feelings on this. .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
Jonny Newman wrote: They cant expect us not to if they [] con us into buying it 3 or four times for every computer in our homes (Windows XP take a bow). Er... mate... that has been required, and is required, for just about every piece of commercially distributed software over the past decade or more. You cannot simply buy one copy of some software and install it on multiple machines unless the manufacturer explicitly allows it (some do allow you to place it on a laptop as well as a PC, providing the two are never used simultaneously). If you do so you are guilty of software piracy. Remember, software is a service and not a product like a car or a grapefruit - you are paying for the right to use it for a specified time and within specified limits. Maybe the next time you install some software, it might be worthwhile to actually print out and read the entire EULA. Jonny Newman wrote: Also with software like morpheus, Kazaa and other spawn of Napster can they really expect us to pay for anything? Most of the high priced software you see being distributed through warez channels is worthless without the support and documentation anyway. can they really expect us to pay for anything? Yes. If no one paid for anything then the software would not exist. Do you honestly think even Linux (so called "free" software, even though that is more about freedom than cost) would exist otherwise? When you leave school and get a job, you will realise that all this copying is not necessary as you can afford to buy it. If an application is, say, over $500 USD, then you really need to ask yourself - do I need it? High priced software is aimed at corporations that can afford it, not at home users. ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "I wrote a program in Visual C++ that allows me to send over 5,000 GIGABYTES of Video to every computer and TV Set connected to the Internet in "0" SECONDS (YES! ZERO seconds!)" - Bill SerGio, Professional W*nker
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Good point but subscription would just cause more hassle to the general public. When I wanna buy a peice of software i normally goto my local PC World and fork out the £30 or whatever. I then have one boxed version of the program. Once i have that i have peice of mind that i wont have to spend any more time or money on the licencing or other legalities. Microsoft have however in their money grabbing minds, created the product activation system. I have to hand it to them that it is an impressive bit of coding yet it has caused so much untoward hassle to Joe Bloggs in their homes. No they warn that if you change your motherboard and then re-install windows, they will ring you up asking why! This to me is an utter disgrace. I dont know how many times i had to re-install WinMe or Win98 when i used them and i had no fear of doing so. Now it seems i'm only allowed to re-install WinXP 3 times! This is where Linux and the MacOS shine! I predict a loss in customer faithfullness to microsoft and therefore a loss of business. By the way does anyone have an extimated proce on .NET Standard Server when it comes out. I just want to know whether it will be worth my while bying it legally or swapping a cd with a friend for it! .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
Jonny Newman wrote: Good point but subscription would just cause more hassle to the general public. When I wanna buy a peice of software i normally goto my local PC World and fork out the £30 or whatever. I then have one boxed version of the program. It does depend on the kind of software. A subscription OS is very do-able. A lot of users haven't got a clue where the line between OS and "Computer" begins and ends. All they know is their computer works or doesn't work. Once broadband becomes standard in most households, there is no reason why the OS couldn't be updated by Microsoft via a subscription model. I currently have in my home a Sky Digital Satellite Receiver. Every so often it gets updated software, sometimes I don't even notice until I come across a new feature. It is quiet possible for this to happen on my PC, I pay Microsoft my £150 a year and they update my software with new changes. There is obviously a lot of discussion to be done before this is a reality. For instance, If I stop subscribing does my software still work? In theory it should do as stopping it working is a major step which even Microsoft won't take. Jonny Newman wrote: No they warn that if you change your motherboard and then re-install windows, It takes more than a motherboard change for the product activation to be disabled. Michael :-)
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Just a topic changer... What is everyones views on software piracy? Microsoft cant really expect us not to copy a cd for a mate. (not saying i have) I dont know haw many copied CDs i have seen being exchanged around my school. If 16 year old kids are trading software everyday, and some of this software is pretty top notch stuff (Windows, Office XP, .NET Server(!) and beyond...) how much is this affecting microsoft anyway? If my school is anything to go by then what is the big wide world like! They cant expect us not to if they charge such outrageous prices for their software and then con us into buying it 3 or four times for every computer in our homes (Windows XP take a bow). Also with software like morpheus, Kazaa and other spawn of Napster can they really expect us to pay for anything? Windows XP is only a day or two's downloading for a 56k modem! Please give me your feelings on this. .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
