US 'alienating' world's Muslims
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At least the Pentagon is looking at this. The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: At least the Pentagon is looking at this. Oh, happy day. Say, have you picked out your burka yet? Better hurry before the rush.
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And what is wrong with the American Way??? If it's so terrible why don't many of the people living in the muslim world give up Nike or Chevrolet or eating our food or taking our money. What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you happy living under the thumb of a brutal dictatorship? Being repressed and constantly told what to do, wear, think? If you really want to be left alone do the following: Renounce all terrorist activity. Renounce the perceived feeling that its Mulim or dead (for the whole world) Make peace with Israel - they are not going to give in. Ever. Free your own people. Free your women. What, are you scared of them??? Rant over. Don't feel any better, tho, just sadder...
on both sides, obviously.
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on both sides, obviously.
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenJust out of curiosity, what should our reaction to their arrogance be? Humility? Introspection? If we have any faith in our own values at all, why wouldn't a little arrogance own our part be in order.
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And what is wrong with the American Way??? If it's so terrible why don't many of the people living in the muslim world give up Nike or Chevrolet or eating our food or taking our money. What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you happy living under the thumb of a brutal dictatorship? Being repressed and constantly told what to do, wear, think? If you really want to be left alone do the following: Renounce all terrorist activity. Renounce the perceived feeling that its Mulim or dead (for the whole world) Make peace with Israel - they are not going to give in. Ever. Free your own people. Free your women. What, are you scared of them??? Rant over. Don't feel any better, tho, just sadder...
Democracy Rules wrote: If you really want to be left alone do the following: Renounce all terrorist activity. Renounce the perceived feeling that its Mulim or dead (for the whole world) Make peace with Israel - they are not going to give in. Ever. Free your own people. Free your women. What, are you scared of them??? So "left alone" means you have to do what I say first? Here is a list of preconditions of being left alone for the Americans: Don't invade other countries for bogus reasons. Renounce the perceived feelings that if you are not with us you are terrorists. Treat all people equally, not just American citizens. Stop selling weapons all over the world. Avoid telling others what to do.
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US 'alienating' world's Muslims The US is losing "the war of ideas" in the Islamic world, a Pentagon advisory panel has warned. A report by the Defence Science Board says official US talk of bringing democracy to Muslim nations is seen as "self-serving hypocrisy". It says if the US wants Muslims to move towards its understanding of tolerance, it must reassure them this does not mean submitting to "the American way". The report urges Washington to change its approach urgently. I wonder what Bush and neocons will derive off of this. Please post your thoughts
Anonymous Friend wrote: The US is losing "the war of ideas" in the Islamic world, a Pentagon advisory panel has warned. A report by the Defence Science Board says official US talk of bringing democracy to Muslim nations is seen as "self-serving hypocrisy". It says if the US wants Muslims to move towards its understanding of tolerance, it must reassure them this does not mean submitting to "the American way". The report urges Washington to change its approach urgently. I just checked my facts--something the BBC seems to have failed to do again--and there is no such report by the DCB. Please verify here [^] Sorry to say, I've always thought of the BBC as a step above CBS and Dan Rather. Guess I was mistaken. :( Best, Jerry
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Anonymous Friend wrote: So do you think that the report and its finding are incorrect? Heck-ah-roony, the report is not only incorrect, it is a phantom. The mechnanization of some reporter's scotch-soaked mind. A flight of fancy. It is a sick attempt to incite misguided Muslim youth into stupid acts of violence that will only lead to the slow bleed off of the Muslim youth from the body Muslim politic. And look at you. You took the bait, didn't you? Didn't even check your facts because you don't truly understand who or what the heck is really going on. Best, Jerry
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Democracy Rules wrote: If you really want to be left alone do the following: Renounce all terrorist activity. Renounce the perceived feeling that its Mulim or dead (for the whole world) Make peace with Israel - they are not going to give in. Ever. Free your own people. Free your women. What, are you scared of them??? So "left alone" means you have to do what I say first? Here is a list of preconditions of being left alone for the Americans: Don't invade other countries for bogus reasons. Renounce the perceived feelings that if you are not with us you are terrorists. Treat all people equally, not just American citizens. Stop selling weapons all over the world. Avoid telling others what to do.
