moving to linux is so easy!
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Linux is getting much closer to a Windows replacement. There are still a few things you have to do without though. They do not have some applications such as Quicken or Photoshop. While you might find close products, they are not replacements yet. DRM for online content is another area. I do not see hollywood trusting Linux for quite some time. From what I hear, ellipse is suppose to be picking up in the development world. Now that they have Mono, development of Linux apps has got a big boost. This winter I plan to build my first Linux app (beyond a C++ CGI module ;) ). They are heading in the right direction, but will always be behind. Once Longhorn hits the shelves it will probably be a year or two before it is cloned for Linux. Maybe though, a bunch of developers will get ambitious and it will come to light sooner. As for the general public or typical office environments, the current Office clones would be plenty. Many of the general public in today's world could probably live quite happily with Linux. Of course, that does not apply if you want the mainline Windows software that does not have a clone on Linux yet. It is getting close though. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - Now with RSS Feed www.JokesTricksAndStuff.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - Now with RSS Feed and Prizes www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com - Again :) Me Blog
I do Solaris & Linux development (all in C++) at work, along with Windows MFC & ATL stuff. Pretty much been working on Solaris & Linux for the past 3 months (all daemon work), with maybe a week on Windows - I miss it. Saying that it makes a nice change, and gives me a chance to see what all the Unix bods are on about.
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Linux is getting much closer to a Windows replacement. There are still a few things you have to do without though. They do not have some applications such as Quicken or Photoshop. While you might find close products, they are not replacements yet. DRM for online content is another area. I do not see hollywood trusting Linux for quite some time. From what I hear, ellipse is suppose to be picking up in the development world. Now that they have Mono, development of Linux apps has got a big boost. This winter I plan to build my first Linux app (beyond a C++ CGI module ;) ). They are heading in the right direction, but will always be behind. Once Longhorn hits the shelves it will probably be a year or two before it is cloned for Linux. Maybe though, a bunch of developers will get ambitious and it will come to light sooner. As for the general public or typical office environments, the current Office clones would be plenty. Many of the general public in today's world could probably live quite happily with Linux. Of course, that does not apply if you want the mainline Windows software that does not have a clone on Linux yet. It is getting close though. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - Now with RSS Feed www.JokesTricksAndStuff.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - Now with RSS Feed and Prizes www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com - Again :) Me Blog
Rocky Moore wrote: Once Longhorn hits the shelves it will probably be a year or two before it is cloned for Linux. Therein lies problem, no? Seems like they are continuously trying to catch up to windows. You don't sway people by being as good as. With all the talent working in the "free-world", I would have thought they'd come up with something to blow our socks off by now. If nothing else, but to prove their point of being better. I'm saying this without having touched a Linux box in 3 years. So it's all just my perception. BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
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Linux is getting much closer to a Windows replacement. There are still a few things you have to do without though. They do not have some applications such as Quicken or Photoshop. While you might find close products, they are not replacements yet. DRM for online content is another area. I do not see hollywood trusting Linux for quite some time. From what I hear, ellipse is suppose to be picking up in the development world. Now that they have Mono, development of Linux apps has got a big boost. This winter I plan to build my first Linux app (beyond a C++ CGI module ;) ). They are heading in the right direction, but will always be behind. Once Longhorn hits the shelves it will probably be a year or two before it is cloned for Linux. Maybe though, a bunch of developers will get ambitious and it will come to light sooner. As for the general public or typical office environments, the current Office clones would be plenty. Many of the general public in today's world could probably live quite happily with Linux. Of course, that does not apply if you want the mainline Windows software that does not have a clone on Linux yet. It is getting close though. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - Now with RSS Feed www.JokesTricksAndStuff.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - Now with RSS Feed and Prizes www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com - Again :) Me Blog
Rocky Moore wrote: Linux is getting much closer to a Windows replacement. There are still a few things you have to do without though. They do not have some applications such as Quicken or Photoshop. While you might find close products, they are not replacements yet. DRM for online content is another area. I do not see hollywood trusting Linux for quite some time. Another point to consider is the ENORMOUS POWER of research and development in Microsoft. Only to mention some examples: Avalon, Indigo, WinFS, etc, etc. A lot people can think are just appeals of a good marketing but it is not true. Indigo, it should break valid paradigms for many years. A true revolution (leaning in OS, integrated in fact). highest, I am fan of Linux, use home, in projects (eventual) but to accompany the redmond guys is very complicated, it is to be always a step behind. (that is only a opinion) Marcelo Palladino
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Today I heard conversation between my friend and anonymous linux user. My friend was going to try linux, and asked if he need to read some books or just learn by using. Respone made my laught: [edit] LinuxUser:"I suppose you to read project documentation. It's about 1000 pages" MyFriend: :wtf: "And you've read it all?" LU: "yes, many times!" [/edit] :-D:-D BillyG, let no penguin come too close to my HDD! amen i am not sure if this is not soapbox, bt at least it's kid-sister safe. maybe not lauren-safe anyway;) Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
I have a dual-boot machine running slackware (most unix like flavor of linux) and good old XP. Did i read 1k of manuals, no, i stuck in some cd's and went "hands-on". If you are going to insult something, may i suggest knowing something about it first. This way your opinion may count for more than..... well nothing. On top of that if you do not like to read, get out the IT biz, cause i cannot go one day without better informing myself about the tools and products i use. And on the plus side, reading will help your writing, cause its not worth much either. Linux is not that hard to use, and it can be a little more flexible at times than MS. If you really knew what you were doing, you would know "theres a tool for everything", you use what you need when you need it. I beleive this to be true to every tool i see cept VB (sry guys i cant do it ;P ) Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote: That means you haven't read it? You mean ME?? Of course not! The problem is you need to read 1k+ pages of manual to be able to use OS... that is ... strange Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
dnh wrote: The problem is you need to read 1k+ pages of manual to be able to use OS Since when? Installing a recent Linux distro is simple, and using the OS when you have a GUI like KDE 3 is simple. If you want to start really getting into configuring the OS then yes, there is a steep learning curve, but if you can use Windows, then with a little playing around and experimenting (i.e. don't use linux if you are new to it and you can't afford to lose a day or two due to a reinstall is you change the wrong value in a config file somewhere). The one thing I have found is that linux is slightly more complicated to troubleshoot.. but I feel that the only reason for this is that the the config for certain items isn't in the same place from one distro to another.. whih is just plain annoying. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Reading: Code Complete 2ed[^] by Steve McConnell
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I have a dual-boot machine running slackware (most unix like flavor of linux) and good old XP. Did i read 1k of manuals, no, i stuck in some cd's and went "hands-on". If you are going to insult something, may i suggest knowing something about it first. This way your opinion may count for more than..... well nothing. On top of that if you do not like to read, get out the IT biz, cause i cannot go one day without better informing myself about the tools and products i use. And on the plus side, reading will help your writing, cause its not worth much either. Linux is not that hard to use, and it can be a little more flexible at times than MS. If you really knew what you were doing, you would know "theres a tool for everything", you use what you need when you need it. I beleive this to be true to every tool i see cept VB (sry guys i cant do it ;P ) Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
JimRivera wrote: If you are going to insult something, may i suggest knowing something about it first Oh, am I insulting linux by quoting linux user's advice? I swear it's not something taken out of context... I see, maybe I didn't place "s right... I 'll fix it, ok? JimRivera wrote: On top of that if you do not like to read, get out the IT biz, hmm I really prefer pictures more then words, bt that's not the case ;) I do read (at least) MSDN and CP quite a lot. I totally agree that everybody should keep informing himself. The point why I see this funny ( or stupid, depends on point of view) is, that UI should must be intuitive, and help should be built-in into software so it's fully self-explanatory. I don't say Windows are this case! Bt there is no need to read huge docs... Remember, that it was linux user, not me, who pointed out this need. Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Rocky Moore wrote: Linux is getting much closer to a Windows replacement. There are still a few things you have to do without though. They do not have some applications such as Quicken or Photoshop. While you might find close products, they are not replacements yet. DRM for online content is another area. I do not see hollywood trusting Linux for quite some time. Another point to consider is the ENORMOUS POWER of research and development in Microsoft. Only to mention some examples: Avalon, Indigo, WinFS, etc, etc. A lot people can think are just appeals of a good marketing but it is not true. Indigo, it should break valid paradigms for many years. A true revolution (leaning in OS, integrated in fact). highest, I am fan of Linux, use home, in projects (eventual) but to accompany the redmond guys is very complicated, it is to be always a step behind. (that is only a opinion) Marcelo Palladino
You are overlooking the ENORMOUSE POWER of reserach and development in companies like IBM (which last I checked was many times Microsoft's size), which support linux. There are many smart people working on linux/open source. Microsoft has been working on winFS for years. I recall it origionally being targeted for win2000. Maybe even NT 4.0. Maybe it will go someplace, maybe it will not, but the fact is it hasn't. Course not everything open source works on works out either. Some things come back latter, some do not.