I kind of in between the 2 positions here. I am a 17 year old "kid" who just graduated a few months ago so I am fully aware of the piracy going on in schools etc. and I own quite a collection of microsoft products, which I have never payed for myself (except Windows I guess) - this is because I have not found any product of theirs yet worth it's price (for my needs), there are many companies offering better software for more reasonable prices. I am a Borland fan and I partially use other OS's but I am bound to Windows as well for most of the industry is based upon it. On the other hand, Microsoft products are very good for other people and other uses which are irrelavent to me and my needs. I humbly bow before the inventors of DirectX although I have no idea what went on in their minds when they published Visual C++ and MFC (damn their interface!). I had similar questions not too long ago, yet my recent experience working for some major company clarified everything. Microsoft is not designed for us thinking people, it is designed for stupid people (or at least lazy or uninterested ones) - and the world is filled with this kind (including my brother, it's not personal or anything). They rather pay some idiot to make them a goddamn shortcut on the desktop then LEARN this crap themselves. These are the target audience of Microsoft, them and the large companies with way too much money and the attitude of "let's pay someone who knows what he's doing, it's cheaper than training our employees". They are willing to pay big bucks for the easy way. So if the population contains about 0.003% of people with access and knowledge to pirated software, the rest don't - which is just fine with Microsoft. Notice that these 0.003% later in their life program for Windows with their unpayed-for-development-kits, releasing their projects for free and thus increasing the worth of Windows which now supports yet another great tool... Other companies and operatinng systems don't offer the same flexability. Windowd is the only system yet to detect my 3rd-world-made-modem so quickly and painlessly. Windows is a simple friendly graphic system for those of us who DON'T want to know every detail, it's the 'For Dummies' operating system. And while I'm very frustrated at times pondering of the lost days of DOS, mostly I like the simplicity of just double-clicking. In the past I used to hate the blue screen of death, used to get upset every time it showed it's ugly pixels. Today I learned to accept it, embrace it as yet another
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Just a topic changer... What is everyones views on software piracy? Microsoft cant really expect us not to copy a cd for a mate. (not saying i have) I dont know haw many copied CDs i have seen being exchanged around my school. If 16 year old kids are trading software everyday, and some of this software is pretty top notch stuff (Windows, Office XP, .NET Server(!) and beyond...) how much is this affecting microsoft anyway? If my school is anything to go by then what is the big wide world like! They cant expect us not to if they charge such outrageous prices for their software and then con us into buying it 3 or four times for every computer in our homes (Windows XP take a bow). Also with software like morpheus, Kazaa and other spawn of Napster can they really expect us to pay for anything? Windows XP is only a day or two's downloading for a 56k modem! Please give me your feelings on this. .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
Piracy is morally valid for 3rd world country programmers. Without piracy India will lose 99% of its programmers who use pirated software. The problem is India is so poor a country that to legally buy Windows 2000, Visual Studio and Office 2000, a normal software engineer would need 3 years of his salary. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Piracy is morally valid for 3rd world country programmers. Without piracy India will lose 99% of its programmers who use pirated software. The problem is India is so poor a country that to legally buy Windows 2000, Visual Studio and Office 2000, a normal software engineer would need 3 years of his salary. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Piracy is morally valid for 3rd world country programmers Is it? Piracy is still theft, so saying Piracy is morally valid for poor countries is the same as saying that if you can't afford something then you have the right to steal it. Microsoft wants people to buy it's software and services. To do this it needs as many people creating products for (and with) these tools and software as possible, so is it in MS's interest to give away (or at a highly discounted rate) copies of it's SW to poor nations? cheers, Chris Maunder