You want peace? Really? Then, yes, do what I say. It is sensible, moderate and doesn't require anyone to be like me or mine. And then maybe we won't need to invade your country so that you'll leave us alone. We don't go round flying planes into buildings or getting children to walk bombs into crowded restaurants. Okay, we may not be perfect (far from it) but at least I don't care that you're a muslim. Whereas you see to care deeply that I'm not.
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US 'alienating' world's Muslims The US is losing "the war of ideas" in the Islamic world, a Pentagon advisory panel has warned. A report by the Defence Science Board says official US talk of bringing democracy to Muslim nations is seen as "self-serving hypocrisy". It says if the US wants Muslims to move towards its understanding of tolerance, it must reassure them this does not mean submitting to "the American way". The report urges Washington to change its approach urgently. I wonder what Bush and neocons will derive off of this. Please post your thoughts
Anonymous Friend wrote: "the war of ideas" in the Islamic world :laugh::laugh: BW The Biggest Loser
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Trollslayer wrote: At least the Pentagon is looking at this. Oh, happy day. Say, have you picked out your burka yet? Better hurry before the rush.
Now you are just being pathetic. The tigress is here :-D
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It's a Pentagon advisory panel. The BBC is just reporting on their report. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
I don't want to sound like an idiot, and I am not attacking you but the source of this. Have you noticed the number of statements that come out of the Pentagon and the mainstream media in the past few years that have turned out to be self serving lies? I am exasperated at people who learn that something has been fixed for what-amounts-to-propaganda and then turn around and instantly forgive them, listening patiently to the next "big story". This has burned people both the left and the right. On the right we had Rathergate, showing that the media is at the very least extremely sloppy. On the left we have the granddaddy of all exaggeration / lies the Hunt for WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUUUUUUUUCTION, which the British and US Media mindlessly passed on to us. How long are you people going to put up this constant stream of repeated spin and incompetent reporting? We have an alternative now - the internet and word of mouth, the oldest and best form of media.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
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:laugh: - I am trying teach you something, anonymous coward. Apparently you are unsucessfully trying to teach me something too.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
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I don't want to sound like an idiot, and I am not attacking you but the source of this. Have you noticed the number of statements that come out of the Pentagon and the mainstream media in the past few years that have turned out to be self serving lies? I am exasperated at people who learn that something has been fixed for what-amounts-to-propaganda and then turn around and instantly forgive them, listening patiently to the next "big story". This has burned people both the left and the right. On the right we had Rathergate, showing that the media is at the very least extremely sloppy. On the left we have the granddaddy of all exaggeration / lies the Hunt for WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUUUUUUUUCTION, which the British and US Media mindlessly passed on to us. How long are you people going to put up this constant stream of repeated spin and incompetent reporting? We have an alternative now - the internet and word of mouth, the oldest and best form of media.
Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right. - Schopenhauer
Fair enough but don't go and say that it was a BBC report and so the British government is involved and trying to tell the public something. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Michael Dunn wrote: "except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU" Crikey! ain't life grand?
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And what is wrong with the American Way??? If it's so terrible why don't many of the people living in the muslim world give up Nike or Chevrolet or eating our food or taking our money. What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you happy living under the thumb of a brutal dictatorship? Being repressed and constantly told what to do, wear, think? If you really want to be left alone do the following: Renounce all terrorist activity. Renounce the perceived feeling that its Mulim or dead (for the whole world) Make peace with Israel - they are not going to give in. Ever. Free your own people. Free your women. What, are you scared of them??? Rant over. Don't feel any better, tho, just sadder...
And what is wrong with the American Way??? In a retrospect, there is nothing wrong. Things have gone seriously wrong because of US playing "wars" with countries thousands of times weaker and cannot defend. You talk of solutions. Here is solution, take your forces out Arab countries, STOP supporting corrupt regimes in Muslim countries (you supported and armed Saddam), leave Afghanistan, take your puppet regimes out, stop unconditional (criminal) support of israel. There. Thats the solution. Muslims dont hate you, just your deeds that are hurting Muslims day and night.
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You want peace? Really? Then, yes, do what I say. It is sensible, moderate and doesn't require anyone to be like me or mine. And then maybe we won't need to invade your country so that you'll leave us alone. We don't go round flying planes into buildings or getting children to walk bombs into crowded restaurants. Okay, we may not be perfect (far from it) but at least I don't care that you're a muslim. Whereas you see to care deeply that I'm not.
