Firefox Conclusion
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
Nah! You're just jealous of XUL ;P Yes, even I am blogging now!
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
Marc Clifton wrote: If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins :laugh:, I guess the browse functionality is also an extension then! ;P Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
I'm coloured, yet clear.
I'm fruity and sweet.
I'm jelly, what am I? Muse on it further, I shall return! - David Walliams (Little Britain) -
Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
Isn't that great? You have choice. Some of us choose FireFox, others choose Avant, yet others choose plain IE or Safari. It's nothing to get worked up over. It is just choice. >Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I seem to remember FireFox had this functionality built-in but I can't find it anymore. I guess they have moved it out to an extension. IMO it is not something I would choose to enable. But you do and I assume your choice, Avant, covers this option and isn't that great? regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
> Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I > can't find that feature either. Opera has that. :cool: ...though Opera isn't as extensible as FF and its support for CP is FAR worse then FF's. :( Vikram.
http://www.geocities.com/vpunathambekar "Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours." – Richard Bach, "Illusions".
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
Marc Clifton wrote: So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now Avant RULES!
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall." George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things." Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the asshole constant will be an integral part of that theory.
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
Marc Clifton wrote: I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Avant is the BEST!:cool:
This demographic will quite happily click on shiny things however:laugh:
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
You can bookmark an entire set of tabs as a folder in your bookmarks. You can open any bookmark folder as tabs by right clicking and selecting "Open in tabs". You can also have a set of tabs as your "homepage". The beauty of extensions is you can have as few as you actually need, i only have 2 installed - 'Plain Text Links' which enables me to easily open any selected text as a link and 'Dictionary Search' which will search dictionary.com for any selected text. If you want more bloat in your browser it's up to you. I don't care if it's more or less secure than ie, it's just a browser. I'm an it geek, i've got anti virus software and firewalls coming out my ears, my pcs are backed up nightly and ghosted anytime anything of note is installed. If i'm stupid enough to download something dodgy then so be it. I like it, that's my opinion and i'm entitled to it. You don't like it, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams.
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
I'm using Avant right now and I must say it seems fast but didn't seem to load Codeproject any faster. ;( Unfortunatly Avant has a bad case of featuritus. My parents would be back in IE in seconds after looking at all of those buttons. So Firefox it is for me (even though I secretly love Microsoft...shhhhh). I do love having multiple choices though: 1) IE for that old-school charm 2) Firefox for when I want to increase security and usability for the average person with the option to extend the feature set. 3) Avant when I want every feature under the sun right in front of me which I can clean up by digging though menus. So can't we all just stop evangelizing and get along? > 3. The community is very polarized. Community or fractured geek user group?
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
'Middle' button? Have you tried clicking on the scroll wheel?
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." - Neils Bohr
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'Middle' button? Have you tried clicking on the scroll wheel?
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." - Neils Bohr
I have a mouse with two buttons and no wheel... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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I have a mouse with two buttons and no wheel... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
There are other ways, but if there was only one browser wouldn't life be boring? From the manual. Creating and Loading Tabs To load a link in a tab, you can do one of the following: * Middle-click the link. (If you have a mouse wheel, clicking the wheel is equivalent to middle-clicking.) * Drag the link and drop it on an empty space in the Tab Bar. (If only one web page is open, the Tab Bar may be hidden. See Customizing Tabbed Browsing for information on how to change this.) * Drag and drop the link onto a tab to open the link in that tab. * Right-clickPress Ctrl, click on the link and choose Open Link in New Tab from the context menu.
