The criticism starts already
-
The point, I think, is that when nation's are still assessing what they can contribute, nobody should be calling anyone stingy. If, after all contributions are in and not enough has been raised to help out, put together estimates on what is not being covered and petition for more money. But never tell people they aren't forking out enough cash. BW
"Get up and open your eyes. Don't let yourself ever fall down.
Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
Today"
-Days of the New -
Jeremy Falcon wrote: How many rich, western nations do you know of that celebrate Christmas? what is your definition of "western" ? the commonly-used one includes everything from the US side of the Pacific to the eastern border of Russia : ie. Europe and the Americas (and countries descended from Europe - Australia, NZ, etc). it's more a cultural term, and not a geographical one, when talking about politics and money, especially when comparing to the poorer eastern countries, like the ones that got hit by this disaster. Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose?
``We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich countries,'' Egeland said. ``And it is beyond me, why are [note plural verb form] we so stingy, really ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have [note plural verb form] become.''
i don't see where he's talking about one country. maybe your mind-reading skills are more advanced than mine. Jeremy Falcon wrote: maybe this guy did specifically state the US, and it just wasn't quoted yeah, maybe. though you'd think that would be a really good quote to use in a story that claims he was specifically talking about the US. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: the commonly-used one includes everything from the US side of the Pacific to the eastern border of Russia That's news to me. Well, I was under the impression that "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. Chris Losinger wrote: i don't see where he's talking about one country. What is Egeland's nationality? That could be a clue. I sometimes refer to the US as "we" because I am a part of it after all. Chris Losinger wrote: maybe your mind-reading skills are more advanced than mine. I knew you were going to say that. :P (That was a joke btw.) Chris Losinger wrote: yeah, maybe. though you'd think that would be a really good quote to use in a story that claims he was specifically talking about the US. LOL! You have a good point there. Jeremy Falcon
-
Chris Losinger wrote: the commonly-used one includes everything from the US side of the Pacific to the eastern border of Russia That's news to me. Well, I was under the impression that "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. Chris Losinger wrote: i don't see where he's talking about one country. What is Egeland's nationality? That could be a clue. I sometimes refer to the US as "we" because I am a part of it after all. Chris Losinger wrote: maybe your mind-reading skills are more advanced than mine. I knew you were going to say that. :P (That was a joke btw.) Chris Losinger wrote: yeah, maybe. though you'd think that would be a really good quote to use in a story that claims he was specifically talking about the US. LOL! You have a good point there. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: That's news to me. western:[^]
1 a : coming from the west b : lying toward the west 2 capitalized : of, relating to, or characteristic of a region conventionally designated West: as a : steeped in or stemming from the Greco-Roman traditions b : of or relating to the noncommunist countries of Europe and America c : of or relating to the American West 3 capitalized : of or relating to the Roman Catholic or Protestant segment of Christianity
The West[^] Jeremy Falcon wrote: What is Egeland's nationality? he's from Norway Software | Cleek
-
that article doesn't actually say that this one UN worker singled-out the US as being "stingy". from the text given, it sounds more like this person was saying all western nations are "stingy". How many rich, western nations do you know of that celebrate Christmas? Do you know of any that meet all three besides the US or maybe Canada? If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose? On top of that, maybe this guy did specifically state the US, and it just wasn't quoted. I mean, Powell had to react to something. [edit] Wow, I'm getting voted down for simple conversation too. I must be getting better. :) [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose? Surely the question is which would you choose? Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. :| I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that...
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
-
Jeremy Falcon wrote: That's news to me. western:[^]
1 a : coming from the west b : lying toward the west 2 capitalized : of, relating to, or characteristic of a region conventionally designated West: as a : steeped in or stemming from the Greco-Roman traditions b : of or relating to the noncommunist countries of Europe and America c : of or relating to the American West 3 capitalized : of or relating to the Roman Catholic or Protestant segment of Christianity
The West[^] Jeremy Falcon wrote: What is Egeland's nationality? he's from Norway Software | Cleek
western:[^] I didn't disagree with you, so why must you press the point? Are you not correct often enough that you feel the need to relish in the few times that you are? he's from Norway And, here I was thinking Egeland was from England. Darn! (BTW, that was another joke.) Jeremy Falcon
-
western:[^] I didn't disagree with you, so why must you press the point? Are you not correct often enough that you feel the need to relish in the few times that you are? he's from Norway And, here I was thinking Egeland was from England. Darn! (BTW, that was another joke.) Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I didn't disagree with you, so why must you press the point? Jeremy Falcon wrote: I was under the impression that "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. :confused:
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
-
western:[^] I didn't disagree with you, so why must you press the point? Are you not correct often enough that you feel the need to relish in the few times that you are? he's from Norway And, here I was thinking Egeland was from England. Darn! (BTW, that was another joke.) Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: so why must you press the point? not pressing the point, i was backing up my statement with citations. sounded like you didn't believe me (what a shock that would be) Jeremy Falcon wrote: Are you not correct often enough that you feel the need to relish in the few times that you are? ? what the fuck is wrong with you ? Software | Cleek
-
that article doesn't actually say that this one UN worker singled-out the US as being "stingy". from the quotes given, it sounds more like this person was saying all western nations are "stingy". maybe some other remarks singled-out the US... but they aren't in this article. and, in the NYT's[^] piece on this, they say:
Today, Mr. Egeland said his remarks had been misinterpreted, that he was not referring to any particular country, and that the initial American contribution "is one of the most generous pledges so far."
and, if you want to put things in perspective ... W's inauguration festival[^] is expected to cost, without security, 30 to 40 million dollars. so, we can do more, easily; and from what Powell said, we plan to. so, good for us. Software | Cleek
Being a UN official maybe the guy could speak to Kofi Annan and some of the other UN micreants who embezzled money from the Oil for Food program and pass a few bucks to these poor folks....... Just a thought <edit> In all fairness after looking at this site though, Norway where this guy is from does seem to contribute what seems to be generously based on their population. http://www.norway-un.org/NorwayandtheUN/NorwegianContributions/Norwegian+contributions+to+the+UN.htm[^] </edit> Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
-
Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose? Surely the question is which would you choose? Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. :| I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that...
