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:confused:Anyone who passed the MCAD of microsoft? I am thinking of trying to get that certificate, anyone who has experience on this, please share your experience with me please. such as: 1.what books you used 2.is there any online exams I can take for preparation ... ... Any experience or suggestion will be highly appreciated. ! Dennis
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:confused:Anyone who passed the MCAD of microsoft? I am thinking of trying to get that certificate, anyone who has experience on this, please share your experience with me please. such as: 1.what books you used 2.is there any online exams I can take for preparation ... ... Any experience or suggestion will be highly appreciated. ! Dennis
Just asking for curiosity, Do these certifications really matter? At least the place where I am working, we will happily pick a graduate over a person having such certifications.
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Just asking for curiosity, Do these certifications really matter? At least the place where I am working, we will happily pick a graduate over a person having such certifications.
Stuck to Programming through an unbreakable bond :( My Articles
I would guess that differs from location to location. But extra papers in relation to your profession can never hurt neither. So it might not help you directly, but it would likely not hurt either. It is an extra selling point. Also the company could benefit something from it as well. --------------------------- 127.0.0.1 - Sweet 127.0.0.1
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:confused:Anyone who passed the MCAD of microsoft? I am thinking of trying to get that certificate, anyone who has experience on this, please share your experience with me please. such as: 1.what books you used 2.is there any online exams I can take for preparation ... ... Any experience or suggestion will be highly appreciated. ! Dennis
Just to make something clear, one of the previous posters said "We would take a graduate over someone with such qualifications..." or something like that. Well, i'm not a graduate, i don't have a degree of any kind and did not do any further education after my GCSE's. I am however MCAD qualified and have just landed myself my first fulltime development role in C#. I've spent the last 12 months learning C# from a SAMS book and from the MCAD books, i made a couple of programmes to show off my skills and went on a course for the MCAD exams. If i had not had my MCAD i probably would not have even been given an interview as i have no other formal qualifications. So OK, if you've got a degree then an MCAD might not be for you but it can't hurt, if you have no other formal qualifications then at least it's a recognised programming qualification that says you supposedly know what you are doing. I'm not ranting at the previous poster, i know it sounds that way ;P As for what to read, the ofical MCAD books are pretty good, they cover 80% of the topics properly although you may want to look into ADO.Net in more detail as you wil get at least 5-6 questions (out of 40) on ADO. If you can afford it then i would highly reccomend a couple of days on a course before each exam, they tend to take you through the key points of the exams right before you take them which makes everything fresh in your mind. As for practice exams, i can only reccomend Transcender exams. I tried a couple of different ones but Transcender are the closest to the real thing and they are supprisingly affordable. Hope that helps. Kev
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Just asking for curiosity, Do these certifications really matter? At least the place where I am working, we will happily pick a graduate over a person having such certifications.
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~(waitingforLongHorn) wrote: Do these certifications really matter? Sometimes... - When a company applies for a partnertship status with MS, there will be a required "exam count" for that company. - If you intend on delivering MOC (Microsoft Official Curricullum) courses, you are required to have the MCT status, which in turn has requirements on exams and certifications like MCAD etc. - For a Consulting company, I guess they might use it in marketing of their services. - Some potential employers prefer to hire people with these certification exams. Either as a meassure of knowledge, or for one of the before mentioned reasons.
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:confused:Anyone who passed the MCAD of microsoft? I am thinking of trying to get that certificate, anyone who has experience on this, please share your experience with me please. such as: 1.what books you used 2.is there any online exams I can take for preparation ... ... Any experience or suggestion will be highly appreciated. ! Dennis
I went on an MCAD course recently. I agree with most of what exhaulted said, though I haven't used Transcender so can't comment on those. I was intrigued as to how useful the training/exams would be. I have three degrees, and I'm in long-term employment, so I didn't "need" the certification. Having now been through them I do think they're worthwhile. They are an assurance to an employer that you have achieved a basic measurable knowledge of the relevant technology. They won't magically make you a "good" developer, or even an expert in the field they cover - you need much more experience for either of those - but they are a good primer. Pay particular attention to what exhaulted said about ADO.NET, which I don't think is directly covered in the MS course books but is important for every exam, and some targetted training (if it's a budgetary possibility) would help, but it should be possible to do OK without it. Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.
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Just asking for curiosity, Do these certifications really matter? At least the place where I am working, we will happily pick a graduate over a person having such certifications.
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I have found that having a cetification does not get you a job, but it might help to get you an interview. I have a BS, MS, MCSD and MCAD and will have a MCSD.Net by the end of the year. I see one problem with the certs is that alot of places do not know about them. They know about MCSE but not MCAD and MCSD's. So having it means nothing to them. One thing that having certs as well as a degree (or two) shows employers is that you are not afraid to keep learning. One thing to save abit of money tho is that Amazon has test vouchers for $106 instead of $125. I can find the item if you want a clickety. Steve Maier, MCSD MCAD
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Just asking for curiosity, Do these certifications really matter? At least the place where I am working, we will happily pick a graduate over a person having such certifications.
