Where will it end?
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Damn the stupidity of the principal is just mind boggling. I'd be curious how representative of CA this is? Are most people there that goofy, or is the principal just a freak (albeit with power)? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
Jim Crafton wrote: Are most people there that goofy Yes Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Revolution doesn't begin in the courts. :) But seriously, it seems like we have to plug the leak before the hole gets much bigger. The left has incrementally taken away so much of the ideals that this country was founded on...it has to stop somewhere. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Seriously, as a strong proponent of the concept of state's rights, I would defend any local community's right to refuse to teach the content of the declaration of independence just as I would also defend another community's right to teach creationism - even though I disagree with both points of view and would vote against either extreme in my own local community.
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It appears that a PRC school has banned the Declaration of Independence[^] from the classroom. A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
I saw this on Drudge, too. I wondered what the real story was, because the headline is written to inflame the religious people. (Look at those evil, secular lefties they are taking away everything we believe and indoctrinating our children!) I had to wonder if the teacher was using it as a jumping off point to a religious discussion or some other sneaky way to get religion into the classroom. On drudge, I clicked on the link to "Patricia Vidmar, Principal..."[^] hoping to get the principle's side of the story. No luck. All drudge did was provide an archived link to the principle's email address and phone. This was really low. The principle should respond, but now she is going to be flooded with email and phone calls. She should not have to respond to the public on an individual basis. The fact that it was an archived link means the school cannot change the page to remove the phone/email information and provide more information, which makes it even worse. I say shame on drudge! The quote from the smoking gun: "Williams alleges that Vidmar cracked down on his lesson plans in May, shortly after he distributed an example of a presidential proclamation. The document he chose was one issued by President George W. Bush dealing with a National Day of Prayer." I'm a bit surprised that the teacher would choose to bring in a document on the "National Day of Prayer", since it doesn't seem very high up on the "pertenance" meter. I'm guessing the teacher was bringing it in for the purpose of using it as a jumping off point to other religious discussions. Who knows, but some of the actions do seem a bit suspect if the sole motive is to teach kids about history. No, I'm not saying that teachers can't discuss these things. I'm saying that Williams may have a history of trying to wiggle religion into the classroom for the purpose of taking about religion. Then the news agencies will shrink it to a soundbite "DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE BANNED AT CALIF. SCHOOL!" ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
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That's pretty idiotic. However the quotes from both sides in that article are typical religious nutter speak (it boils down to "everyone who's not in my religion is against me!!!"). Of course, what some of the red states are doing is much, much worse - renaming "creationism" to "intelligent design" to try and hide the fact that it's creationism. Then forcing "intelligent design" to be taught in schools while also banning the teaching of evolution. So much for freedom of ideas and expression (then again, religions aren't big on that to begin with). See today's You Are Dumb Dot Net[^] post (Nov 24) for more. --Mike-- LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ | You Are Dumb
Michael Dunn wrote: See today's You Are Dumb Dot Net[^] post (Nov 24) for more. Hey Mike, I had thought you were more intelligent than to believe tripe like the stuff posted on that web site. I read the first paragraph, and came to the conclusion that the site has absolutely nothing constructive to say when it said "creationists" believe black people are only slightly better than monkeys. I am sure you could find some KKK member who is also a creationist and say all creationists are KKK members. It is that kind of rhetoric that leads to people believing that jews control the world, that americans are protectionist, war-mongering, right-wing nut jobs, etc. To refer people to that site in order to become informed on the evolution/creation issue is like sending people to a neo-nazi site to be come informed on race relations. I had thought better of you, but am dissappointed as usual.
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It appears that a PRC school has banned the Declaration of Independence[^] from the classroom. A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
now wait just one cotton-picking minute. Gary Kirkham wrote: It appears that a PRC school has banned the Declaration of Independence[^] from the classroom. hyperbole: [^]A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton. the principal stopped a specific teacher from trying to convince his students that this is a Christian Nation. nobody banned the f'in Declaration of Independence. Software | Cleek
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Damn the stupidity of the principal is just mind boggling. I'd be curious how representative of CA this is? Are most people there that goofy, or is the principal just a freak (albeit with power)? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned
Jim Crafton wrote: Damn the stupidity of the principal is just mind boggling. I'd be curious how representative of CA this is? Are most people there that goofy, or is the principal just a freak (albeit with power)? Sadly, this is more common from both sides of the fence than most people realize.
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now wait just one cotton-picking minute. Gary Kirkham wrote: It appears that a PRC school has banned the Declaration of Independence[^] from the classroom. hyperbole: [^]A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton. the principal stopped a specific teacher from trying to convince his students that this is a Christian Nation. nobody banned the f'in Declaration of Independence. Software | Cleek
Hi perb a what? I was relaying what the article said. Headline Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School quotes from article A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence. Among the materials she has rejected, according to Williams, are excerpts from the Declaration of Independence, George Washington's journal, John Adams' diary, Samuel Adams' "The Rights of the Colonists" and William Penn's "The Frame of Government of Pennsylvania." If the teacher has been banned from studying the Declaration of Independence, then I have a problem with it. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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now wait just one cotton-picking minute. Gary Kirkham wrote: It appears that a PRC school has banned the Declaration of Independence[^] from the classroom. hyperbole: [^]A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton. the principal stopped a specific teacher from trying to convince his students that this is a Christian Nation. nobody banned the f'in Declaration of Independence. Software | Cleek
Actually, some time back when people were stopped in the streets and asked to comment on quotes from the Declaration of Independence, most thought it was a Communist document. So right-wingers ought to be happy that this Commie propaganda is not being fed to young impressionable minds! ;P PS. Of course, remember that the average US citizen was able to identify Mr. Clean 80% of the time compared to measly figure in the teens for some Vice President, so we are not talking about the brightest bulbs in the Christmas tree here. :laugh:
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Hi perb a what? I was relaying what the article said. Headline Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School quotes from article A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence. Among the materials she has rejected, according to Williams, are excerpts from the Declaration of Independence, George Washington's journal, John Adams' diary, Samuel Adams' "The Rights of the Colonists" and William Penn's "The Frame of Government of Pennsylvania." If the teacher has been banned from studying the Declaration of Independence, then I have a problem with it. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote: If the teacher has been banned from studying the Declaration of Independence, then I have a problem with it. you know perfectly well that the teacher was not banned from teaching the Declaration per se, but rather he was forbidden from using parts of it and other documents (listed in this and other articles about the incident) as a way to teach a curriculum that the principal and some parents disagree with, and that was tangential to the Declaration itself. your appeal to idealism is, IMO, disingenuous, and your initial statement is hyperbole. Software | Cleek
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now wait just one cotton-picking minute. Gary Kirkham wrote: It appears that a PRC school has banned the Declaration of Independence[^] from the classroom. hyperbole: [^]A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton. the principal stopped a specific teacher from trying to convince his students that this is a Christian Nation. nobody banned the f'in Declaration of Independence. Software | Cleek
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Seriously, as a strong proponent of the concept of state's rights, I would defend any local community's right to refuse to teach the content of the declaration of independence just as I would also defend another community's right to teach creationism - even though I disagree with both points of view and would vote against either extreme in my own local community.
I gave you a five to even it out, i feel what you said was very objective. We should have the right to vote on anything, even if we do not approve of it. That would be the very reason why we vote, wouldn't it? Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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And the Mayflower Compact was a communist manifesto. ed The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Ed K wrote: And the Mayflower Compact was a communist manifesto. That is true. Which is why the pilgrams struggled until they abandoned the original compact and instituted private ownership of property.
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It appears that a PRC school has banned the Declaration of Independence[^] from the classroom. A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Michael Dunn wrote: See today's You Are Dumb Dot Net[^] post (Nov 24) for more. Gee, with such tolerant perspectives on the most sacred traditions of this country (from the very same people who preach unlimited tolerance towards Islam) one wonders why the Christian community would feel so paranoid and defensive ... :rolleyes:
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It appears that a PRC school has banned the Declaration of Independence[^] from the classroom. A California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Jim Crafton wrote: Are most people there that goofy Yes Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Subtle and to the point. :rolleyes:
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Ed K wrote: And the Mayflower Compact was a communist manifesto. That is true. Which is why the pilgrams struggled until they abandoned the original compact and instituted private ownership of property.
Which brings us to the real meaning of Thanksgiving! Stan Shannon wrote: they abandoned the original compact Bradford allowed the people to own their own land and do the best they could. Next thing you know they have an abundance. Hence the original Thanksgiving...the free market and capitolism...and thanking God! The original proclomation from George Washington: Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor -- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness." Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be -- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks -- for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation -- for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the tranquility [sic], union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed -- for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted -- for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us. And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions -- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually -- to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed -- to protect and guide all
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As a libertarian I oppose any kind of suppression of written material. This is PC revisionism at it's worst.
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