Okay, we may not be perfect (far from it) but at least I don't care that you're a muslim. Whereas you see to care deeply that I'm not. We dont. We *really* dont. Its your govt and its brain washing that has corrupted your minds and put you in a confrontation with Muslim world. We dont invade countries. You are blaming 9/11 on 1.2 billion Muslims. You are wrong. Its you who have invaded countries with any reasons. Just check this page.
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Anonymous Friend wrote: The US is losing "the war of ideas" in the Islamic world, a Pentagon advisory panel has warned. A report by the Defence Science Board says official US talk of bringing democracy to Muslim nations is seen as "self-serving hypocrisy". It says if the US wants Muslims to move towards its understanding of tolerance, it must reassure them this does not mean submitting to "the American way". The report urges Washington to change its approach urgently. I just checked my facts--something the BBC seems to have failed to do again--and there is no such report by the DCB. Please verify here [^] Sorry to say, I've always thought of the BBC as a step above CBS and Dan Rather. Guess I was mistaken. :( Best, Jerry
"Making money is art and working is art and good business is the best art of all."--Andy Warhol Toasty0.com
For the ignorant and people with IQ less than 10. US Fails to Explain Policies to Muslim World, Panel Says Panel condemns image US gives to Muslims Terror war seen hurting US in Muslim world
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on both sides, obviously.
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenAnd as if you've never displayed any arrogance. Oh wait, that's right let's not point the figure at ourselves. Jeremy Falcon
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As the resident "neocon" I am inclined to wonder if the Muslim world worrys about alienating me? I am further inclined to wonder about how the two cultures can avoid alienating one another. Islamic values appear to be diametrically opposed in virtually every possible way to western values. If someone is going to change to accomodate the other, frankly, I would prefer it be the Muslims. So, I suppose I can only answer by asking my own question: What is there about Islamic culture that I am supposed to respect, honor and wish to see continued into the future? And why am I supposed to care whether Muslims are alienated or not?
Stan you are a perfect example of whats written in first paragraph on this article. The United States is losing the war of ideas in the Islamic world, failing to elucidate its policies to Muslims wary of American intentions and "self-serving hypocrisy," a Pentagon advisory panel has found.
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And what is wrong with the American Way??? If it's so terrible why don't many of the people living in the muslim world give up Nike or Chevrolet or eating our food or taking our money. What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you happy living under the thumb of a brutal dictatorship? Being repressed and constantly told what to do, wear, think? If you really want to be left alone do the following: Renounce all terrorist activity. Renounce the perceived feeling that its Mulim or dead (for the whole world) Make peace with Israel - they are not going to give in. Ever. Free your own people. Free your women. What, are you scared of them??? Rant over. Don't feel any better, tho, just sadder...
Nice points, but why oh why are you worried about posting a message on a message board so much that you have to be anonymous? It's just a post. It's not like anyone is going to visit your home and beat the shit out of you. Jeremy Falcon
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And what is wrong with the American Way??? In a retrospect, there is nothing wrong. Things have gone seriously wrong because of US playing "wars" with countries thousands of times weaker and cannot defend. You talk of solutions. Here is solution, take your forces out Arab countries, STOP supporting corrupt regimes in Muslim countries (you supported and armed Saddam), leave Afghanistan, take your puppet regimes out, stop unconditional (criminal) support of israel. There. Thats the solution. Muslims dont hate you, just your deeds that are hurting Muslims day and night.
Anonymous Friend wrote: Things have gone seriously wrong because of US playing "wars" with countries thousands of times weaker and cannot defend. You talk of solutions. Here is solution, take your forces out Arab countries, STOP supporting corrupt regimes in Muslim countries (you supported and armed Saddam), leave Afghanistan, take your puppet regimes out, stop unconditional (criminal) support of israel. There. Thats the solution. Muslims dont hate you, just your deeds that are hurting Muslims day and night. Unfortunantly, none of that is true. Your silly medieval "civilization" is finally imploding upon itself and you are looking for people to blame - and the US is simply the biggest target. The dark age mentality of Islam has no place in the modern world and it is lashing out in its death throes. Anything the US does, or could do, will be interpreted by one looney Muslim faction or another as an attempt to "hurt Muslims". Even if we did every thing you just suggested. The truth is there is nothing we can do to stop what is coming out of the Islamic world. All we can really do is attempt to manage the inevitable collapse as it occurs.