Stuck to Programming through an unbreakable bond :( My Articles
~(waitingforLongHorn) wrote: Just asking for curiosity, Do these certifications really matter? To some, yes. To others, no. That's like asking if it matters that your auto mechanic is ASE certified or not. ~(waitingforLongHorn) wrote: At least the place where I am working, we will happily pick a graduate over a person having such certifications. Hopefully not for that fact alone.
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Just to make something clear, one of the previous posters said "We would take a graduate over someone with such qualifications..." or something like that. Well, i'm not a graduate, i don't have a degree of any kind and did not do any further education after my GCSE's. I am however MCAD qualified and have just landed myself my first fulltime development role in C#. I've spent the last 12 months learning C# from a SAMS book and from the MCAD books, i made a couple of programmes to show off my skills and went on a course for the MCAD exams. If i had not had my MCAD i probably would not have even been given an interview as i have no other formal qualifications. So OK, if you've got a degree then an MCAD might not be for you but it can't hurt, if you have no other formal qualifications then at least it's a recognised programming qualification that says you supposedly know what you are doing. I'm not ranting at the previous poster, i know it sounds that way ;P As for what to read, the ofical MCAD books are pretty good, they cover 80% of the topics properly although you may want to look into ADO.Net in more detail as you wil get at least 5-6 questions (out of 40) on ADO. If you can afford it then i would highly reccomend a couple of days on a course before each exam, they tend to take you through the key points of the exams right before you take them which makes everything fresh in your mind. As for practice exams, i can only reccomend Transcender exams. I tried a couple of different ones but Transcender are the closest to the real thing and they are supprisingly affordable. Hope that helps. Kev
I have noticed that degrees are not given a lot of weight in the job market in the South West of the country, with even larger companies that stereotypically prefer graduates seeming to finally realise that there are a lot of unskilled graduates out there and that aptitude and experience is more valuable to them. Is this a country-wide thing? I always assumed it was localised because the South West isn't exactly the high-tech centre of the world (I think we still attract the lowest paid jobs in the contry to go with the highest cost of living), but I am definately interested in finding this out. Whenever I have spoken to head hunters they place more value on learning/using new spoken languages than degrees - which I guess shows an attitude to learn - so I wonder if degrees are moving more and more to being something needed only for an academic career in this industry?
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I have noticed that degrees are not given a lot of weight in the job market in the South West of the country, with even larger companies that stereotypically prefer graduates seeming to finally realise that there are a lot of unskilled graduates out there and that aptitude and experience is more valuable to them. Is this a country-wide thing? I always assumed it was localised because the South West isn't exactly the high-tech centre of the world (I think we still attract the lowest paid jobs in the contry to go with the highest cost of living), but I am definately interested in finding this out. Whenever I have spoken to head hunters they place more value on learning/using new spoken languages than degrees - which I guess shows an attitude to learn - so I wonder if degrees are moving more and more to being something needed only for an academic career in this industry?
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
I have found that companies always value experience over degrees or qualifications, if you haven't got the experience then some people will turn you down without giving you a proper chance. The problem is getting the experience in the first place:confused: Once they've accepted you for an interview however it all changes, the way you come across in the interview then becomes the most important thing. I'm quite lucky because i don't get overly nervous at interviews and come across well but it seems to be a stumbling block for a lot of people. Kev
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I have found that companies always value experience over degrees or qualifications, if you haven't got the experience then some people will turn you down without giving you a proper chance. The problem is getting the experience in the first place:confused: Once they've accepted you for an interview however it all changes, the way you come across in the interview then becomes the most important thing. I'm quite lucky because i don't get overly nervous at interviews and come across well but it seems to be a stumbling block for a lot of people. Kev
You seem to be surfing CodeProject at seven am! Now that is dedication. :) exhaulted wrote: The problem is getting the experience in the first place The good old catch-22! Thankfully in this industry it is possible to gain experience off your own back; you can learn languages, you can take on consultancy or contract work, etc. IMO that shows a better attitude to potential employers than people who's only experience is work-gained. It is possible to be over experienced though, I usually cut things from my CV when I approach companies for work; smaller firms especially get nervous bringing someone in who runs other companies - they think you'll take them over or steal work. :suss: exhaulted wrote: I'm quite lucky because i don't get overly nervous at interviews and come across well but it seems to be a stumbling block for a lot of people. I always thought I would be nervous at job interviews, until my first interview, when if anything I was a little more arrogant than usual. I guess, again, having consultancy experience meant that it wasn't really any different to going in and telling the firm what I would be doing for it for anyway. I've been very lucky to date I feel - I have got every job and gig I have ever interviewed for. * dave grabs a chunk of wood * The way I see it, you are there to help the company not the other way round so it is them that should to be nervous. Out of interest, which part of the country are you in?
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion