Article Ratings....
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How is it people come along and brand an article as poor contrary to other opinions without even leaving comment as to why the article is so dreadful and thus giving the author oportunity to reslove or understand the issue. For example, today i posted my second article, it took me quite a while to put together, and although not that technical (flagged as beginner) i thought it a reasonable topic that had not been covered on this site in the language i addressed it. Within 10 minutes it had had a couple of 5 ratings, for which i was chuffed, now i have a look and it has obviously been given a 1 as a third rating. I am not saying it does not necessarily deserve this rating because of some error, but i do feel an explanation should be given for the rating. Any thoughts? Tom
I agree with you. I would be nice to see why someone thought the article to be not helpful or whatever. This way you can explain yourself or maybe you glanced over something. What is the article that you wrote?
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
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How is it people come along and brand an article as poor contrary to other opinions without even leaving comment as to why the article is so dreadful and thus giving the author oportunity to reslove or understand the issue. For example, today i posted my second article, it took me quite a while to put together, and although not that technical (flagged as beginner) i thought it a reasonable topic that had not been covered on this site in the language i addressed it. Within 10 minutes it had had a couple of 5 ratings, for which i was chuffed, now i have a look and it has obviously been given a 1 as a third rating. I am not saying it does not necessarily deserve this rating because of some error, but i do feel an explanation should be given for the rating. Any thoughts? Tom
It it is this[^] one, I'd suggest a reformat of some of your code. It is causing the article text to be very wide and you have to horizontally scroll through each line in order to read the article. But I agree, those that rate an article as a 1 should leave some comments as to why they rated an article so. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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How is it people come along and brand an article as poor contrary to other opinions without even leaving comment as to why the article is so dreadful and thus giving the author oportunity to reslove or understand the issue. For example, today i posted my second article, it took me quite a while to put together, and although not that technical (flagged as beginner) i thought it a reasonable topic that had not been covered on this site in the language i addressed it. Within 10 minutes it had had a couple of 5 ratings, for which i was chuffed, now i have a look and it has obviously been given a 1 as a third rating. I am not saying it does not necessarily deserve this rating because of some error, but i do feel an explanation should be given for the rating. Any thoughts? Tom
I have long advocated that a user must leave a comment or some such whenever they vote on an article.
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It it is this[^] one, I'd suggest a reformat of some of your code. It is causing the article text to be very wide and you have to horizontally scroll through each line in order to read the article. But I agree, those that rate an article as a 1 should leave some comments as to why they rated an article so. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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I have long advocated that a user must leave a comment or some such whenever they vote on an article.
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I agree with you. I would be nice to see why someone thought the article to be not helpful or whatever. This way you can explain yourself or maybe you glanced over something. What is the article that you wrote?
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
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> I have long advocated that a user must leave a comment or some such whenever they > vote on an article. You'd only end up with comments saying "aklsjdfkljaskldj".
Daniel Desormeaux wrote: You'd only end up with comments saying "aklsjdfkljaskldj". Ahh! "Aklsjdfkljaskldj," that's what's wrong with it! ;) Jon
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> I have long advocated that a user must leave a comment or some such whenever they > vote on an article. You'd only end up with comments saying "aklsjdfkljaskldj".
While that is true, I think some Bayesian filtering can be applied to the comments to ensure that they are worth while. Those that fail the filter do not get their vote recorded. Another point to consider too, is what do you do about the votes/comments that an author chooses to ignore? Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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I agree with you. I would be nice to see why someone thought the article to be not helpful or whatever. This way you can explain yourself or maybe you glanced over something. What is the article that you wrote?
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
BrockVnm wrote: We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code. That got my "5". As to the scores, the article's author's name may be a better predictor of the rating he'll receive over his content. Another thing that helps is a pretty picture. I would like to see an article's download stats in addition to views. That would show that the author words at least caught the reader's attention. Readers voting an article as a "1" or "2", should not be able to do so anonymously; they should not allowed to hide, and at the same time discouraging others from contributing. Finally, all "1" votes should be audited, and if a reader develops a pattern of dinging too many articles for no reason, CP should adjust all of his future votes to "4"s, without his knowledge; his vote should be meaningless. The scale is already skewed because I'm seen a score of 4.85 with only two votes. How is that possible. A "5" for any thoughts.
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How is it people come along and brand an article as poor contrary to other opinions without even leaving comment as to why the article is so dreadful and thus giving the author oportunity to reslove or understand the issue. For example, today i posted my second article, it took me quite a while to put together, and although not that technical (flagged as beginner) i thought it a reasonable topic that had not been covered on this site in the language i addressed it. Within 10 minutes it had had a couple of 5 ratings, for which i was chuffed, now i have a look and it has obviously been given a 1 as a third rating. I am not saying it does not necessarily deserve this rating because of some error, but i do feel an explanation should be given for the rating. Any thoughts? Tom
Ratings are crap. I said as much when they were introduced. Some people will give you a 1 for no intelligable reason, I just wouldn't worry about it. In my experience, the articles that are most genuinely helpful get voted down, and the ones that have pretty pictures get voted up. So what ? If someone says you helped them, be happy. If someone says your article needs work, listen. If someone abuses you and says you suck, be content that people like that are not worth bothering about. And don't worry at all about people who only take time to click on a number, no matter which one it is. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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How is it people come along and brand an article as poor contrary to other opinions without even leaving comment as to why the article is so dreadful and thus giving the author oportunity to reslove or understand the issue. For example, today i posted my second article, it took me quite a while to put together, and although not that technical (flagged as beginner) i thought it a reasonable topic that had not been covered on this site in the language i addressed it. Within 10 minutes it had had a couple of 5 ratings, for which i was chuffed, now i have a look and it has obviously been given a 1 as a third rating. I am not saying it does not necessarily deserve this rating because of some error, but i do feel an explanation should be given for the rating. Any thoughts? Tom
Maybe it was because the article is VB :) Just kidding.. We have those that just vote a 1 on all kinds of things just because. Do not take ratings to heart in articles or the forums. I think of them more for their entertainment value ;) Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com - RSS Enabled www.JokesTricksAndStuff.com www.MyQuickPoll.com Me Blogs: wdevs - MSN Spaces (new)
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> I have long advocated that a user must leave a comment or some such whenever they > vote on an article. You'd only end up with comments saying "aklsjdfkljaskldj".
But the user name would be alongside "aklsjdfkljaskldj" and so the user can be followed up. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
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BrockVnm wrote: We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code. That got my "5". As to the scores, the article's author's name may be a better predictor of the rating he'll receive over his content. Another thing that helps is a pretty picture. I would like to see an article's download stats in addition to views. That would show that the author words at least caught the reader's attention. Readers voting an article as a "1" or "2", should not be able to do so anonymously; they should not allowed to hide, and at the same time discouraging others from contributing. Finally, all "1" votes should be audited, and if a reader develops a pattern of dinging too many articles for no reason, CP should adjust all of his future votes to "4"s, without his knowledge; his vote should be meaningless. The scale is already skewed because I'm seen a score of 4.85 with only two votes. How is that possible. A "5" for any thoughts.
Willie Lassiter wrote: The scale is already skewed because I'm seen a score of 4.85 with only two votes. I recall reading somewhere once in the lounge that the rating system uses a weighing technique, whereby an member whom has lots of "cred" carries more weight when he votes. Don't quote me on it anything...this is just speculation. It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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It it is this[^] one, I'd suggest a reformat of some of your code. It is causing the article text to be very wide and you have to horizontally scroll through each line in order to read the article. But I agree, those that rate an article as a 1 should leave some comments as to why they rated an article so. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
Chris Meech wrote: I'd suggest a reformat of some of your code. It is causing the article text to be very wide and you have to horizontally scroll through each line in order to read the article. Had I voted for his article that alone would have caused me to consider a 3...I absolutely hate that! :mad: It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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Ratings are crap. I said as much when they were introduced. Some people will give you a 1 for no intelligable reason, I just wouldn't worry about it. In my experience, the articles that are most genuinely helpful get voted down, and the ones that have pretty pictures get voted up. So what ? If someone says you helped them, be happy. If someone says your article needs work, listen. If someone abuses you and says you suck, be content that people like that are not worth bothering about. And don't worry at all about people who only take time to click on a number, no matter which one it is. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: In my experience, the articles that are most genuinely helpful get voted down, and the ones that have pretty pictures get voted up. I would have to disagree. I personally find, especially on sourceforge.net projects which pretty GUI and pics usually are far superior when compared to similar projects/articles. Same goes with codeproject. Sure there are some exceptions (Mike Dunn...his articles are not the prettiest, pictures anyway, but his articles are solid 5's) The way I see it, if a author(s) has put the effort into making the article easy to read, formatting, pics, spelling, etc...chances are quality of code and docs are good as well...if the formatting has crazy HScrolling and half of it is bold because the author forgot to close a tag somewhere...these are signs of laziness and usually reflect poor code quality. It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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How is it people come along and brand an article as poor contrary to other opinions without even leaving comment as to why the article is so dreadful and thus giving the author oportunity to reslove or understand the issue. For example, today i posted my second article, it took me quite a while to put together, and although not that technical (flagged as beginner) i thought it a reasonable topic that had not been covered on this site in the language i addressed it. Within 10 minutes it had had a couple of 5 ratings, for which i was chuffed, now i have a look and it has obviously been given a 1 as a third rating. I am not saying it does not necessarily deserve this rating because of some error, but i do feel an explanation should be given for the rating. Any thoughts? Tom
When I vote I consider the following: * No particular order 1) Article content - Spelling, tech accuracy, etc 2) Source code quality - is the code reusable, readable, etc... 3) Install and integration - how difficult was it to install 4) Article aesthetics - Are the pictures cropped, do they tell the whole story quickly, does the article hilite important functions, list the API, is it formatted so I don't have to scroll horizontally, etc... 5) Can I quickly check out what it does via a executable, so I don't have to build. Although I'm biased becuz I never upload any compiled exe's, cuz I don't have a full version (I have a Learning edition). The most important factor probably is timing...if you upload an article that addresses something I am currently doing...and it's all of the above BAM you got my 10. I'll sign in under a seperate email and vote twice. I'm just kidding about that last part...I only ever sign in as me... ;P I looked at your article...you need a small pic, properly cropped, that'll be good sir. There is a general bias against VB code though...so that very well might have counted against you right off the hop. I personally can't verify the technical accuracy of your article, i'm no longer a VB'er, but the rest of article seems legit. I'll give you a 5 to only offset the unjustified low rating you have recieved... It was unfare of anyone to give you a 1 or 2. I must admit I have given one's to articles, but only when they are sooooo useless, that I get pissed off for wasting my time waiting for the article to load. Anyways, these are just my opinions...nothing more. :) p.s-You gotta watch what you say in the forums too...if you offend someone the might just vote your articles down. :) I think that happened to me...guess I better watch what I say more carefully. Cheers :) It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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Christian Graus wrote: In my experience, the articles that are most genuinely helpful get voted down, and the ones that have pretty pictures get voted up. I would have to disagree. I personally find, especially on sourceforge.net projects which pretty GUI and pics usually are far superior when compared to similar projects/articles. Same goes with codeproject. Sure there are some exceptions (Mike Dunn...his articles are not the prettiest, pictures anyway, but his articles are solid 5's) The way I see it, if a author(s) has put the effort into making the article easy to read, formatting, pics, spelling, etc...chances are quality of code and docs are good as well...if the formatting has crazy HScrolling and half of it is bold because the author forgot to close a tag somewhere...these are signs of laziness and usually reflect poor code quality. It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
No, you missed my point. I was saying a lot of people vote on eye candy, or lack thereof, not on article quality overall. For example, every C++ programmer should know the stuff I wrote in my iostreams articles. They were voted low. Very few will use the stuff in my image processing articles, but they get *more* high votes. Probably because the subject is cooler, certainly more interesting. But in terms of day to day use, the iostreams articles cover stuff of more value IMO. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Ratings are crap. I said as much when they were introduced. Some people will give you a 1 for no intelligable reason, I just wouldn't worry about it. In my experience, the articles that are most genuinely helpful get voted down, and the ones that have pretty pictures get voted up. So what ? If someone says you helped them, be happy. If someone says your article needs work, listen. If someone abuses you and says you suck, be content that people like that are not worth bothering about. And don't worry at all about people who only take time to click on a number, no matter which one it is. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: Ratings are crap. I agree to a point. I review the ratings and reviews on Amazon all of the time. I tend to ignore the good ones, because some people like to blow themselves their own horns, and others are obvious ads in disguise. More times than not, though, if I try and be open-minded and ignore a few bad reviews, buying a book anyway, I later regret it, feeling like I should have listened. Christian Graus wrote: If someone abuses you and says you suck, be content that people like that are not worth bothering about. I'm sorry; I know it's just me, but I'd prefer a silent '1' vote. Because if you give me a '1' and say something stupid as well, trying to support it, you're adding insult to injury, and the gloves come off the keys. Some of the comments I've read are much more abusive than the low ratings. A few low ratings can be offset by popular opinion, but you have to defend yourself, either that or stop writing. I take a low rating over a peer smear review any day.
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Christian Graus wrote: Ratings are crap. I agree to a point. I review the ratings and reviews on Amazon all of the time. I tend to ignore the good ones, because some people like to blow themselves their own horns, and others are obvious ads in disguise. More times than not, though, if I try and be open-minded and ignore a few bad reviews, buying a book anyway, I later regret it, feeling like I should have listened. Christian Graus wrote: If someone abuses you and says you suck, be content that people like that are not worth bothering about. I'm sorry; I know it's just me, but I'd prefer a silent '1' vote. Because if you give me a '1' and say something stupid as well, trying to support it, you're adding insult to injury, and the gloves come off the keys. Some of the comments I've read are much more abusive than the low ratings. A few low ratings can be offset by popular opinion, but you have to defend yourself, either that or stop writing. I take a low rating over a peer smear review any day.
Willie Lassiter wrote: but you have to defend yourself, either that or stop writing. I probably agree with you in action, but in principle, I'd like to think that some people confirm their own stupidity by their posts, and replying only validates them. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Willie Lassiter wrote: but you have to defend yourself, either that or stop writing. I probably agree with you in action, but in principle, I'd like to think that some people confirm their own stupidity by their posts, and replying only validates them. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: like to think that some people confirm their own stupidity by their posts That's very true, and you're actually quite right. replying only validates them I don't think stupidy can be validated; merely acknowledged and given more attention than it's due.