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Piracy is morally valid for 3rd world country programmers Is it? Piracy is still theft, so saying Piracy is morally valid for poor countries is the same as saying that if you can't afford something then you have the right to steal it. Microsoft wants people to buy it's software and services. To do this it needs as many people creating products for (and with) these tools and software as possible, so is it in MS's interest to give away (or at a highly discounted rate) copies of it's SW to poor nations? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Piracy actually helps Microsoft. Students and just-out-of-college programmers use pirated software to become quite good at using tools like VB and VC++ so that finally we have a very good percentage of quality programmers. Thus when companies recruit people they have a solid base to choose from. And of course companies use only legal software. Thus because of this piracy in homes, Microsoft benefits because more people get software jobs at places using MS development tools and thus MS gets more purchases through them Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Chris Piracy actually helps Microsoft. Students and just-out-of-college programmers use pirated software to become quite good at using tools like VB and VC++ so that finally we have a very good percentage of quality programmers. Thus when companies recruit people they have a solid base to choose from. And of course companies use only legal software. Thus because of this piracy in homes, Microsoft benefits because more people get software jobs at places using MS development tools and thus MS gets more purchases through them Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
I totally agree here. MS should release a version of VC++ for students that ok has less advanced features but still allows us to develop using a decent builder/compiler Studio. Plus MS are losing a lot of money through the outrageous price of Visual Studio. Who wants to buy a $1500 dollar suite when you can buy borlands compiler for a fraction of the price. The only reason VC++ is used really is the fact that it is so quick to develop on it. There are no command line tools to use every time you want to build the exe and it gives thourough help when doing so. If VC++ was only £40-60 hell even my mum would start programming for windows. Microsoft should see this potential goldmine and exploit it (with the benefit going to both we the programmers and them AS programmers.) .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
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Piracy is morally valid for 3rd world country programmers. Without piracy India will lose 99% of its programmers who use pirated software. The problem is India is so poor a country that to legally buy Windows 2000, Visual Studio and Office 2000, a normal software engineer would need 3 years of his salary. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
This is similar to the VCD and pirated DVD situation. VideoCDs ok are crap quality compared to DVD yet they are excellent to the Malasian/Indian population because of their price. Here in britain a single DVD movie is in the regions of £15-£20 which i think is disgracefull on the behalf of those pricks in the EU government. In the USA you guys pay like the equivalent of £7 - £9 per movie which is a decent price. So why cant I import a region one DVD for £10 then rip it to MPEG-1 and burn to a vcd which will play on all my mates DVD players at VCD quality. I dont see the problem. By they way, on a legal basis, is buying a Region 1 DVD legally and playing it on a chipped multiregion DVD player here in the UK legal? .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
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This is similar to the VCD and pirated DVD situation. VideoCDs ok are crap quality compared to DVD yet they are excellent to the Malasian/Indian population because of their price. Here in britain a single DVD movie is in the regions of £15-£20 which i think is disgracefull on the behalf of those pricks in the EU government. In the USA you guys pay like the equivalent of £7 - £9 per movie which is a decent price. So why cant I import a region one DVD for £10 then rip it to MPEG-1 and burn to a vcd which will play on all my mates DVD players at VCD quality. I dont see the problem. By they way, on a legal basis, is buying a Region 1 DVD legally and playing it on a chipped multiregion DVD player here in the UK legal? .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
In India DVD drives are a rarity. I've never even seen one. So forget DVD movies. But we have lots and lots of CD-movies in CD-rental shops. They charge Rs 20 per movie per day [that'll be less than US$ 0.5] Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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I totally agree here. MS should release a version of VC++ for students that ok has less advanced features but still allows us to develop using a decent builder/compiler Studio. Plus MS are losing a lot of money through the outrageous price of Visual Studio. Who wants to buy a $1500 dollar suite when you can buy borlands compiler for a fraction of the price. The only reason VC++ is used really is the fact that it is so quick to develop on it. There are no command line tools to use every time you want to build the exe and it gives thourough help when doing so. If VC++ was only £40-60 hell even my mum would start programming for windows. Microsoft should see this potential goldmine and exploit it (with the benefit going to both we the programmers and them AS programmers.) .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
Jonny Newman wrote: MS should release a version of VC++ for students I thought that there already was a cheaper standard edition that had less features. Also aren't students entitled to large discounts anyway. A quick look at ProgrammersParadise.com shows a standard edition for $95.99 and a professional edition for $488.99 - well within the price range of anybody who is serious about being a developer. Jonny Newman wrote: Plus MS are losing a lot of money through the outrageous price of Visual Studio When you look at the software that you get in Visual Studio, you'll find the price is very cheap. Michael :-)
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Jonny Newman wrote: MS should release a version of VC++ for students I thought that there already was a cheaper standard edition that had less features. Also aren't students entitled to large discounts anyway. A quick look at ProgrammersParadise.com shows a standard edition for $95.99 and a professional edition for $488.99 - well within the price range of anybody who is serious about being a developer. Jonny Newman wrote: Plus MS are losing a lot of money through the outrageous price of Visual Studio When you look at the software that you get in Visual Studio, you'll find the price is very cheap. Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: When you look at the software that you get in Visual Studio, you'll find the price is very cheap I dont know about that Michael. You are from UK right. Well I dont know about normal UK salaries but I assume that a decent software engineer gets at least UK currency 6000 per month. That will be Indian Rs. 450,000/ which will be more than 3 years of my current pay. I think the MSDN universal subscription costs US$3000 which will be more than an year's salary for me. So Indians have to be pirates I am not saying that it's a nice thing. But as long as I am not killing someone or I am not poisoning bill gates or I am causing him undue financial trouble, I simply dont see why I should not buy a pirated MSDN CD for Rs 600 from some chinese CD smuggler Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Michael P Butler wrote: When you look at the software that you get in Visual Studio, you'll find the price is very cheap I dont know about that Michael. You are from UK right. Well I dont know about normal UK salaries but I assume that a decent software engineer gets at least UK currency 6000 per month. That will be Indian Rs. 450,000/ which will be more than 3 years of my current pay. I think the MSDN universal subscription costs US$3000 which will be more than an year's salary for me. So Indians have to be pirates I am not saying that it's a nice thing. But as long as I am not killing someone or I am not poisoning bill gates or I am causing him undue financial trouble, I simply dont see why I should not buy a pirated MSDN CD for Rs 600 from some chinese CD smuggler Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I dont know about that Michael. You are from UK right. I am Uk based. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Well I dont know about normal UK salaries but I assume that a decent software engineer gets at least UK currency 6000 per month. That will be Indian Rs. 450,000/ which will be more than 3 years of my current pay. Hmm. I've never earned £6000 a month. The best I've done is £3000 before tax. My last MSDN subscription cost me £1800. Even though it feels a lot, I know for everything I get it is worth the money. As a software developer, I'd be pissed off with people pirating my stuff so I avoid pirate copies of software. Obviously India is a different kettle of fish to the UK. I can't condone the piracy but I can understand it. In your place, I would probably be doing the same. Michael :-)
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In India DVD drives are a rarity. I've never even seen one. So forget DVD movies. But we have lots and lots of CD-movies in CD-rental shops. They charge Rs 20 per movie per day [that'll be less than US$ 0.5] Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
I actually imported a malasian VCD of Unbreakable for £9 for a legitimate UK website. I think its a great alternative to DVD for a budget movie fan or someone from a dvd-less country. Plus the fact that anyone can make their own VCD movies using a standard CD-R rather than having to for out £1000 on a dvd recorder or a DVD-RAM. One thing i would like to see is the price of dvds in the UK coming down to VHS prices. The discs cant cost that much if a CDR is only 40p. and if they can be mass produced then they would only7 cost about £3 per disc to manufacture. Then double that for the intermediates and youve got about £6 as a see it, not £20 as they are over here. Why are DVDs so goddam expensive here! can someone tell me that! .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