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." - Neils Bohr
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
not sure how it compares after all the plugins are there... I do agree with those who say that choice is good. It doesn't really matter as much what your preference is, it matters that we have choice to select those that closely match what our needs are. I cannot use firefox at work, so I use maxthon (IE engine), but at home I have Firefox and submit suggestions and bugfixes to help improve it. A little bit for everyone. I wish I had time to learn how to program my own extensions, I think that would be fun truly customizing it to your liking. I also find myself becoming more specialized over time, so I am glad I have the choice to grab something, try it out, and find out what fits me best. Hope Avant works better for you! Just me, Jeff _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
I used Avant for years but firefox made me switch. Why? Because if you've ever done any web design work you would know that IE is shockingly bad at rendering HTML. Firefox isn't perfect but it's much more 'Internet Friendly' than IE. And if it doesn't do what I need it to, someone will have written an extension to do what I need. And if they haven't, I'll write one myself. Also, the tone of your posts comes across as confrontational and superior which is not what Codeproject is about. I'm glad you enjoy using Avant, but don't feel that you are better than the rest of us for doing so. Cheers James
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I have a mouse with two buttons and no wheel... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
I agree with you on the extensions bit, i use just plain old IE and the only "extensions" I use are flash (gotta have the SB email right?) and Google toolbar (for the obvious reasons). And as for FF extensions there isn't a single additional feature that I either don't want/need or don't already have (You can call me old fashion but I don't need or want tabbed browsing). I also have to say that IE has been almost silently improving. I have found that with all updates (especially sp2) removing the most stubborn spyware that gets embedded in IE (something that previously took me ~12 hours to get rid of) now only takes me a few seconds to disable and at most a couple minutes to remove. Matt Newman
Even the very best tools in the hands of an idiot will produce something of little or no value. - Chris Meech on Idiots
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
hmmm I must be weird then, as I use FireFox as is. I think it is great, has tabs (i perfer it to multiple windows). It appears to load the sites quicker, ok so some of them are a bit mucked up but that is normally due to MS sites giving out flakey HTML code , I would go as far to say they all talk MSHTML, not HTML or XHTML. So what are these plug-ins that are a 'must have' for FireFox then?
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Wow, that was fun! We certainly seem to have a polarized community. Well, I learned several things from reading all your posts: 1. If I want Firefox to be useful, I have to load a bunch (20 or so?) plug-ins. It was said that Firefox isn't as bloated as IE. Ah, right. So what is it after loading 20 extensions? Not bloated? 2. That to get the "click on ^" opens a new tab, I either need to download the daily build since it isn't in the standard download, or click the middle mouse button (which I don't have) or right click and select "open in new tab, or hold down the CTRL key. Either way, additional keystrokes/mouse gestures that I don't want, or I'm using a version that isn't the official release. 3. The community is very polarized. Security seems to be the only ground on which to launch a reasonable argument. I'm not sure it's very solid ground. So, in conclusion, extensibility is great, and I understand the allure of making a lightweight browser and putting all the features that make it actually usable into extensions that you have to individually pick and choose from, download, and figure out if it's what you really want. It's attractive to the geek in all of us. I've got better things to do, though. Along those lines, the idea that "open a new window in a new tab" isn't an option in the standard download indicates the immaturity of the product. Or, how about a "don't lose tabs when exiting"? I can't find that feature either. What's the point of tabs if you can't automatically open them the next morning. Oh wait. I bet that's an extension. :rolleyes: It seems like people are happy to sacrifice functionality for the anti-Microsoft attitude. So, that's my thoughts on the matter. I'm off to downloading the latest version of Avant now. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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I agree with you on the extensions bit, i use just plain old IE and the only "extensions" I use are flash (gotta have the SB email right?) and Google toolbar (for the obvious reasons). And as for FF extensions there isn't a single additional feature that I either don't want/need or don't already have (You can call me old fashion but I don't need or want tabbed browsing). I also have to say that IE has been almost silently improving. I have found that with all updates (especially sp2) removing the most stubborn spyware that gets embedded in IE (something that previously took me ~12 hours to get rid of) now only takes me a few seconds to disable and at most a couple minutes to remove. Matt Newman
Even the very best tools in the hands of an idiot will produce something of little or no value. - Chris Meech on Idiots
Just a thought; Spyware shouldn't be getting onto your machine in the first place. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project