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dnh wrote: The problem is you need to read 1k+ pages of manual to be able to use OS Since when? Installing a recent Linux distro is simple, and using the OS when you have a GUI like KDE 3 is simple. If you want to start really getting into configuring the OS then yes, there is a steep learning curve, but if you can use Windows, then with a little playing around and experimenting (i.e. don't use linux if you are new to it and you can't afford to lose a day or two due to a reinstall is you change the wrong value in a config file somewhere). The one thing I have found is that linux is slightly more complicated to troubleshoot.. but I feel that the only reason for this is that the the config for certain items isn't in the same place from one distro to another.. whih is just plain annoying. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Reading: Code Complete 2ed[^] by Steve McConnell
Bloginghi Brian, Brian Delahunty wrote: Since when? dunno, ask that LU (see edited original post)... You know, my intend wasn't to make a flame post. It would be quite freaky way how to celebrate my 1st CP anniversary, btw ;) David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Rocky Moore wrote: Once Longhorn hits the shelves it will probably be a year or two before it is cloned for Linux. Therein lies problem, no? Seems like they are continuously trying to catch up to windows. You don't sway people by being as good as. With all the talent working in the "free-world", I would have thought they'd come up with something to blow our socks off by now. If nothing else, but to prove their point of being better. I'm saying this without having touched a Linux box in 3 years. So it's all just my perception. BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
-The StovesYeah, I agree with that. We have waited for years for Microsoft to put out something new and it would be funny if Linux could trump them before they release Longhorn :) Actually, Linux should have been more like OS-X years ago. But back then the focus was mostly servers and the Linux world mostly thumbed their nose to the desktop. There mantra was "everything should work in text, graphics are there for the lazy, and everyone should be able to read the man pages and find out all they need to know"!. Noticed you mention you have not touchs a Linux box for three years. You might want to try a recent copy. They have come a long ways even in the three year timespan. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - Now with RSS Feed www.JokesTricksAndStuff.com www.MyQuickPoll.com - Now with RSS Feed and Prizes www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com - Again :) Me Blog
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uh.. what's wrong? I don't get it, really :-O Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
Prolly nothing. :) It's just that when someone only says "whatever", I find it kind of rude. -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
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You are overlooking the ENORMOUSE POWER of reserach and development in companies like IBM (which last I checked was many times Microsoft's size), which support linux. There are many smart people working on linux/open source. Microsoft has been working on winFS for years. I recall it origionally being targeted for win2000. Maybe even NT 4.0. Maybe it will go someplace, maybe it will not, but the fact is it hasn't. Course not everything open source works on works out either. Some things come back latter, some do not.
Henry miller wrote: There are many smart people working on linux/open source. If this was a soapbox, I would say it's an oxymoron Bt it is not, so I shut up. Plz don't think about me I that I am retarded ignorant who loves everything from MS and hates everything else. Actually, I am gonna celebrate Firefox 1.0 tomorrow... What my post was about, is that linux's UI/API/whatever is appereantly a reason to smile and kiss my WinXP CD. Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Prolly nothing. :) It's just that when someone only says "whatever", I find it kind of rude. -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
hi Jörgen, :) you know, when somebody ask me if I can handle something, it's like he's saying that he doubt I can... I find it kinda challenging... my "whatever" was part rude (sorry) and (bigger) part it was answer to your question. (I can handle) whatever ;) David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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hi Brian, Brian Delahunty wrote: Since when? dunno, ask that LU (see edited original post)... You know, my intend wasn't to make a flame post. It would be quite freaky way how to celebrate my 1st CP anniversary, btw ;) David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
hehe. Sorry. if it seemed like I was flaming you, sorry. I didn't mean too. :-D Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Reading: Code Complete 2ed[^] by Steve McConnell
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hehe. Sorry. if it seemed like I was flaming you, sorry. I didn't mean too. :-D Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Reading: Code Complete 2ed[^] by Steve McConnell
Bloginghi Brian, that's ok. I quoted linux user, cuz I think it's funny what he said. And suddenly all people try to show that I am wrong... I can't be... I quoted him as exactly as I can, and I made my (personal and subjective) statement about pinguin on my HDD ;) Both is true - he said what he said and I am not gonna install linux on my machine. If I wanted to discuss to linux ot not to linux, I'd post it to soapbox. Well, only one person reacted exactly how I expected. You wasn't flaming me, bt I felt like it would happen if thread contined... take it easy Brian :) David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Henry miller wrote: There are many smart people working on linux/open source. If this was a soapbox, I would say it's an oxymoron Bt it is not, so I shut up. Plz don't think about me I that I am retarded ignorant who loves everything from MS and hates everything else. Actually, I am gonna celebrate Firefox 1.0 tomorrow... What my post was about, is that linux's UI/API/whatever is appereantly a reason to smile and kiss my WinXP CD. Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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dnh wrote: What my post was about, is that linux's UI/API/whatever is appereantly a reason to smile and kiss my WinXP CD. Man, I don't get to sleep more after imagining you kissing a WinXP CD. :-D:-D:-D Marcelo Palladino
:-O:-D Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)