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I actually imported a malasian VCD of Unbreakable for £9 for a legitimate UK website. I think its a great alternative to DVD for a budget movie fan or someone from a dvd-less country. Plus the fact that anyone can make their own VCD movies using a standard CD-R rather than having to for out £1000 on a dvd recorder or a DVD-RAM. One thing i would like to see is the price of dvds in the UK coming down to VHS prices. The discs cant cost that much if a CDR is only 40p. and if they can be mass produced then they would only7 cost about £3 per disc to manufacture. Then double that for the intermediates and youve got about £6 as a see it, not £20 as they are over here. Why are DVDs so goddam expensive here! can someone tell me that! .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
Jonny Newman wrote: Why are DVDs so goddam expensive here! can someone tell me that! Presumably because there are so few DVD users out in the UK. When the user-count improves, the prices will come down... Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Jonny Newman wrote: Why are DVDs so goddam expensive here! can someone tell me that! Presumably because there are so few DVD users out in the UK. When the user-count improves, the prices will come down... Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Jonny Newman wrote: Why are DVDs so goddam expensive here! can someone tell me that! Presumably because there are so few DVD users out in the UK. When the user-count improves, the prices will come down... I'm not holding my breath, since it looks very much like the file companies are doing with DVD what the record companies did with CD when it was first released...market pricing. CDs really started to become mass market in the UK in 1985. At the time, LPs were around £6 each...and most CDs were £12 or so (they're about £14-£16 now). Most VHS videos here retail for between £10 and £12...so guess what? DVDs are £18-£22. If the film companies thought they would sell at £30, that's the price they'd be (and don't get me started on the whole regioning thing, or I promise the air will turn blue). :mad: I try to shop around, but there's only so much you can do. Sometimes capitalism truly sucks...:(( Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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Michael P Butler wrote: When you look at the software that you get in Visual Studio, you'll find the price is very cheap I dont know about that Michael. You are from UK right. Well I dont know about normal UK salaries but I assume that a decent software engineer gets at least UK currency 6000 per month. That will be Indian Rs. 450,000/ which will be more than 3 years of my current pay. I think the MSDN universal subscription costs US$3000 which will be more than an year's salary for me. So Indians have to be pirates I am not saying that it's a nice thing. But as long as I am not killing someone or I am not poisoning bill gates or I am causing him undue financial trouble, I simply dont see why I should not buy a pirated MSDN CD for Rs 600 from some chinese CD smuggler Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: but I assume that a decent software engineer gets at least UK currency 6000 per month If wishes were horses.... Thats a *very* big assumption (£72000 a year before tax). When I started at my current post (8 years ago), I started as a graduate with 3 years experience (some before I went to university), I was on £12000 a year. Thats 1/6th what you estimate. Although my lot has improved somewhat since then (I can't give yo the exact total - company politics, suffice to say its not even close to 50% of what you suggest). I don't know what taxes are like in india, but we lose 1/3 automatically through tax and national insurance contributions etc. I stick with my current job because of: 1. Its technically challenging 2. I am always learning. 3. Its not just software, I get to play with chemistry and new hardware. 4. I enjoy my work. 5. We play games on the LAN. :-D 6. I get reasonably well rewarded for my efforts. 7. A get a PC upgrade about once a year (currently using an 800Mhz system - other developers here are using 1.6 GHz systems) It would be good if we could all get paid what were worth. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016
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Jonny Newman wrote: Why are DVDs so goddam expensive here! can someone tell me that! Presumably because there are so few DVD users out in the UK. When the user-count improves, the prices will come down... Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
DVD players and movies are in abundance in the UK. There are loads of DVD enabled households in the UK now. almost every new PC bought has a DVD drive. Probably not as much as the US because there even your dog will have a PC of their own. .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
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DVD players and movies are in abundance in the UK. There are loads of DVD enabled households in the UK now. almost every new PC bought has a DVD drive. Probably not as much as the US because there even your dog will have a PC of their own. .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......
Thank you for replying to this thread. It was my first and i was suprised to see such a large number of replies! Keep em coming! .NET or not .NET? MFC is the question......