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
David Wulff wrote: I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. Actually, I never thought people bicker about the US all the time until after visiting CP. David Wulff wrote: This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that... Being wrong on the definition of "western" doesn't automatically mean I and/or others are wrong on other accounts. Furthermore, at least I can admit when I am wrong. I can't say the same for many on CP. It's how we educate ourselves, and because I can do so, that allows me to have a greater understanding. This whole simple "western" miscommuncation is a prefect example of just that. Jeremy Falcon
-
Jeremy Falcon wrote: so why must you press the point? not pressing the point, i was backing up my statement with citations. sounded like you didn't believe me (what a shock that would be) Jeremy Falcon wrote: Are you not correct often enough that you feel the need to relish in the few times that you are? ? what the fuck is wrong with you ? Software | Cleek
sounded like you didn't believe me (what a shock that would be) At least you're cordial as always. And, I do't believe you most of the time somply because you don't often state something worth believing. ? what the f*** is wrong with you ? It's called speculation. Jeremy Falcon
-
Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose? Surely the question is which would you choose? Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. :| I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that...
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. BTW, that's an assumption. Jeremy Falcon
-
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I didn't disagree with you, so why must you press the point? Jeremy Falcon wrote: I was under the impression that "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. :confused:
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
I meant before I was told otherwise I was under the impression of "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. Jeremy Falcon
-
sounded like you didn't believe me (what a shock that would be) At least you're cordial as always. And, I do't believe you most of the time somply because you don't often state something worth believing. ? what the f*** is wrong with you ? It's called speculation. Jeremy Falcon
-
That's the winner's attitude I like to see in people! Jeremy Falcon
-
David Wulff wrote: I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. Actually, I never thought people bicker about the US all the time until after visiting CP. David Wulff wrote: This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that... Being wrong on the definition of "western" doesn't automatically mean I and/or others are wrong on other accounts. Furthermore, at least I can admit when I am wrong. I can't say the same for many on CP. It's how we educate ourselves, and because I can do so, that allows me to have a greater understanding. This whole simple "western" miscommuncation is a prefect example of just that. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Actually, I never thought people bicker about the US all the time until after visiting CP. Most people don't. Look who starts the bickering every time, and perhaps most importantly who says what each time. I come in on these conversations because I am a fool - I hate to see things twisted so badly without the other side being heard (whether that is good, bad or indifferent). Other people seem to come in to counter a secret agenda that just doesn't exist. Watch these threads as they jump from red to grey and then usually back to blue again - the time of day and the content that is voted should give you a reasonable idea of which groups of people, by continent, believe which things. I think you'll be surprised - there are probably a dozen people that actually do any voting. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Being wrong on the definition of "western" doesn't automatically mean I and/or others are wrong on other accounts. I made no mention of your definition of "western" - simply that you believe everything is the US's fault in other people's eyes. That simply isn't the case, but it does make it very hard to approach any problem anywhere else in the world without certain groups of people twisting it into anti-anti-US rhetoric. Believe it or not, sometimes when someone says something they mean just what they say: there are no hidden inferences or secret slogans. :sigh:
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
-
Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. BTW, that's an assumption. Jeremy Falcon
It was very clear what you were inferring with your rhetorical question. There is no need to assume anything.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
-
I meant before I was told otherwise I was under the impression of "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. Jeremy Falcon
Ok. I was taught the continents of North and South America are referred to as the Americas, and the Western World refers to any country that isn't poor and/or communist. I assumed these were dictionary definitions, I didn't realise they were open for interpretation.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
-
Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose? Surely the question is which would you choose? Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. :| I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that...
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
David Wulff wrote: ...the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives... I've been told on many occassions here in the CP Soapbox by non-Americans (including Brits, Aussies and a certain South African) that the US and the POTUS have a significant affect on their daily lives. I tend to agree with you. I hope you'll jump in and set them straight the next time it arises. ;) [EDIT] Score: 1.0 (1 vote). It's stupid shit like this that makes me wonder why I even bother. :mad: Whomever voted this a one... be an adult and post a reply!!! [/EDIT] "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
-
It was very clear what you were inferring with your rhetorical question. There is no need to assume anything.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
It was an assumption. I wanted to know what Chris's gut feeling would've been. If I tought otherwise I would've addressed the question to the entire world rather than Chris. Really, it is an assumption on your part that I did. Jeremy Falcon
-
It was an assumption. I wanted to know what Chris's gut feeling would've been. If I tought otherwise I would've addressed the question to the entire world rather than Chris. Really, it is an assumption on your part that I did. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I wanted to know what Chris's gut feeling would've been You need to answer your question then else it remains rhetorical. My 2 cent definition of the day: " a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply "
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion